I was never on the long list of fans saying how brilliant Vieira is or was, just trying to understand why you rate him above Saiz and Forshaw. At least we can agree on Pablo.

Shaun - think most fans saw Viera's potential but also stated he was young and very raw.

Also seem to remember him being immense in the 1-0 win over Derby last season - think it put us up to 3rd.

The word immense and a couple of other midfielders are mutually exclusive in my opinion.

I think any raw player with potential has to improve year after year, he hasn't done that.
You're right about the Derby game though, but at no point last year did I think he was having a great season - I saved that praise for the back 5 and Wood, possibly Pablo too.

Agree back 5 was something else last year - and Wood

Seems so much longer ago now than just last season!

Forshaw is a cast off and an expensive one. Heck is a dud and an expensive one. We've paid for chyte.

I agree with Shaun here. Forshaw looks ok to me. Not a world beater but better than what we have - no i dont include Saiz or Hernandez in that as they are AM not CM.

The whole team looks bereft of ideas with low morale and enthusiasm. They dont look like they want to play Heck thats for sure.