To be fair our side was crap lol.
we got a grip on the game and dominated the second half and extra time.
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You obviously didn't watch the game. You were much better in the second half, but you did not dominate Extra Time.
United really should have buried that game in the first half.
1999: once we got into our stride domestically and with Utd extremely occupied with Europe, I thought we were going to be the first team to complete back to back doubles. Roy Keane’s ludicrously disallowed goal in the FA cup semi final convinced me further still that the gods were shining on us. Then came that replay and all that happened there: Keane sent off, last minute penalty miss, disallowed Anelka goal and then Giggs’ chest. Utterly facking ridiculous. Never mind, we still had the league to go for. We best Spurs 3-1 at the lane, the same night Utd appear to blow it by drawing 2-2 at Pool. We’d found goals and we weren’t conceding any at all. Then came leeds away and a really early precursor to the Wenger bottle jobbing. We were hopeless that night and it cost us the title by a fecking point.
2000: I’d watched Chelsea pulverise Galatasary in the in the champions league group stage so thought we’d smash the ever living tar out of them in the final. Instead, despite waltzing into the final on the back of goals galore and some of the most entertaining European football we’ve ever played under Wenger, we bottled away a game that should have been a gimmie. The 1994 CWC remains the only European trophy I’ve seen us win.
2004 CL: no big trend left, draw Chelsea in the QF (we’d not lost a league game to them since 1995, had knocked them out of the FA cup the last 4 years running and had already beaten them twice in the league. It used to be funny how no matter how well Chelsea played we’d find a way to snatch it away from them without ever even having to play they well). Then the first leg happened and we drew 1-1. Then the 2nd leg happens and we lead 1-0 at the half. We’re definitely going through to take care of Monaco, Deportivo or Porto. No wait, what’s Wayne Bridge doing? FFS. We thrn bottle the FA cup semi to an ordinary Utd team. It still bothers me that we didn’t win a treble that year.
2008 league: Utd and Chelsea were ultimately the best two teams in Europe that year, however, we went toe-to-toe with the pair of them all year and were better for much of it. The football was some of the best we’ve ever played (Hleb, Cesc, Flamini and Rosicky were outrageous at times) and we lead the way for much of the season. When we went 5 points clear in February after beating Blackburn I was convinced. Then Birmingham happened. Taylor, Eduardo, Gallas. Nuff said. We’d go on to draw four in a row against Birmingham Villa, Boro and Liverpool (a terrible run that cost us dearly). We had only lost 1 game at that point, but we soon ran into Utd and Chelsea and lost both games after leading in the pair of them. Could not believe the collapse at all. Oh, then we had to deal with bottling that amazing CL game to ‘pool. Horrible meltdown that whole sequence.
herbie, good accounts People may disagree or agree, but it is what YOU think. Chelsea have had so many in the CL that it was weird that (bar this years team)we won it with the worst team of the lot.
Aye, I think Arsenal were the best team in the 2004 CL, the sending off so early cost them big time, really should have won it IMO.
For United, the 2010 CL. We were beating Bayern 3-0 until Rafael got sent off and still won the game 3-2 but went out on away goals after losing 2-1 in the first leg.
Bayern dispatched a very, very ordinary Lyon in the Semi's then came up against Jose Inter in the final, who were a great team for one season but not impossible for us to overcome I don't think.
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There are a few examples of us in Europe. I think it took Fergie a while to figure out how to win and even once he did, the Bayern game shows how thin the lines can be.
You can laugh, but after the first leg against Juve I started to honestly believe we (Spurs) might win the CL this year.
The second leg was the most disappointed that I've felt about football in about ten years.
English teams probably should have more in the 00s.
Arsenal/chelsea once they beat arsenal in 04.
Arsenal 2006.
Chelsea under jose probably should have won one.
It was just liverpool and utd. Strange arsenal and chelsea never won it.
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herbie, good accountsPeople may disagree or agree, but it is what YOU think. Chelsea have had so many in the CL that it was weird that (bar this years team)we won it with the worst team of the lot.
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I think some people have been deliberately obtuse with what you were getting at on this one. I actually agree with your account of that 1999 Chelsea side. You’re not saying they were better or as good as those superb Utd and Arsenal sides, just that Chelsea, that year had you believing they could have won title and why wouldn’t you? You’d brought in Desailly and Laudrup in the summer (who’d both been outstanding in the World Cup), you’d started winning trophies and were on an upward curve in the league. Arsenal and Utd didn’t really get going until the new year (at which point I think Chelsea had still only lost one game on opening day to Coventry when Darren Huckerby had terrorised Lebuef) and it wasn’t until we beat you 1-0 at Highbury (in early ‘99) that we started to go into overdrive - along with Utd. Even then, you were still performing superbly and keeping pace. That Guppy equaliser knocked the stuffing out of you once and for all, but it certainly wasn’t a reach to have thought that year might have been yours at all - “thought” being the operative. I remember you lot winning 4-3 at Ewood Park and, whilst they were rubbish that year, it was a gutsy performance that Chelsea weren’t renowned for at the time, and thinking they’re for real this year.
Who knows what might have happened that year had Laudrup worked out, casaraghi not gotten injured so early, Poyet stayed fit and you just had a bit more know-how and luck? Well within your rights to have thought you’d win the league that year. I also thought you should really have beaten Mallorca in the CWC semis too. Don’t know whether you’d have won it as they Lazio team were superb, but you definitely should have made the final.
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Aye, SAF seemed to nail the CL from 2008 to 2011 but it came just as Barca where compiling one of the greatest club teams ever with some of the best footballers ever to play the game.
Certainly post-99 we seemed to revert back to our quarter-final average. The games against Leverkusen were tough to take.
herbie Good knowledge mate. Yeah was a tough time, I was just behind that guppy goal as it curled in aswell. That and subsequent game against wednesday we dropped 4 points. And the wheels fell off. Wasn't mean to be. But we were playing some fantastic stuff, but just didn't have that regular striker to play infront of zola. And had no goals from midfield once poyet got crocked.
Obviously utd were trying to be all conquering back then so had their eyes on different prizes.
I believe that chelsea side to be in a similar state to the current spurs side, except maybe with more winners, hence the couple FA cups, CWC, super cup and league cup.
2008 We should have had another treble. In the FA Cup we got shunned against Portsmouth. Sendings off, ref mistakes as all sorts. Reckon we would have secured the treble tbh.
A lot of the memories Chelsea fans have had on this thread is why I've never bought into the "without Roman they'd be nothing" argument.
Chelsea were a sold, top 4-5 club who were always good for a cup from about 1996-2003, and maybe have an outside bid of winning the title, if the chips fell in the right place.
Yeah, you were a great side, just unfortunate that certain things went against you and that you can’t up against two of the very best premier league sides ever. That ‘99 season is probably my favourite ever title race that I’ve followed (01-02 and 07-08 bring my others) and that Chelsea side we’re always an integral part of it in my mind, so I have fond memories of that period. I imagine after that season, you thought it was probably never going to happen!
haha tbh I have an extreme dislike for arsenal, yet most chelsea fans dislike spurs. I actually love spurs. I have not seen them win at our place since 1990, basically since I had a memory! But no matter what, no matter how good our team was in the 90s we could not beat arsenal, we outplayed you at times, you went down to 10 men at times, nigel winterburn ffs!
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His Porto team was sensational in terms of talent and on the eye. He tried to change too much too quickly here and after Chelsea he turned his teams boring i'm guessing out of sheer fear, i read stuff about his Zenit side and apparently they would cease to attack as soon as they took the lead against even the bottom sides
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Talking of Spurs, I remember the 1982 F.A. Cup Quarter Final at the Bridge against them, while they were the holders from the previous season. They had a far better team than we did at the time, but on the day everything had gone wrong for them.
Their team coach had got stuck in the traffic and they turned up with the wrong colour socks and had to borrow yellow socks from us.
The atmosphere was electric that day and we played really well first half and deservedly took the lead from a Fillery free kick just before half time, and Spurs seemed out of sorts. In all my years of going I have never seen the Shed quite as buzzing as it was at half time. Loads of people were sitting on other people's shoulders such was the party atmosphere.
We all thought that this might have been our year if we could have got through the second half in the same fashion. The traditional big cup teams (apart from Spurs) had all gone and the likes of Leicester or QPR would be the Semi Final opponents so we would have had a good chance to go all the way and win the whole shooting match.
Anyway Spurs came out second half and for 15 minutes Hoddle and Hazard turned the class on and took the game right away from us. We did get another goal in the second half but were never really in the driving seat again and lost 2-3.
Talk about false dawns, we actually dream't that we might actually win something like the F.A. Cup.
That as a pretty good Spurs team at the time.
Hoddle and Steve Perryman were the stand out players and Archibald and Hazard not far behind. The current Brighton manger was a very good FB as well.
I was also convinced 2009 was our time in the CL, as i alluded to in my article the other week Hiddink was getting literally everything right at the time and i think that plus the sheer motivation to avenge Moscow would have seen us over the line in Rome.
You have to admit that Winterbutb goal was outstanding though.
Honestly, the hoodoo Arsenal had over Chelsea just became comical to me after a while. You’re right, it didn’t seem to matter what happened over the course of a game Arsenal would inevitably win out or salvage a draw. You battered us at the Bridge in consecutive years (99 and 2000) and both times ridiculousness took over first with that Kanu hat trick and then with Syvinho scoring one of the most ridiculous long range strikes you’ll see (what is it with left backs in this fixture?!). The FA cup games often went the same way. Didn’t seem to matter when you scored or how we played, we’d have Lauren score a screamer, Reyes have a debut from heaven or Sylvain Wiltord show you up (we had him and Jeffers up top one game at the bridge, went down to 10 and still won 3-1).
It’s probably why, like yourself, I’ve never harboured a deep disliking of Chelsea (I generally don’t hate any other teams, but some - like late 90’s early 00’s leeds are so rife with wrong un’s it’s hard to see anything redeeming) and a lot of that probably stems from never thinking of Chelsea as that threatening because of how conditioned I became to us beating your lot.
P.S. I actually think the current Spurs side are more akin to those late 90’s early 00’s leeds teams at this point, as opposed to those Chelsea teams. Similar vibe, but with a few less kn-bs and a better manager
Yeah it was, we were an ordinary Second Division outfit and normally wouldn't have laid a glove on them at that time, but as we all know on a one-off occasion the underdog can have their day, when you are drawn at home, everything rolls in your favour for a while and the big team have a bad day at the office.
As crap as we were, even we could have taken it from there if we had got through.
Losing the FA Cup final to Wigan. Wigan were going down, we had a great team with players in their prime but played so very badly on the day.
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To be fair our side was crap lol.
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we got a grip on the game and dominated the second half and extra time.
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You obviously didn't watch the game. You were much better in the second half, but you did not dominate Extra Time.
United really should have buried that game in the first half.
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1999: once we got into our stride domestically and with Utd extremely occupied with Europe, I thought we were going to be the first team to complete back to back doubles. Roy Keane’s ludicrously disallowed goal in the FA cup semi final convinced me further still that the gods were shining on us. Then came that replay and all that happened there: Keane sent off, last minute penalty miss, disallowed Anelka goal and then Giggs’ chest. Utterly facking ridiculous. Never mind, we still had the league to go for. We best Spurs 3-1 at the lane, the same night Utd appear to blow it by drawing 2-2 at Pool. We’d found goals and we weren’t conceding any at all. Then came leeds away and a really early precursor to the Wenger bottle jobbing. We were hopeless that night and it cost us the title by a fecking point.
2000: I’d watched Chelsea pulverise Galatasary in the in the champions league group stage so thought we’d smash the ever living tar out of them in the final. Instead, despite waltzing into the final on the back of goals galore and some of the most entertaining European football we’ve ever played under Wenger, we bottled away a game that should have been a gimmie. The 1994 CWC remains the only European trophy I’ve seen us win.
2004 CL: no big trend left, draw Chelsea in the QF (we’d not lost a league game to them since 1995, had knocked them out of the FA cup the last 4 years running and had already beaten them twice in the league. It used to be funny how no matter how well Chelsea played we’d find a way to snatch it away from them without ever even having to play they well). Then the first leg happened and we drew 1-1. Then the 2nd leg happens and we lead 1-0 at the half. We’re definitely going through to take care of Monaco, Deportivo or Porto. No wait, what’s Wayne Bridge doing? FFS. We thrn bottle the FA cup semi to an ordinary Utd team. It still bothers me that we didn’t win a treble that year.
2008 league: Utd and Chelsea were ultimately the best two teams in Europe that year, however, we went toe-to-toe with the pair of them all year and were better for much of it. The football was some of the best we’ve ever played (Hleb, Cesc, Flamini and Rosicky were outrageous at times) and we lead the way for much of the season. When we went 5 points clear in February after beating Blackburn I was convinced. Then Birmingham happened. Taylor, Eduardo, Gallas. Nuff said. We’d go on to draw four in a row against Birmingham Villa, Boro and Liverpool (a terrible run that cost us dearly). We had only lost 1 game at that point, but we soon ran into Utd and Chelsea and lost both games after leading in the pair of them. Could not believe the collapse at all. Oh, then we had to deal with bottling that amazing CL game to ‘pool. Horrible meltdown that whole sequence.
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herbie, good accounts People may disagree or agree, but it is what YOU think. Chelsea have had so many in the CL that it was weird that (bar this years team)we won it with the worst team of the lot.
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Aye, I think Arsenal were the best team in the 2004 CL, the sending off so early cost them big time, really should have won it IMO.
For United, the 2010 CL. We were beating Bayern 3-0 until Rafael got sent off and still won the game 3-2 but went out on away goals after losing 2-1 in the first leg.
Bayern dispatched a very, very ordinary Lyon in the Semi's then came up against Jose Inter in the final, who were a great team for one season but not impossible for us to overcome I don't think.
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BruceAndPally (U8201)
There are a few examples of us in Europe. I think it took Fergie a while to figure out how to win and even once he did, the Bayern game shows how thin the lines can be.
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You can laugh, but after the first leg against Juve I started to honestly believe we (Spurs) might win the CL this year.
The second leg was the most disappointed that I've felt about football in about ten years.
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English teams probably should have more in the 00s.
Arsenal/chelsea once they beat arsenal in 04.
Arsenal 2006.
Chelsea under jose probably should have won one.
It was just liverpool and utd. Strange arsenal and chelsea never won it.
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herbie, good accountsPeople may disagree or agree, but it is what YOU think. Chelsea have had so many in the CL that it was weird that (bar this years team)we won it with the worst team of the lot.
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I think some people have been deliberately obtuse with what you were getting at on this one. I actually agree with your account of that 1999 Chelsea side. You’re not saying they were better or as good as those superb Utd and Arsenal sides, just that Chelsea, that year had you believing they could have won title and why wouldn’t you? You’d brought in Desailly and Laudrup in the summer (who’d both been outstanding in the World Cup), you’d started winning trophies and were on an upward curve in the league. Arsenal and Utd didn’t really get going until the new year (at which point I think Chelsea had still only lost one game on opening day to Coventry when Darren Huckerby had terrorised Lebuef) and it wasn’t until we beat you 1-0 at Highbury (in early ‘99) that we started to go into overdrive - along with Utd. Even then, you were still performing superbly and keeping pace. That Guppy equaliser knocked the stuffing out of you once and for all, but it certainly wasn’t a reach to have thought that year might have been yours at all - “thought” being the operative. I remember you lot winning 4-3 at Ewood Park and, whilst they were rubbish that year, it was a gutsy performance that Chelsea weren’t renowned for at the time, and thinking they’re for real this year.
Who knows what might have happened that year had Laudrup worked out, casaraghi not gotten injured so early, Poyet stayed fit and you just had a bit more know-how and luck? Well within your rights to have thought you’d win the league that year. I also thought you should really have beaten Mallorca in the CWC semis too. Don’t know whether you’d have won it as they Lazio team were superb, but you definitely should have made the final.
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BruceAndPally (U8201)
There are a few examples of us in Europe. I think it took Fergie a while to figure out how to win and even once he did, the Bayern game shows how thin the lines can be.
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Aye, SAF seemed to nail the CL from 2008 to 2011 but it came just as Barca where compiling one of the greatest club teams ever with some of the best footballers ever to play the game.
Certainly post-99 we seemed to revert back to our quarter-final average. The games against Leverkusen were tough to take.
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herbie Good knowledge mate. Yeah was a tough time, I was just behind that guppy goal as it curled in aswell. That and subsequent game against wednesday we dropped 4 points. And the wheels fell off. Wasn't mean to be. But we were playing some fantastic stuff, but just didn't have that regular striker to play infront of zola. And had no goals from midfield once poyet got crocked.
Obviously utd were trying to be all conquering back then so had their eyes on different prizes.
I believe that chelsea side to be in a similar state to the current spurs side, except maybe with more winners, hence the couple FA cups, CWC, super cup and league cup.
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2008 We should have had another treble. In the FA Cup we got shunned against Portsmouth. Sendings off, ref mistakes as all sorts. Reckon we would have secured the treble tbh.
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A lot of the memories Chelsea fans have had on this thread is why I've never bought into the "without Roman they'd be nothing" argument.
Chelsea were a sold, top 4-5 club who were always good for a cup from about 1996-2003, and maybe have an outside bid of winning the title, if the chips fell in the right place.
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Yeah, you were a great side, just unfortunate that certain things went against you and that you can’t up against two of the very best premier league sides ever. That ‘99 season is probably my favourite ever title race that I’ve followed (01-02 and 07-08 bring my others) and that Chelsea side we’re always an integral part of it in my mind, so I have fond memories of that period. I imagine after that season, you thought it was probably never going to happen!
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haha tbh I have an extreme dislike for arsenal, yet most chelsea fans dislike spurs. I actually love spurs. I have not seen them win at our place since 1990, basically since I had a memory! But no matter what, no matter how good our team was in the 90s we could not beat arsenal, we outplayed you at times, you went down to 10 men at times, nigel winterburn ffs!
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I was convinced we would win the league when AVB's appointment was announced, although the alternative reality was much better
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His time in England really did absolutely wreck him. One of the most promising young managers and he's now been out of work since leaving a Chinese team in November
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I was convinced we would win the league when AVB's appointment was announced, although the alternative reality was much better
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His time in England really did absolutely wreck him. One of the most promising young managers and he's now been out of work since leaving a Chinese team in November
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His Porto team was sensational in terms of talent and on the eye. He tried to change too much too quickly here and after Chelsea he turned his teams boring i'm guessing out of sheer fear, i read stuff about his Zenit side and apparently they would cease to attack as soon as they took the lead against even the bottom sides
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I was convinced we would win the league when AVB's appointment was announced, although the alternative reality was much better
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His time in England really did absolutely wreck him. One of the most promising young managers and he's now been out of work since leaving a Chinese team in November
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Think he is more interested in rally driving now.
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Talking of Spurs, I remember the 1982 F.A. Cup Quarter Final at the Bridge against them, while they were the holders from the previous season. They had a far better team than we did at the time, but on the day everything had gone wrong for them.
Their team coach had got stuck in the traffic and they turned up with the wrong colour socks and had to borrow yellow socks from us.
The atmosphere was electric that day and we played really well first half and deservedly took the lead from a Fillery free kick just before half time, and Spurs seemed out of sorts. In all my years of going I have never seen the Shed quite as buzzing as it was at half time. Loads of people were sitting on other people's shoulders such was the party atmosphere.
We all thought that this might have been our year if we could have got through the second half in the same fashion. The traditional big cup teams (apart from Spurs) had all gone and the likes of Leicester or QPR would be the Semi Final opponents so we would have had a good chance to go all the way and win the whole shooting match.
Anyway Spurs came out second half and for 15 minutes Hoddle and Hazard turned the class on and took the game right away from us. We did get another goal in the second half but were never really in the driving seat again and lost 2-3.
Talk about false dawns, we actually dream't that we might actually win something like the F.A. Cup.
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That as a pretty good Spurs team at the time.
Hoddle and Steve Perryman were the stand out players and Archibald and Hazard not far behind. The current Brighton manger was a very good FB as well.
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I was also convinced 2009 was our time in the CL, as i alluded to in my article the other week Hiddink was getting literally everything right at the time and i think that plus the sheer motivation to avenge Moscow would have seen us over the line in Rome.
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You have to admit that Winterbutb goal was outstanding though.
Honestly, the hoodoo Arsenal had over Chelsea just became comical to me after a while. You’re right, it didn’t seem to matter what happened over the course of a game Arsenal would inevitably win out or salvage a draw. You battered us at the Bridge in consecutive years (99 and 2000) and both times ridiculousness took over first with that Kanu hat trick and then with Syvinho scoring one of the most ridiculous long range strikes you’ll see (what is it with left backs in this fixture?!). The FA cup games often went the same way. Didn’t seem to matter when you scored or how we played, we’d have Lauren score a screamer, Reyes have a debut from heaven or Sylvain Wiltord show you up (we had him and Jeffers up top one game at the bridge, went down to 10 and still won 3-1).
It’s probably why, like yourself, I’ve never harboured a deep disliking of Chelsea (I generally don’t hate any other teams, but some - like late 90’s early 00’s leeds are so rife with wrong un’s it’s hard to see anything redeeming) and a lot of that probably stems from never thinking of Chelsea as that threatening because of how conditioned I became to us beating your lot.
P.S. I actually think the current Spurs side are more akin to those late 90’s early 00’s leeds teams at this point, as opposed to those Chelsea teams. Similar vibe, but with a few less kn-bs and a better manager
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Yeah it was, we were an ordinary Second Division outfit and normally wouldn't have laid a glove on them at that time, but as we all know on a one-off occasion the underdog can have their day, when you are drawn at home, everything rolls in your favour for a while and the big team have a bad day at the office.
As crap as we were, even we could have taken it from there if we had got through.
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Losing the FA Cup final to Wigan. Wigan were going down, we had a great team with players in their prime but played so very badly on the day.
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