*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
"Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?"
No one is talking about punishing individuals.
--------------------------------------------------------------
The general principle applies.
I actually think a some of our ‘foreign aid’ is the political correct terminology for reparations in some instances for colonialism. I’m not saying all cases but it wouldn’t shock me if this is what a fair chunk really is and we’d never be able to call it that.
I'm not expecting a single person to agree with me.
So lets just agree to disagree on the point i've just made, as i won't convince you and you sure as hell won't convince me
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell that to the children in poverty from which it could alleviate them, to the homeless service veteran struggling to eat with nowhere to sleep.
These people deserve the help first ultimately.
The worlds overpopulated anyway
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The vikings didn't set up banks and trade deals that still exist today, they aren't still part of a "Commonwealth" as far as I can tell.
A viking leader wasn't removed from power through rebellion / political means in the past century
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
#SCRAPTRIDENT there’s £40B to play with right there.
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2bn per year saved from Trident, lets do that and stop foreign aid then we have 16bn a year to fix the big issues at home.
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It’s not £14B a year it’s 0.7% GDP which means it goes up and down.
Don’t worry bigots it will be going WAY DOWN after we Brexit. We can starve AND Johnny Forigner can starve.
Everybody’s happy.
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Which was 14bn
Plus it doesn't go up and down it goes up and up.
Calling people bigots for perfectly valid viewpoints is how to ruin a decent debate.
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Everyone I’ve ever come across who is against the Foriegn Aid budget, is a racist Brexiter.
Heartless, selfish and dead on the inside.
How do you people sleep.
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The usual retorts of someone without the intellect to debate the points.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he shouldn't.
This is the classic argument that gets continuously repeated.
The irony of course is that a large portion of the world have at some point been the oppressor.
Do we punish Turkey because of the Ottoman empire ? Of course not - same with the Byzantine empire.
It's a ludicrous argument and one that only a socialist/leftie could make.
Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
It's actually a credible point, but it does of course require some common sense and possibly a timeline.
Reading some comments on here, I realise that a credible debate is highly unlikely.
Going back to the article, does no one find it peculiar, the Bermuda-registered, (offshore) Daily Mail doesn’t seem to concentrate on corporate tax avoidance just as much as UK foreign aid…
The points haven't been debated a quite a few pages now to be fair, just petty/'witty' remarks and single line responses to some quite well constructed replies.
The only answer in your eyes is to cut any means of foreign aid, split the $14m between all the homeless and buy them a house, then save the NHS with the remaining kitty
No idea what happens after that.
Nice and simple though.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell that to the children in poverty from which it could alleviate them, to the homeless service veteran struggling to eat with nowhere to sleep.
These people deserve the help first ultimately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK can more than afford to do both
First place to look is at your current PM and how she is a Tory Witch of Cant who would happily leave a homeless person die if it meant a few more quid in the coffers for the rich boys club.
16bn could be taken in a day if corporations were correctly regulated and taxed (again not just the UK does this)
FFS the dopey cant is giving the DU fecking P 1bn to secure power, a group who would happily hang gay people if they really got the chance, what could the 1bn there do for local homeless issues?
Pretty much all the wealth taken was spent during 2 world wars, america made sure we came out of it bankrupt
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The vikings didn't set up banks and trade deals that still exist today, they aren't still part of a "Commonwealth" as far as I can tell.
A viking leader wasn't removed from power through rebellion / political means in the past century
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They did though plunder and kill.
So the last century is the period for which we should pay for crimes of our fathers? Rather arbitrary.
Is that because it excludes the Vikings because it doesnt fit your point?
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he shouldn't.
This is the classic argument that gets continuously repeated.
The irony of course is that a large portion of the world have at some point been the oppressor.
Do we punish Turkey because of the Ottoman empire ? Of course not - same with the Byzantine empire.
It's a ludicrous argument and one that only a socialist/leftie could make.
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It's not about punishing countries though, it's about helping those that are less fortunate. Besides, Turkey pay foreign aid so that comparison doesn't hold much weight.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he shouldn't.
This is the classic argument that gets continuously repeated.
The irony of course is that a large portion of the world have at some point been the oppressor.
Do we punish Turkey because of the Ottoman empire ? Of course not - same with the Byzantine empire.
It's a ludicrous argument and one that only a socialist/leftie could make.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah accept it's defo not a ridiculous argument.
The UK is one of the worlds wealthiest, and most generous nations, it has the ability to be through how it grew during colonization, to give back to the rest of the world who need it is a good thing, morally and also economically in the long run.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell that to the children in poverty from which it could alleviate them, to the homeless service veteran struggling to eat with nowhere to sleep.
These people deserve the help first ultimately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK can more than afford to do both
First place to look is at your current PM and how she is a Tory Witch of Cant who would happily leave a homeless person die if it meant a few more quid in the coffers for the rich boys club.
16bn could be taken in a day if corporations were correctly regulated and taxed (again not just the UK does this)
FFS the dopey cant is giving the DU fecking P 1bn to secure power, a group who would happily hang gay people if they really got the chance, what could the 1bn there do for local homeless issues?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can assure you i would never vote Tory (i am Scottish after all) and i agree with your points about other steps we should be taking and if those steps alleviated the issues at home then i'm all for a foreign aid budget.
But IF and only if all our major domestic issues are resolved.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
Going back to the article, does no one find it peculiar, the Bermuda-registered, (offshore) Daily Mail doesn’t seem to concentrate on corporate tax avoidance just as much as UK foreign aid…
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You could pull 16bn a day back if the corporate tax was done correctly.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The vikings didn't set up banks and trade deals that still exist today, they aren't still part of a "Commonwealth" as far as I can tell.
A viking leader wasn't removed from power through rebellion / political means in the past century
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They did though plunder and kill.
So the last century is the period for which we should pay for crimes of our fathers? Rather arbitrary.
Is that because it excludes the Vikings because it doesnt fit your point?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you saying the vikings are the Norwegian Government?
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 3 minutes ago
The points haven't been debated a quite a few pages now to be fair, just petty/'witty' remarks and single line responses to some quite well constructed replies.
The only answer in your eyes is to cut any means of foreign aid, split the $14m between all the homeless and buy them a house, then save the NHS with the remaining kitty
No idea what happens after that.
Nice and simple though
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Well if you've missed my points throughout this entirely.
If not you will have seen i condone many other ways of fixing the problems like fixing taxation, tax avoidance, cutting trident first.
BUT while we have major domestic issues with child poverty, homelessness, the NHS we should not be paying 14bn out. Once those gaps have been plugged and if we have excess to help then I am all for that
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The vikings didn't set up banks and trade deals that still exist today, they aren't still part of a "Commonwealth" as far as I can tell.
A viking leader wasn't removed from power through rebellion / political means in the past century
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They did though plunder and kill.
So the last century is the period for which we should pay for crimes of our fathers? Rather arbitrary.
Is that because it excludes the Vikings because it doesnt fit your point?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you saying the vikings are the Norwegian Government?
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You tell me who controlled Norway back then?
But IF and only if all our major domestic issues are resolved.
I get that mate I really do, I just think the domestic issues can be solved and you can keep paying foreign aid.
A great think about the UK is the people's willingness to give and help, always has been a part of British culture.
If there was a major incident tomorrow, like a Tsunami or something the UK would be at the front of the queue offering aid etc.
The real issues are with those in power, Homelessness for example is a completley curable issue for any developed nation, we've th esame problem here especially in Dublin, it's horrible to see it and I can understand the argument of why give it to foregin people when we have the same issue outside my door.
My point is the UK can easily do both.
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell that to the children in poverty from which it could alleviate them, to the homeless service veteran struggling to eat with nowhere to sleep.
These people deserve the help first ultimately.
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There are factors like mental health, alcohol and drug abuse that need to be taken into account when discussing the problems of poverty and homelessness
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posted on 6/4/18
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 18 seconds ago
"Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?"
No one is talking about punishing individuals.
--------------------------------------------------------------
The general principle applies.
posted on 6/4/18
I actually think a some of our ‘foreign aid’ is the political correct terminology for reparations in some instances for colonialism. I’m not saying all cases but it wouldn’t shock me if this is what a fair chunk really is and we’d never be able to call it that.
I'm not expecting a single person to agree with me.
So lets just agree to disagree on the point i've just made, as i won't convince you and you sure as hell won't convince me
posted on 6/4/18
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 6/4/18
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell that to the children in poverty from which it could alleviate them, to the homeless service veteran struggling to eat with nowhere to sleep.
These people deserve the help first ultimately.
posted on 6/4/18
The worlds overpopulated anyway
posted on 6/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The vikings didn't set up banks and trade deals that still exist today, they aren't still part of a "Commonwealth" as far as I can tell.
A viking leader wasn't removed from power through rebellion / political means in the past century
posted on 6/4/18
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFTP (U21430)
posted 1 minute ago
#SCRAPTRIDENT there’s £40B to play with right there.
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2bn per year saved from Trident, lets do that and stop foreign aid then we have 16bn a year to fix the big issues at home.
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It’s not £14B a year it’s 0.7% GDP which means it goes up and down.
Don’t worry bigots it will be going WAY DOWN after we Brexit. We can starve AND Johnny Forigner can starve.
Everybody’s happy.
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Which was 14bn
Plus it doesn't go up and down it goes up and up.
Calling people bigots for perfectly valid viewpoints is how to ruin a decent debate.
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Everyone I’ve ever come across who is against the Foriegn Aid budget, is a racist Brexiter.
Heartless, selfish and dead on the inside.
How do you people sleep.
------------------------------------------------------------------
The usual retorts of someone without the intellect to debate the points.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he shouldn't.
This is the classic argument that gets continuously repeated.
The irony of course is that a large portion of the world have at some point been the oppressor.
Do we punish Turkey because of the Ottoman empire ? Of course not - same with the Byzantine empire.
It's a ludicrous argument and one that only a socialist/leftie could make.
posted on 6/4/18
Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
It's actually a credible point, but it does of course require some common sense and possibly a timeline.
Reading some comments on here, I realise that a credible debate is highly unlikely.
posted on 6/4/18
Going back to the article, does no one find it peculiar, the Bermuda-registered, (offshore) Daily Mail doesn’t seem to concentrate on corporate tax avoidance just as much as UK foreign aid…
posted on 6/4/18
The points haven't been debated a quite a few pages now to be fair, just petty/'witty' remarks and single line responses to some quite well constructed replies.
The only answer in your eyes is to cut any means of foreign aid, split the $14m between all the homeless and buy them a house, then save the NHS with the remaining kitty
No idea what happens after that.
Nice and simple though.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell that to the children in poverty from which it could alleviate them, to the homeless service veteran struggling to eat with nowhere to sleep.
These people deserve the help first ultimately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK can more than afford to do both
First place to look is at your current PM and how she is a Tory Witch of Cant who would happily leave a homeless person die if it meant a few more quid in the coffers for the rich boys club.
16bn could be taken in a day if corporations were correctly regulated and taxed (again not just the UK does this)
FFS the dopey cant is giving the DU fecking P 1bn to secure power, a group who would happily hang gay people if they really got the chance, what could the 1bn there do for local homeless issues?
posted on 6/4/18
Pretty much all the wealth taken was spent during 2 world wars, america made sure we came out of it bankrupt
posted on 6/4/18
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The vikings didn't set up banks and trade deals that still exist today, they aren't still part of a "Commonwealth" as far as I can tell.
A viking leader wasn't removed from power through rebellion / political means in the past century
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They did though plunder and kill.
So the last century is the period for which we should pay for crimes of our fathers? Rather arbitrary.
Is that because it excludes the Vikings because it doesnt fit your point?
posted on 6/4/18
£14b*
posted on 6/4/18
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he shouldn't.
This is the classic argument that gets continuously repeated.
The irony of course is that a large portion of the world have at some point been the oppressor.
Do we punish Turkey because of the Ottoman empire ? Of course not - same with the Byzantine empire.
It's a ludicrous argument and one that only a socialist/leftie could make.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not about punishing countries though, it's about helping those that are less fortunate. Besides, Turkey pay foreign aid so that comparison doesn't hold much weight.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he shouldn't.
This is the classic argument that gets continuously repeated.
The irony of course is that a large portion of the world have at some point been the oppressor.
Do we punish Turkey because of the Ottoman empire ? Of course not - same with the Byzantine empire.
It's a ludicrous argument and one that only a socialist/leftie could make.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah accept it's defo not a ridiculous argument.
The UK is one of the worlds wealthiest, and most generous nations, it has the ability to be through how it grew during colonization, to give back to the rest of the world who need it is a good thing, morally and also economically in the long run.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Tell that to the children in poverty from which it could alleviate them, to the homeless service veteran struggling to eat with nowhere to sleep.
These people deserve the help first ultimately.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK can more than afford to do both
First place to look is at your current PM and how she is a Tory Witch of Cant who would happily leave a homeless person die if it meant a few more quid in the coffers for the rich boys club.
16bn could be taken in a day if corporations were correctly regulated and taxed (again not just the UK does this)
FFS the dopey cant is giving the DU fecking P 1bn to secure power, a group who would happily hang gay people if they really got the chance, what could the 1bn there do for local homeless issues?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can assure you i would never vote Tory (i am Scottish after all) and i agree with your points about other steps we should be taking and if those steps alleviated the issues at home then i'm all for a foreign aid budget.
But IF and only if all our major domestic issues are resolved.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
Going back to the article, does no one find it peculiar, the Bermuda-registered, (offshore) Daily Mail doesn’t seem to concentrate on corporate tax avoidance just as much as UK foreign aid…
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You could pull 16bn a day back if the corporate tax was done correctly.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The vikings didn't set up banks and trade deals that still exist today, they aren't still part of a "Commonwealth" as far as I can tell.
A viking leader wasn't removed from power through rebellion / political means in the past century
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They did though plunder and kill.
So the last century is the period for which we should pay for crimes of our fathers? Rather arbitrary.
Is that because it excludes the Vikings because it doesnt fit your point?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you saying the vikings are the Norwegian Government?
posted on 6/4/18
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 3 minutes ago
The points haven't been debated a quite a few pages now to be fair, just petty/'witty' remarks and single line responses to some quite well constructed replies.
The only answer in your eyes is to cut any means of foreign aid, split the $14m between all the homeless and buy them a house, then save the NHS with the remaining kitty
No idea what happens after that.
Nice and simple though
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Well if you've missed my points throughout this entirely.
If not you will have seen i condone many other ways of fixing the problems like fixing taxation, tax avoidance, cutting trident first.
BUT while we have major domestic issues with child poverty, homelessness, the NHS we should not be paying 14bn out. Once those gaps have been plugged and if we have excess to help then I am all for that
posted on 6/4/18
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 58 seconds ago
"You can't really spend centuries illegally colonizing any nation you could, ripping the wealth of these nations out and sending it back to the Motherland, then expect to not have to give something back."
Well said.
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Should a son be punished for the crimes of his father?
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Well in a case like this yes they should, the acts carried out over centuries of clonization has shaped the modern world for good or bad. UK has a major part to play in that.
You think it's fine to have benefited for centuires on wealth taken from colonized nations, the life you live today, all the nice mod cons and stuff you enjoy daily are built offf the back of wealth generated over centuries of colonization, (of course the UK also generates it's own wealth too).
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Where does it end then? How far back do you go?
Norway pay us no aid for what the Vikings took.
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The vikings didn't set up banks and trade deals that still exist today, they aren't still part of a "Commonwealth" as far as I can tell.
A viking leader wasn't removed from power through rebellion / political means in the past century
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They did though plunder and kill.
So the last century is the period for which we should pay for crimes of our fathers? Rather arbitrary.
Is that because it excludes the Vikings because it doesnt fit your point?
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Are you saying the vikings are the Norwegian Government?
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You tell me who controlled Norway back then?
posted on 6/4/18
But IF and only if all our major domestic issues are resolved.
I get that mate I really do, I just think the domestic issues can be solved and you can keep paying foreign aid.
A great think about the UK is the people's willingness to give and help, always has been a part of British culture.
If there was a major incident tomorrow, like a Tsunami or something the UK would be at the front of the queue offering aid etc.
The real issues are with those in power, Homelessness for example is a completley curable issue for any developed nation, we've th esame problem here especially in Dublin, it's horrible to see it and I can understand the argument of why give it to foregin people when we have the same issue outside my door.
My point is the UK can easily do both.
posted on 6/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 43 seconds ago
*And then not give back, 16bn is next t onothing from what the UK generates a year.
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Tell that to the children in poverty from which it could alleviate them, to the homeless service veteran struggling to eat with nowhere to sleep.
These people deserve the help first ultimately.
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There are factors like mental health, alcohol and drug abuse that need to be taken into account when discussing the problems of poverty and homelessness
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