So far he has done the following:
- Appointed a Director of Football who is not up for the job
- Spent millions on players who are poor, this is seen by the fact that we finished 13.
- Put in charge two managers, both not up for the job in anyway shape or form
- Overseen a tour of a country that will add zero value to the club and only alienate potential fans and the clubs reputation
- Created a god awful badge
-Oversaw our three best players leaving and did not replace them with anything like the quality this league needs
- Seen a massive wage budget being spent on players who will never be good enough for this league, let alone getting us out of it

There’s some people trying to justify his poor running at the moment due a few positives (The buying back of Elland Road springs to to mind), but I thought it would be worth mentioning that despite all of that he’s done a lot to add to the damage that Bates, GFH and Cellino did to the club and things continue to go t1ts-up on the pitch, the club feels like it’s in poor hands off the pitch.

Suit yourself.

I just thought finding reasons to like things was more fun than trying to find reasons to hate them.

I already have something I like...check that love...

Its called Leeds United, and unfortunately its not been run very well at the moment and I don't see the need to try and justify that.

I’m not trying to justify the misfires, I just felt like he deserves a bit more credit for what he’s done right.

Yes, he’s made a lot of mistakes this season, but I’m gonna stay positive and hope he learns from those mistakes.

I’ll gladly hold my hands up if I’m wrong but after 15 years of this garbage, surely something is gonna break our way soon.

The beauty of the crystal ball in football is that it's always spinning. And there are 23 other teams with their own spinning crystal balls too. Others' plans just keep getting in the way of our guaranteed success.

Liverpool University do a degree in football administration - some on here should give it a go and become the off-pitch LUFC Messiah.

Tall, the only action that matters is on the pitch, and this season has been a disaster. Radz and Orta are out of their depth, Heck cannot motivate his players, and we lack leadership and resilience. Radz could win the Nobel prize for all I care, but this club needs winners, and I'm not seeing them. Are you?

Not yet, but if we get Bartley back and if Hernandez, Roofe and Saiz can get on top of their fitness/discipline, then, with a decent manager, things could be turned around pretty quickly.

I know I sound delusional (as always) but despite the collapse, I feel like most of the pieces are there. We’re just missing a coach that can put them into place.

Bartley has to be a no-go due to injuries.

Reality is that some people just like to complain. Give the new chairman some time and he might surprise you. He's still learning.

not too worried about rad, i see the mistakes he's made but he's a breath of fresh air compared to the past.
he has to be learning, this is just his 2nd full year.
the main priority has to be an experienced manager and take it from there.
its amazing what a few quality additions ( 4 or 5 ) could do for the team. i'm very positive for next year as long as we don't start with heck.

Club doesn’t own ER

One of rad companies does

comment by LIW - RAD = BATES WITH A SMILE (U8453)
posted 25 minutes ago
Club doesn’t own ER

One of rad companies does

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The company that owns the club owns ER.

Trying to suggest there's a separation in ownership is a bit disingenuous IMO.

comment by Sol WGUAFPOW (U2745)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by LIW - RAD = BATES WITH A SMILE (U8453)
posted 25 minutes ago
Club doesn’t own ER

One of rad companies does

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The company that owns the club owns ER.

Trying to suggest there's a separation in ownership is a bit disingenuous IMO.
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They’re owned as separate entities. Whilst he’s at LUFC, one hand washes the other. He doesn’t have to pay the circa 2,000,000 p/a rent, which over a 10 year period pays for the ground in itself.

Down the line, he could retain ownership of the ground and not the club.

comment by The Hayemaker (U14625)

Down the line, he could retain ownership of the ground and not the club.
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But how would a corporate structure prevent this from happening?

The owner can sell whichever assets he wants, even if ER was owned at LUFC level.

Now the club and ground have the same ownership nobody is going to buy the club without the ground.

It just doesn't make sense.

nobody is going to buy the club without the ground
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Bates, gfh, Cellino and AR All bought club without the ground.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 minutes ago
nobody is going to buy the club without the ground
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Bates, gfh, Cellino and AR All bought club without the ground.
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That was then, this is now.

Nothing unusual about having a separate property owning company.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 minutes ago
nobody is going to buy the club without the ground
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Bates, gfh, Cellino and AR All bought club without the ground.
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They weren't under the same ownership.

If it does ever happen, then alarm bells should be ringing, more at whoever the buyer is than AR, maybe.

But if anyone wants to suggest ways in which the corporate structure can prevent this I'm all ears.

The suggestion that there is something nefarious in this is just plain daft.

"nobody is going to buy the club without the ground
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Bates, gfh, Cellino and AR All bought club without the ground."

Only because the ground was completely out of the clubs hands!..

AR and his companies it could be said have brought the ground closer to home than it was, we don't have to leave town to go to bed!..

They "Club/Ground" are own by AR and the rent being paid is now not there, surely that is better for the club as a whole?..

The only problem around the club is the way its been run and the manager/coach not being allowed to do things his way, the only way this club will get anywhere is by a class manager coming in and him having full say on everything as far as the playing side of the club goes!..

Abromovich bought Chelsea if I remember rightly without owning the ground as Bates owned it then sold it to Abromovich at a later date if I recall correctly.

Castro, I'm not sure but I think there was a lot of trouble between Bates and Abromovich because Bates fixed it so that the fans owned the ground or something like that!..

I don't think, unless its changed since then, that the club own the ground, I think it belongs to a fans group!..

I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong!.

Germany yeah I remember there was something very controversial about it, but it was Bates so no surprise there. You may well be right about the fans group.

comment by CASTROLEEDS (U15778)
posted 47 minutes ago
Germany yeah I remember there was something very controversial about it, but it was Bates so no surprise there. You may well be right about the fans group.
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Here you go.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Pitch_Owners

Weirdly I have no objections to the principle of this. I don't know enough about it to say this is a model we should aspire to, but it's aims seem pretty decent.

Not sure where the controversy is.

But let's face it - it's only because we didn't own the ground for so long that this is an issue.

There's nothing to suggest the club and ground are being set up to be divested separately.

I was just checking, beat me to it Sol!.

http://thechels.info/wiki/Ken_Bates

Thanks Sol. Thanks Germany 👍

Agree with sol

Pains me to say this, but Bates did right by the fans with what he did