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comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 16 minutes ago
80% think it's too high according to surveys.
Commonwealth countries will be happy to deal with us, money talks.
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India has openly stated they are happy to have a FTA with the UK, they just want Freedom of Movement as part of the deal.
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They want an increase in the number of work visas or something like that, very different to FOM. Having freedom of movement with a country of over 1 billion people and the amount of poverty that india has would be an absolute disaster!
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The EU/India FTA broke down as the UK (Theresa May) would not commit to FoM. Ironically talks with India are set to reopen without the UK.
Knowing migration is such a hot potato in the UK, potential trade partners will use this as leverage.
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Correction, talks broke down due to increased visa applications (for Indians) not FoM.
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comment by Always NPE - 1,000,002 (U20804)
posted 21 minutes ago
Considering most Brexit supporters wanted better relations with commonwealth rather than Europe it is probably the reverse of what you claim.
Also mismanagement in Windrush and a callousness towards people who have loved here for fifty years is rightly condemned.
Will it change mainstream opinion that immigration is too high at its current rates or that illegal immigrants should be Deported? Nope.
It won't change it on the continent either. Where much nastier far right parties have a lot more influence.
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In Scotland it actually needs much more immigration than it currently has. The SNP has stated that for some time actually. The major issue within the country is of our own creation and its the South East drain. A massive amount of cash being spent on HS2 just highlights this even further - the start is connecting London from everywhere else - when in faif they started by connecting Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Birmingham it would probably have far greater effect.
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Don't mean this in a rude way but if people don't want to go to Scotland then what can be done? The whole of the EU have had the freedom to move the Scotland if they wanted to. Not only do we have very high net migration but it's concentrated in a relatively small % of the country.
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Agree, but in part its of our own making over decades as I stated. I actually agree with one of the posters above that has said it should be a devolved power to the regional Parliaments.
Plus why would you not want to move to Scotland, I moved to Edinburgh from the North West and its great
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 16 minutes ago
80% think it's too high according to surveys.
Commonwealth countries will be happy to deal with us, money talks.
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India has openly stated they are happy to have a FTA with the UK, they just want Freedom of Movement as part of the deal.
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They want an increase in the number of work visas or something like that, very different to FOM. Having freedom of movement with a country of over 1 billion people and the amount of poverty that india has would be an absolute disaster!
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https://www.politico.eu/article/india-no-rush-to-do-bilateral-trade-deal-with-post-brexit-britain-commonwealth-eu-customs-union-external-tariffs/
Stated right here that they want freer movement of people and its a sticking point. They also see a trade deal with the EU as more important.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 16 minutes ago
80% think it's too high according to surveys.
Commonwealth countries will be happy to deal with us, money talks.
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India has openly stated they are happy to have a FTA with the UK, they just want Freedom of Movement as part of the deal.
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They want an increase in the number of work visas or something like that, very different to FOM. Having freedom of movement with a country of over 1 billion people and the amount of poverty that india has would be an absolute disaster!
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The EU/India FTA broke down as the UK (Theresa May) would not commit to FoM. Ironically talks with India are set to reopen without the UK.
Knowing migration is such a hot potato in the UK, potential trade partners will use this as leverage.
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Correction, talks broke down due to increased visa applications (for Indians) not FoM.
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This is true but its a key point in any FTA - it also involves migration deals in terms of movement of labour.
It won't just be India that want this.
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
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comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 16 minutes ago
80% think it's too high according to surveys.
Commonwealth countries will be happy to deal with us, money talks.
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India has openly stated they are happy to have a FTA with the UK, they just want Freedom of Movement as part of the deal.
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They want an increase in the number of work visas or something like that, very different to FOM. Having freedom of movement with a country of over 1 billion people and the amount of poverty that india has would be an absolute disaster!
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The EU/India FTA broke down as the UK (Theresa May) would not commit to FoM. Ironically talks with India are set to reopen without the UK.
Knowing migration is such a hot potato in the UK, potential trade partners will use this as leverage.
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Correction, talks broke down due to increased visa applications (for Indians) not FoM.
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This is true but its a key point in any FTA - it also involves migration deals in terms of movement of labour.
It won't just be India that want this.
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100%. Each and every trading partner will be asking for either FoM or a significant increase/waivers in visas.
Even if some don't it will undoubtedly be used to leverage negotiations.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour ago
What do you mean by "going wrong"? Can you explain that please?
............
This just for starters.
Uncontrolled immigration of refugees. Leading to the terror attacks we have recently seen.
I can do this all day with you, if yo want Rosso, if you want to try being a smart ar$e.
You know fully well what has been going wrong with the EU, as you are not a stupid poster.
Here is another. EU fishing rules being blatantly ignored by one of its major nations. I am sure you did not miss that.
The single currency. Probably Gordon Browns best decision was to keep out of it.
The EU NATO Countries not doing their share, apart from the UK funnily enough.
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I'm not remotely trying to be a smart arsse, VC.
I'm just stating that a comment as general as the EU is "going wrong" requires some justification, because from where I'm sitting - and I think many people across the UK, Europe and beyond would agree with me - it simply isn't.
It has its flaws: it could be more democratically transparent and representative (although it is already more so than UK governance); it could be a little less ideological when a bit of pragmatism in certain policy areas would go a long way (again, the same could be said of UK government); it could do with a huge PR and communications overhaul; and the list goes on.
But are the lives of the majority of Europeans better off for its existence? On balance, I'd say yes, in many ways. And for me, it's a very big shame the UK won't be part of the ongoing discussions on the reform and development of the bloc going forwards.
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The UK also has more opt outs than any other member state. Visa and asylum for instance, both Ireland and the UK have different models (given geographical location) than on mainland Europe.
http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/who-does-what/more-information/explaining-the-rules-why-are-there-eu-rules-and-national-rules_en
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comment by Always NPE - 1,000,002 (U20804)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
The UK also has more opt outs than any other member state. Visa and asylum for instance, both Ireland and the UK have different models (given geographical location) than on mainland Europe.
http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/who-does-what/more-information/explaining-the-rules-why-are-there-eu-rules-and-national-rules_en
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This is a fallacious argument and you know it mate
Though it is kind that the German Empire gives its vassals some lie way
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"Exceptions to EU-wide rules
EU-wide immigration rules generally apply in 25 out of the EU’s 28 countries. The following exceptions apply:
Denmark does not apply EU-wide rules which relate to immigration, visa and asylum policies.
Ireland and the United Kingdom choose, on a case-by-case basis, whether or not to adopt EU rules on immigration, visa and asylum policies."
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AFTP is more like the people he hates than he realises
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by sandy (U20567)
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comment by TUX (U5315)
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comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 minutes ago
The last time The EU failed, World War II took place.
Brexiters seem happy for it to go down that path again.
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Belter!
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The EU in its present form was not formed until after the war agreed. But for centuries European countries with their empires had formed alliances. Come the 1930s Europe had divided into lots of nationalistic countries, Britain included, and we all know what happened next.
The Nationalistic Brexit fanatics seem to want Europe to follow the same outcome.
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😂😂😂😂
For centuries European countries formed alliances?? Yeah... To attack someone else.
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Is that not Sandys point? The fact nobody is attacking anybody, that we're experiencing the longest European peace in history.
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The EU hasn't stopped any wars, nuclear weapons have.
No country is history that has nuclear weapons has ever been invaded. Many situations that would have otherwise escalated into wars, North Korea US being the latest, have instead turned to the negotiating table rather than 100,000's lives being lost.
Nuclear weapons are both the best and worst thing to happen to our species
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posted on 21/5/18
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 16 minutes ago
80% think it's too high according to surveys.
Commonwealth countries will be happy to deal with us, money talks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
India has openly stated they are happy to have a FTA with the UK, they just want Freedom of Movement as part of the deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They want an increase in the number of work visas or something like that, very different to FOM. Having freedom of movement with a country of over 1 billion people and the amount of poverty that india has would be an absolute disaster!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU/India FTA broke down as the UK (Theresa May) would not commit to FoM. Ironically talks with India are set to reopen without the UK.
Knowing migration is such a hot potato in the UK, potential trade partners will use this as leverage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correction, talks broke down due to increased visa applications (for Indians) not FoM.
posted on 21/5/18
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Always NPE - 1,000,002 (U20804)
posted 21 minutes ago
Considering most Brexit supporters wanted better relations with commonwealth rather than Europe it is probably the reverse of what you claim.
Also mismanagement in Windrush and a callousness towards people who have loved here for fifty years is rightly condemned.
Will it change mainstream opinion that immigration is too high at its current rates or that illegal immigrants should be Deported? Nope.
It won't change it on the continent either. Where much nastier far right parties have a lot more influence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In Scotland it actually needs much more immigration than it currently has. The SNP has stated that for some time actually. The major issue within the country is of our own creation and its the South East drain. A massive amount of cash being spent on HS2 just highlights this even further - the start is connecting London from everywhere else - when in faif they started by connecting Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Birmingham it would probably have far greater effect.
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Don't mean this in a rude way but if people don't want to go to Scotland then what can be done? The whole of the EU have had the freedom to move the Scotland if they wanted to. Not only do we have very high net migration but it's concentrated in a relatively small % of the country.
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Agree, but in part its of our own making over decades as I stated. I actually agree with one of the posters above that has said it should be a devolved power to the regional Parliaments.
Plus why would you not want to move to Scotland, I moved to Edinburgh from the North West and its great
posted on 21/5/18
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 16 minutes ago
80% think it's too high according to surveys.
Commonwealth countries will be happy to deal with us, money talks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
India has openly stated they are happy to have a FTA with the UK, they just want Freedom of Movement as part of the deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They want an increase in the number of work visas or something like that, very different to FOM. Having freedom of movement with a country of over 1 billion people and the amount of poverty that india has would be an absolute disaster!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.politico.eu/article/india-no-rush-to-do-bilateral-trade-deal-with-post-brexit-britain-commonwealth-eu-customs-union-external-tariffs/
Stated right here that they want freer movement of people and its a sticking point. They also see a trade deal with the EU as more important.
posted on 21/5/18
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 16 minutes ago
80% think it's too high according to surveys.
Commonwealth countries will be happy to deal with us, money talks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
India has openly stated they are happy to have a FTA with the UK, they just want Freedom of Movement as part of the deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They want an increase in the number of work visas or something like that, very different to FOM. Having freedom of movement with a country of over 1 billion people and the amount of poverty that india has would be an absolute disaster!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU/India FTA broke down as the UK (Theresa May) would not commit to FoM. Ironically talks with India are set to reopen without the UK.
Knowing migration is such a hot potato in the UK, potential trade partners will use this as leverage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correction, talks broke down due to increased visa applications (for Indians) not FoM.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is true but its a key point in any FTA - it also involves migration deals in terms of movement of labour.
It won't just be India that want this.
posted on 21/5/18
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Republik of Mancunia (U6779)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 16 minutes ago
80% think it's too high according to surveys.
Commonwealth countries will be happy to deal with us, money talks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
India has openly stated they are happy to have a FTA with the UK, they just want Freedom of Movement as part of the deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They want an increase in the number of work visas or something like that, very different to FOM. Having freedom of movement with a country of over 1 billion people and the amount of poverty that india has would be an absolute disaster!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The EU/India FTA broke down as the UK (Theresa May) would not commit to FoM. Ironically talks with India are set to reopen without the UK.
Knowing migration is such a hot potato in the UK, potential trade partners will use this as leverage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Correction, talks broke down due to increased visa applications (for Indians) not FoM.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is true but its a key point in any FTA - it also involves migration deals in terms of movement of labour.
It won't just be India that want this.
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100%. Each and every trading partner will be asking for either FoM or a significant increase/waivers in visas.
Even if some don't it will undoubtedly be used to leverage negotiations.
posted on 21/5/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour ago
What do you mean by "going wrong"? Can you explain that please?
............
This just for starters.
Uncontrolled immigration of refugees. Leading to the terror attacks we have recently seen.
I can do this all day with you, if yo want Rosso, if you want to try being a smart ar$e.
You know fully well what has been going wrong with the EU, as you are not a stupid poster.
Here is another. EU fishing rules being blatantly ignored by one of its major nations. I am sure you did not miss that.
The single currency. Probably Gordon Browns best decision was to keep out of it.
The EU NATO Countries not doing their share, apart from the UK funnily enough.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not remotely trying to be a smart arsse, VC.
I'm just stating that a comment as general as the EU is "going wrong" requires some justification, because from where I'm sitting - and I think many people across the UK, Europe and beyond would agree with me - it simply isn't.
It has its flaws: it could be more democratically transparent and representative (although it is already more so than UK governance); it could be a little less ideological when a bit of pragmatism in certain policy areas would go a long way (again, the same could be said of UK government); it could do with a huge PR and communications overhaul; and the list goes on.
But are the lives of the majority of Europeans better off for its existence? On balance, I'd say yes, in many ways. And for me, it's a very big shame the UK won't be part of the ongoing discussions on the reform and development of the bloc going forwards.
posted on 21/5/18
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posted on 21/5/18
The UK also has more opt outs than any other member state. Visa and asylum for instance, both Ireland and the UK have different models (given geographical location) than on mainland Europe.
http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/who-does-what/more-information/explaining-the-rules-why-are-there-eu-rules-and-national-rules_en
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comment by Always NPE - 1,000,002 (U20804)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
The UK also has more opt outs than any other member state. Visa and asylum for instance, both Ireland and the UK have different models (given geographical location) than on mainland Europe.
http://ec.europa.eu/immigration/who-does-what/more-information/explaining-the-rules-why-are-there-eu-rules-and-national-rules_en
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This is a fallacious argument and you know it mate
Though it is kind that the German Empire gives its vassals some lie way
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"Exceptions to EU-wide rules
EU-wide immigration rules generally apply in 25 out of the EU’s 28 countries. The following exceptions apply:
Denmark does not apply EU-wide rules which relate to immigration, visa and asylum policies.
Ireland and the United Kingdom choose, on a case-by-case basis, whether or not to adopt EU rules on immigration, visa and asylum policies."
posted on 21/5/18
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posted on 21/5/18
AFTP is more like the people he hates than he realises
posted on 21/5/18
Are you part of antifa?
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 minutes ago
The last time The EU failed, World War II took place.
Brexiters seem happy for it to go down that path again.
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Belter!
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The EU in its present form was not formed until after the war agreed. But for centuries European countries with their empires had formed alliances. Come the 1930s Europe had divided into lots of nationalistic countries, Britain included, and we all know what happened next.
The Nationalistic Brexit fanatics seem to want Europe to follow the same outcome.
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😂😂😂😂
For centuries European countries formed alliances?? Yeah... To attack someone else.
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Is that not Sandys point? The fact nobody is attacking anybody, that we're experiencing the longest European peace in history.
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The EU hasn't stopped any wars, nuclear weapons have.
No country is history that has nuclear weapons has ever been invaded. Many situations that would have otherwise escalated into wars, North Korea US being the latest, have instead turned to the negotiating table rather than 100,000's lives being lost.
Nuclear weapons are both the best and worst thing to happen to our species
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