Kung fu
Quick response to your posts and quotes.
Corbyn and Mcdonnell supported the nutters in pira, and it is in no way similar to Trump meeting Kim, as neither support the other, Yet?๐and
I witnessed Corbyn address pira crowds in London, and if you want peace, you meet both sides, and he shunned loyalists, unionists and moderate Irish nationalists who advised him his pira support made matters worse.I
Should Tories be addressing uvf, or NF or EDL marchers, then wondering why objectivity is questioned?
McDonnell still has a republican h block pic on his Hayes office wall.Imagine a Tory having a far right BF prisoner pic, or a Labour guy having a daesh prisoners picture?I
Today, jezza condemns his old ra comrades, but he backed them, long before the peace campaign, of which he played no part.
Even this month, corbyn did not meet pira victims on his Belfast visit, and he refused to set up party here, and just about met local Labour folk.
His old Marxist dogma was an enemy of the British in the ra, and he embraced that cause, even as bombs were set off in London....and working class people surrendered in NI.
On Israel, I simply support their right to exist, free from murder, after persecution for centuries.The holocaust changed everything for the Jewish people, needing a safe homeland, as nobody could guarantee their safety!could
Now, that is not me saying the IDF can do what they wish.
Hostile neighbours who tried to wipe Israel out, lost the seven day war, for example, and now some want to drive jews into the sea.
Borders, land grabs, war, ethnic cleansing, and human nature all make us what we are, and where we live.
Sadly, winners and losers since time began,,and the Jewish people decided to take control of their destiny, in a hostile world.
That does not mean I give Israel a blank cheque, as if my views matter.
Just giving opinion.
this does'nt need to end ere
On Israel, I simply support their right to exist, free from murder, after persecution for centuries.The holocaust changed everything for the Jewish people, needing a safe homeland, as nobody could guarantee their safety!could
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The problem is that it’s they who have turned full circle from the persecuted to the persecutors. They don’t just defend, they steal land,and murder.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 week ago
Kung fu
Quick response to your posts and quotes.
Corbyn and Mcdonnell supported the nutters in pira, and it is in no way similar to Trump meeting Kim, as neither support the other, Yet?๐and
I witnessed Corbyn address pira crowds in London, and if you want peace, you meet both sides, and he shunned loyalists, unionists and moderate Irish nationalists who advised him his pira support made matters worse.I
Should Tories be addressing uvf, or NF or EDL marchers, then wondering why objectivity is questioned?
McDonnell still has a republican h block pic on his Hayes office wall.Imagine a Tory having a far right BF prisoner pic, or a Labour guy having a daesh prisoners picture?I
Today, jezza condemns his old ra comrades, but he backed them, long before the peace campaign, of which he played no part.
Even this month, corbyn did not meet pira victims on his Belfast visit, and he refused to set up party here, and just about met local Labour folk.
His old Marxist dogma was an enemy of the British in the ra, and he embraced that cause, even as bombs were set off in London....and working class people surrendered in NI.
On Israel, I simply support their right to exist, free from murder, after persecution for centuries.The holocaust changed everything for the Jewish people, needing a safe homeland, as nobody could guarantee their safety!could
Now, that is not me saying the IDF can do what they wish.
Hostile neighbours who tried to wipe Israel out, lost the seven day war, for example, and now some want to drive jews into the sea.
Borders, land grabs, war, ethnic cleansing, and human nature all make us what we are, and where we live.
Sadly, winners and losers since time began,,and the Jewish people decided to take control of their destiny, in a hostile world.
That does not mean I give Israel a blank cheque, as if my views matter.
Just giving opinion.
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Sorry took a while before I could sit down and find my sources again.
I'm not going to pretend to know more than you as far as Ireland is concerned. I'll have to read up more about what Corbyns involvement was before I can definitely back his character as a human being.
As far as Israel is concerned I have more than enough information.
The simple fact is regardless to what happened to the Jews in WW2 it had nothing to do with the Palestinians. Furthermore an atrocity in one part of the globe doesn't justify a similar atrocity by the same people on another people.
The permission of the Palestinians was not asked for before the partition, how do you justify not asking the permission of the people who inhabit a land before taking it away. You are a supporter of the brxit referendum are you not? Well then how can you show such double standards with another people right to self determination?
Muslims and Jews were able to live peacefully with Christians for hundreds of years on that land without any Hamas types killing civilians. Ask your self why it’s happened now?
Three reason are usually used to justify the creation of Israel.
A) God gave us this land.
B) The jews need a home land for their own security.
C) We were here before the Arabs/Muslim.
If it's reason A then why are we entertaining religious law over the law of global human rights? Isn't this what we are told when Islam is part of the argument?
Furthermore why should Palestinians hand over their land, homes and sovereignty because another Holy Book they don't believe in said they shouldn't be there?
My last point is that the Jewish bible clearly prohibits any Jews coming back to Israel before the return of their Messiah.
This isn't something I agree with because I'm not Jewish, I believe any Jew can live in Palestine as long as they buy the house or land they want to live in/on.
If reason B is used then why should the Palestinians have to pay the price for a genocide which happened in Europe at the hands of Europeans?
Shouldn't a piece of Germany be carved out for a Jewish state?
Unless you wan't to refer back to reason A and that a Jewish homeland should only be in Palestine because of religious reasons? In which that caused be used as justification because ones religion shouldn’t be imposed on others, right? Also why was the original plan to have Israel in Uganda even entertained, would you have supported an Israeli state in Africa, how would you have justified the genocide of Africans?
If then use reason C, the we were here before them argument then it would be totally justifiable to kick out all the Jews AND Arabs from Palestine/Israel to make way for the descendants of the Canaanites who inhabited that land before Moses (pbuh) split the Red Sea.
There is a double standard at play when you talk about Israels right to exist, I guarantee you would never support a state established in such a way today.
Not only did the zionists of that time expel 800,000 Arabs in exactly the same way the n@zi’s expelled Jews, they also massacred entire villages in much the same way the N@zi’s massacred Jews. Cases of such as the massacre of the village of Deir Yassin, there were instances of rape and mutilation before death.
Entire generations of Christian and Muslim Arab refugees numbering in the millions have been unable to return to their homes because of the racist notion that only Jews are able to live on that land. They still have the keys and deeds to their homes which have been taken over by zionists. The same is now happening in the West Bank on a daily basis.
Not only this but terrorist cells like the Irgun also blew up hotels killing civilians as well as British soldiers to achieve their aims of an Israeli state.
http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/550940?imagelist=1
Would you stand for this if it happened today?
To solidify my argument that the zionists who founded Israel were after the extermination and expulsion of Palestinians, lets read some of Ben Gurions quotes.
Ben Gurion, the first PM of Israel and one of it’s founders had this to say….
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the N@zis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
– David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.”
David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.” –Ben Gurion
“If it was permissible to move an Arab from the Galilee to Judea, why it is impossible to move an Arab from Hebron to Transjordan, which is much closer? There are vast expanses of land there and we are over crowded….Even the High Commission agrees to a transfer to Transjordan if we equip the peasants with land and money. If the Peel Commission and the London Government accept, we’ll remove the land problem from the agenda.”
12 July 1937, Ben-Gurion entered in his diary: “The compulsory transfer of the Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet during the days of the First and Second Temple”
– a Galilee free from Arab population.
27 July 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos: “We have never wanted to dispossess the Arabs [but] because Britain is giving them part of the country which had been promised to us, it is fair that the Arabs in our state be transferred to the Arab portion”
“We must expel Arabs and take their places.”—David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”—David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”—David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
This is just one person in their history who has said such despicable things, I can give you more.
My question to you is, why do you support these views?
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comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 7 hours, 9 minutes ago
KFC, when I see these replies I miss the USA thread we participated in. I haven't had a proper read of this response so no comment on the content.
I love how TBAB writes a "quick response" which become Tolstoy novel-length posts from both of you hehe.
Hope you and yours are well. Do you ever have contact with Zlatanariyan (sp?) who also used to post a lot on that thread? He had a sick son if I recall. I haven't seen him post on ja606 for a long time. Please pass on my best wishes if you do keep in touch with him.
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Kfc's was bigger๐
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐ฒ๐ฆ ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๐๐ผ ๐ต๐ธ (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 week ago
Kung fu
Quick response to your posts and quotes.
Corbyn and Mcdonnell supported the nutters in pira, and it is in no way similar to Trump meeting Kim, as neither support the other, Yet?๐and
I witnessed Corbyn address pira crowds in London, and if you want peace, you meet both sides, and he shunned loyalists, unionists and moderate Irish nationalists who advised him his pira support made matters worse.I
Should Tories be addressing uvf, or NF or EDL marchers, then wondering why objectivity is questioned?
McDonnell still has a republican h block pic on his Hayes office wall.Imagine a Tory having a far right BF prisoner pic, or a Labour guy having a daesh prisoners picture?I
Today, jezza condemns his old ra comrades, but he backed them, long before the peace campaign, of which he played no part.
Even this month, corbyn did not meet pira victims on his Belfast visit, and he refused to set up party here, and just about met local Labour folk.
His old Marxist dogma was an enemy of the British in the ra, and he embraced that cause, even as bombs were set off in London....and working class people surrendered in NI.
On Israel, I simply support their right to exist, free from murder, after persecution for centuries.The holocaust changed everything for the Jewish people, needing a safe homeland, as nobody could guarantee their safety!could
Now, that is not me saying the IDF can do what they wish.
Hostile neighbours who tried to wipe Israel out, lost the seven day war, for example, and now some want to drive jews into the sea.
Borders, land grabs, war, ethnic cleansing, and human nature all make us what we are, and where we live.
Sadly, winners and losers since time began,,and the Jewish people decided to take control of their destiny, in a hostile world.
That does not mean I give Israel a blank cheque, as if my views matter.
Just giving opinion.
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Sorry took a while before I could sit down and find my sources again.
I'm not going to pretend to know more than you as far as Ireland is concerned. I'll have to read up more about what Corbyns involvement was before I can definitely back his character as a human being.
As far as Israel is concerned I have more than enough information.
The simple fact is regardless to what happened to the Jews in WW2 it had nothing to do with the Palestinians. Furthermore an atrocity in one part of the globe doesn't justify a similar atrocity by the same people on another people.
The permission of the Palestinians was not asked for before the partition, how do you justify not asking the permission of the people who inhabit a land before taking it away. You are a supporter of the brxit referendum are you not? Well then how can you show such double standards with another people right to self determination?
Muslims and Jews were able to live peacefully with Christians for hundreds of years on that land without any Hamas types killing civilians. Ask your self why it’s happened now?
Three reason are usually used to justify the creation of Israel.
A) God gave us this land.
B) The jews need a home land for their own security.
C) We were here before the Arabs/Muslim.
If it's reason A then why are we entertaining religious law over the law of global human rights? Isn't this what we are told when Islam is part of the argument?
Furthermore why should Palestinians hand over their land, homes and sovereignty because another Holy Book they don't believe in said they shouldn't be there?
My last point is that the Jewish bible clearly prohibits any Jews coming back to Israel before the return of their Messiah.
This isn't something I agree with because I'm not Jewish, I believe any Jew can live in Palestine as long as they buy the house or land they want to live in/on.
If reason B is used then why should the Palestinians have to pay the price for a genocide which happened in Europe at the hands of Europeans?
Shouldn't a piece of Germany be carved out for a Jewish state?
Unless you wan't to refer back to reason A and that a Jewish homeland should only be in Palestine because of religious reasons? In which that caused be used as justification because ones religion shouldn’t be imposed on others, right? Also why was the original plan to have Israel in Uganda even entertained, would you have supported an Israeli state in Africa, how would you have justified the genocide of Africans?
If then use reason C, the we were here before them argument then it would be totally justifiable to kick out all the Jews AND Arabs from Palestine/Israel to make way for the descendants of the Canaanites who inhabited that land before Moses (pbuh) split the Red Sea.
There is a double standard at play when you talk about Israels right to exist, I guarantee you would never support a state established in such a way today.
Not only did the zionists of that time expel 800,000 Arabs in exactly the same way the n@zi’s expelled Jews, they also massacred entire villages in much the same way the N@zi’s massacred Jews. Cases of such as the massacre of the village of Deir Yassin, there were instances of rape and mutilation before death.
Entire generations of Christian and Muslim Arab refugees numbering in the millions have been unable to return to their homes because of the racist notion that only Jews are able to live on that land. They still have the keys and deeds to their homes which have been taken over by zionists. The same is now happening in the West Bank on a daily basis.
Not only this but terrorist cells like the Irgun also blew up hotels killing civilians as well as British soldiers to achieve their aims of an Israeli state.
http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/550940?imagelist=1
Would you stand for this if it happened today?
To solidify my argument that the zionists who founded Israel were after the extermination and expulsion of Palestinians, lets read some of Ben Gurions quotes.
Ben Gurion, the first PM of Israel and one of it’s founders had this to say….
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the N@zis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
– David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.”
David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.” –Ben Gurion
“If it was permissible to move an Arab from the Galilee to Judea, why it is impossible to move an Arab from Hebron to Transjordan, which is much closer? There are vast expanses of land there and we are over crowded….Even the High Commission agrees to a transfer to Transjordan if we equip the peasants with land and money. If the Peel Commission and the London Government accept, we’ll remove the land problem from the agenda.”
12 July 1937, Ben-Gurion entered in his diary: “The compulsory transfer of the Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet during the days of the First and Second Temple”
– a Galilee free from Arab population.
27 July 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos: “We have never wanted to dispossess the Arabs [but] because Britain is giving them part of the country which had been promised to us, it is fair that the Arabs in our state be transferred to the Arab portion”
“We must expel Arabs and take their places.”—David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”—David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”—David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
This is just one person in their history who has said such despicable things, I can give you more.
My question to you is, why do you support these views?
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๐For the work involved there.
I will respond bud, as quickly as possible, as there is quite a bit there, requiring more then my usual off the top of my head quick response๐
Just a quickie๐
Combining both topics, to a degree.
My wife was on a kibutz in 1990 and spoke to an older Israeli lady who told her about Irish republicans support for the Israeli side decades ago.....of course, that was when Israeli militant gangs were attacking the brits.
Today, or in recent years, the green side here fly Palestinian flags, and the orange boys erect Israeli flags on lamposts.
A documentary interviewed guys from here, Israel and Palestine, and the middle eastern participants were bemused by our proxy partisan war๐
I wonder if there are many Ulster, union or Irish flags put up in Israeli-Palestinian interfaces?
comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 15 hours, 10 minutes ago
KFC, when I see these replies I miss the USA thread we participated in. I haven't had a proper read of this response so no comment on the content.
I love how TBAB writes a "quick response" which become Tolstoy novel-length posts from both of you hehe.
Hope you and yours are well. Do you ever have contact with Zlatanariyan (sp?) who also used to post a lot on that thread? He had a sick son if I recall. I haven't seen him post on ja606 for a long time. Please pass on my best wishes if you do keep in touch with him.
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Haven’t seen much of Zlat around here for a while mate unless he’s using another user name...
What was your old user name I don’t recognise your current one? ๐ค
Yeah the long responses are my weakness espeacially when Islam is the topic. I strongly believe in what I follow, which is why I can back it up and take criticism without ignoring or filtering people. I like being challenged on my ideas because if I can defeat the criticism with evidence it solidifies my faith further as well as my political ideas.. I’m just not a person who can follow something without something substantial backing it up, which is why I can write forever.
Even if people ignore my rebuttals I still have enquisitive people like you reading the comments, so hopefully some of this info filters through
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐ฒ๐ฆ ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๐๐ผ ๐ต๐ธ (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 15 hours, 10 minutes ago
KFC, when I see these replies I miss the USA thread we participated in. I haven't had a proper read of this response so no comment on the content.
I love how TBAB writes a "quick response" which become Tolstoy novel-length posts from both of you hehe.
Hope you and yours are well. Do you ever have contact with Zlatanariyan (sp?) who also used to post a lot on that thread? He had a sick son if I recall. I haven't seen him post on ja606 for a long time. Please pass on my best wishes if you do keep in touch with him.
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Haven’t seen much of Zlat around here for a while mate unless he’s using another user name...
What was your old user name I don’t recognise your current one? ๐ค
Yeah the long responses are my weakness espeacially when Islam is the topic. I strongly believe in what I follow, which is why I can back it up and take criticism without ignoring or filtering people. I like being challenged on my ideas because if I can defeat the criticism with evidence it solidifies my faith further as well as my political ideas.. I’m just not a person who can follow something without something substantial backing it up, which is why I can write forever.
Even if people ignore my rebuttals I still have enquisitive people like you reading the comments, so hopefully some of this info filters through
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I for one always enjoy reading your posts as I have only a little knowledge of islam, but have always been interested in faith, religion and spirituality......
In Ulster there are about 5000 Muslim people, but this community is growing, and we are reaching out to one another now.
Arlene Foster met Muslim leaders after Ramadan and we had a Refugee picnic in the park day in Belfast, for recent arrivals from conflict zones.Poor sods end up in Belfast๐
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Of course I remember you mate, I still remember the comment you made about a rare flower/plant which you tied into the existence of God.
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I’m pretty sure Rosso or another poster was asking where you’ed gone. Don’t go missing mate we need more contributors to this web page who don’t over indulge in crappy one liners.
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posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
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comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 15 hours, 10 minutes ago
KFC, when I see these replies I miss the USA thread we participated in. I haven't had a proper read of this response so no comment on the content.
I love how TBAB writes a "quick response" which become Tolstoy novel-length posts from both of you hehe.
Hope you and yours are well. Do you ever have contact with Zlatanariyan (sp?) who also used to post a lot on that thread? He had a sick son if I recall. I haven't seen him post on ja606 for a long time. Please pass on my best wishes if you do keep in touch with him.
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Haven’t seen much of Zlat around here for a while mate unless he’s using another user name...
What was your old user name I don’t recognise your current one? ๐ค
Yeah the long responses are my weakness espeacially when Islam is the topic. I strongly believe in what I follow, which is why I can back it up and take criticism without ignoring or filtering people. I like being challenged on my ideas because if I can defeat the criticism with evidence it solidifies my faith further as well as my political ideas.. I’m just not a person who can follow something without something substantial backing it up, which is why I can write forever.
Even if people ignore my rebuttals I still have enquisitive people like you reading the comments, so hopefully some of this info filters through
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The pesky username change claims another victim hehe.
I was Brightdave for about 5-6 years. In the last year or so I evolved into Dave NotSo Bright and then Rodney NotSo (thank you TBAB for the inspiration). I only became Dave Sanchez as a result of me impersonating Robb to wind up others on the United board after our CL run this season. Was highly amusing.
On the Anything goes politics thread I was the crazy science nerd son of an Anglican minister. In fact I still am, but don't open up as much as I did on that thread at times.
No worries if you don't remember me, because if you don't then it means I probably wasn't being too much of an antagonising jerk hehe.
Don't apologise for the long posts. I too have written exceedingly long posts at times on these types of threads. Longer posts aren't always a good thing, on this forum, but to ever get further than just scratching the surface of a topic, one liners that some use are meaningless. As TBAB rightly pointed out in his reply, it gives others, myself included, an opportunity to learn a bit.
Knowledge is power; and the pen is mightier than the sword, etc. Discussing/debating topics in a bit more depth with someone genuine instead of the typical WUM approach is great and I wish there was more of it.
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Always a good read....Son of a preacher man.๐
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I thought this would be an appropriate place to leave this....
"Palestinian protests broke out on Wednesday at a Bedouin village in the occupied West Bank facing Israeli demolition in what rights groups have condemned as a bid to expand Jewish settlement."
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-israel-palestinians-bedouin/protests-erupt-at-bedouin-village-israel-plans-to-demolish-idUKKBN1JU1RB
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posted on 17/6/18
Kung fu
Quick response to your posts and quotes.
Corbyn and Mcdonnell supported the nutters in pira, and it is in no way similar to Trump meeting Kim, as neither support the other, Yet?๐and
I witnessed Corbyn address pira crowds in London, and if you want peace, you meet both sides, and he shunned loyalists, unionists and moderate Irish nationalists who advised him his pira support made matters worse.I
Should Tories be addressing uvf, or NF or EDL marchers, then wondering why objectivity is questioned?
McDonnell still has a republican h block pic on his Hayes office wall.Imagine a Tory having a far right BF prisoner pic, or a Labour guy having a daesh prisoners picture?I
Today, jezza condemns his old ra comrades, but he backed them, long before the peace campaign, of which he played no part.
Even this month, corbyn did not meet pira victims on his Belfast visit, and he refused to set up party here, and just about met local Labour folk.
His old Marxist dogma was an enemy of the British in the ra, and he embraced that cause, even as bombs were set off in London....and working class people surrendered in NI.
On Israel, I simply support their right to exist, free from murder, after persecution for centuries.The holocaust changed everything for the Jewish people, needing a safe homeland, as nobody could guarantee their safety!could
Now, that is not me saying the IDF can do what they wish.
Hostile neighbours who tried to wipe Israel out, lost the seven day war, for example, and now some want to drive jews into the sea.
Borders, land grabs, war, ethnic cleansing, and human nature all make us what we are, and where we live.
Sadly, winners and losers since time began,,and the Jewish people decided to take control of their destiny, in a hostile world.
That does not mean I give Israel a blank cheque, as if my views matter.
Just giving opinion.
posted on 23/6/18
this does'nt need to end ere
posted on 23/6/18
On Israel, I simply support their right to exist, free from murder, after persecution for centuries.The holocaust changed everything for the Jewish people, needing a safe homeland, as nobody could guarantee their safety!could
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The problem is that it’s they who have turned full circle from the persecuted to the persecutors. They don’t just defend, they steal land,and murder.
posted on 25/6/18
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 week ago
Kung fu
Quick response to your posts and quotes.
Corbyn and Mcdonnell supported the nutters in pira, and it is in no way similar to Trump meeting Kim, as neither support the other, Yet?๐and
I witnessed Corbyn address pira crowds in London, and if you want peace, you meet both sides, and he shunned loyalists, unionists and moderate Irish nationalists who advised him his pira support made matters worse.I
Should Tories be addressing uvf, or NF or EDL marchers, then wondering why objectivity is questioned?
McDonnell still has a republican h block pic on his Hayes office wall.Imagine a Tory having a far right BF prisoner pic, or a Labour guy having a daesh prisoners picture?I
Today, jezza condemns his old ra comrades, but he backed them, long before the peace campaign, of which he played no part.
Even this month, corbyn did not meet pira victims on his Belfast visit, and he refused to set up party here, and just about met local Labour folk.
His old Marxist dogma was an enemy of the British in the ra, and he embraced that cause, even as bombs were set off in London....and working class people surrendered in NI.
On Israel, I simply support their right to exist, free from murder, after persecution for centuries.The holocaust changed everything for the Jewish people, needing a safe homeland, as nobody could guarantee their safety!could
Now, that is not me saying the IDF can do what they wish.
Hostile neighbours who tried to wipe Israel out, lost the seven day war, for example, and now some want to drive jews into the sea.
Borders, land grabs, war, ethnic cleansing, and human nature all make us what we are, and where we live.
Sadly, winners and losers since time began,,and the Jewish people decided to take control of their destiny, in a hostile world.
That does not mean I give Israel a blank cheque, as if my views matter.
Just giving opinion.
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Sorry took a while before I could sit down and find my sources again.
I'm not going to pretend to know more than you as far as Ireland is concerned. I'll have to read up more about what Corbyns involvement was before I can definitely back his character as a human being.
As far as Israel is concerned I have more than enough information.
The simple fact is regardless to what happened to the Jews in WW2 it had nothing to do with the Palestinians. Furthermore an atrocity in one part of the globe doesn't justify a similar atrocity by the same people on another people.
The permission of the Palestinians was not asked for before the partition, how do you justify not asking the permission of the people who inhabit a land before taking it away. You are a supporter of the brxit referendum are you not? Well then how can you show such double standards with another people right to self determination?
Muslims and Jews were able to live peacefully with Christians for hundreds of years on that land without any Hamas types killing civilians. Ask your self why it’s happened now?
Three reason are usually used to justify the creation of Israel.
A) God gave us this land.
B) The jews need a home land for their own security.
C) We were here before the Arabs/Muslim.
If it's reason A then why are we entertaining religious law over the law of global human rights? Isn't this what we are told when Islam is part of the argument?
Furthermore why should Palestinians hand over their land, homes and sovereignty because another Holy Book they don't believe in said they shouldn't be there?
My last point is that the Jewish bible clearly prohibits any Jews coming back to Israel before the return of their Messiah.
This isn't something I agree with because I'm not Jewish, I believe any Jew can live in Palestine as long as they buy the house or land they want to live in/on.
If reason B is used then why should the Palestinians have to pay the price for a genocide which happened in Europe at the hands of Europeans?
Shouldn't a piece of Germany be carved out for a Jewish state?
Unless you wan't to refer back to reason A and that a Jewish homeland should only be in Palestine because of religious reasons? In which that caused be used as justification because ones religion shouldn’t be imposed on others, right? Also why was the original plan to have Israel in Uganda even entertained, would you have supported an Israeli state in Africa, how would you have justified the genocide of Africans?
If then use reason C, the we were here before them argument then it would be totally justifiable to kick out all the Jews AND Arabs from Palestine/Israel to make way for the descendants of the Canaanites who inhabited that land before Moses (pbuh) split the Red Sea.
There is a double standard at play when you talk about Israels right to exist, I guarantee you would never support a state established in such a way today.
Not only did the zionists of that time expel 800,000 Arabs in exactly the same way the n@zi’s expelled Jews, they also massacred entire villages in much the same way the N@zi’s massacred Jews. Cases of such as the massacre of the village of Deir Yassin, there were instances of rape and mutilation before death.
Entire generations of Christian and Muslim Arab refugees numbering in the millions have been unable to return to their homes because of the racist notion that only Jews are able to live on that land. They still have the keys and deeds to their homes which have been taken over by zionists. The same is now happening in the West Bank on a daily basis.
Not only this but terrorist cells like the Irgun also blew up hotels killing civilians as well as British soldiers to achieve their aims of an Israeli state.
http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/550940?imagelist=1
Would you stand for this if it happened today?
To solidify my argument that the zionists who founded Israel were after the extermination and expulsion of Palestinians, lets read some of Ben Gurions quotes.
Ben Gurion, the first PM of Israel and one of it’s founders had this to say….
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the N@zis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
– David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.”
David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.” –Ben Gurion
“If it was permissible to move an Arab from the Galilee to Judea, why it is impossible to move an Arab from Hebron to Transjordan, which is much closer? There are vast expanses of land there and we are over crowded….Even the High Commission agrees to a transfer to Transjordan if we equip the peasants with land and money. If the Peel Commission and the London Government accept, we’ll remove the land problem from the agenda.”
12 July 1937, Ben-Gurion entered in his diary: “The compulsory transfer of the Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet during the days of the First and Second Temple”
– a Galilee free from Arab population.
27 July 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos: “We have never wanted to dispossess the Arabs [but] because Britain is giving them part of the country which had been promised to us, it is fair that the Arabs in our state be transferred to the Arab portion”
“We must expel Arabs and take their places.”—David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”—David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”—David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
This is just one person in their history who has said such despicable things, I can give you more.
My question to you is, why do you support these views?
posted on 25/6/18
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posted on 25/6/18
comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 7 hours, 9 minutes ago
KFC, when I see these replies I miss the USA thread we participated in. I haven't had a proper read of this response so no comment on the content.
I love how TBAB writes a "quick response" which become Tolstoy novel-length posts from both of you hehe.
Hope you and yours are well. Do you ever have contact with Zlatanariyan (sp?) who also used to post a lot on that thread? He had a sick son if I recall. I haven't seen him post on ja606 for a long time. Please pass on my best wishes if you do keep in touch with him.
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Kfc's was bigger๐
posted on 25/6/18
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐ฒ๐ฆ ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๐๐ผ ๐ต๐ธ (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 week ago
Kung fu
Quick response to your posts and quotes.
Corbyn and Mcdonnell supported the nutters in pira, and it is in no way similar to Trump meeting Kim, as neither support the other, Yet?๐and
I witnessed Corbyn address pira crowds in London, and if you want peace, you meet both sides, and he shunned loyalists, unionists and moderate Irish nationalists who advised him his pira support made matters worse.I
Should Tories be addressing uvf, or NF or EDL marchers, then wondering why objectivity is questioned?
McDonnell still has a republican h block pic on his Hayes office wall.Imagine a Tory having a far right BF prisoner pic, or a Labour guy having a daesh prisoners picture?I
Today, jezza condemns his old ra comrades, but he backed them, long before the peace campaign, of which he played no part.
Even this month, corbyn did not meet pira victims on his Belfast visit, and he refused to set up party here, and just about met local Labour folk.
His old Marxist dogma was an enemy of the British in the ra, and he embraced that cause, even as bombs were set off in London....and working class people surrendered in NI.
On Israel, I simply support their right to exist, free from murder, after persecution for centuries.The holocaust changed everything for the Jewish people, needing a safe homeland, as nobody could guarantee their safety!could
Now, that is not me saying the IDF can do what they wish.
Hostile neighbours who tried to wipe Israel out, lost the seven day war, for example, and now some want to drive jews into the sea.
Borders, land grabs, war, ethnic cleansing, and human nature all make us what we are, and where we live.
Sadly, winners and losers since time began,,and the Jewish people decided to take control of their destiny, in a hostile world.
That does not mean I give Israel a blank cheque, as if my views matter.
Just giving opinion.
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Sorry took a while before I could sit down and find my sources again.
I'm not going to pretend to know more than you as far as Ireland is concerned. I'll have to read up more about what Corbyns involvement was before I can definitely back his character as a human being.
As far as Israel is concerned I have more than enough information.
The simple fact is regardless to what happened to the Jews in WW2 it had nothing to do with the Palestinians. Furthermore an atrocity in one part of the globe doesn't justify a similar atrocity by the same people on another people.
The permission of the Palestinians was not asked for before the partition, how do you justify not asking the permission of the people who inhabit a land before taking it away. You are a supporter of the brxit referendum are you not? Well then how can you show such double standards with another people right to self determination?
Muslims and Jews were able to live peacefully with Christians for hundreds of years on that land without any Hamas types killing civilians. Ask your self why it’s happened now?
Three reason are usually used to justify the creation of Israel.
A) God gave us this land.
B) The jews need a home land for their own security.
C) We were here before the Arabs/Muslim.
If it's reason A then why are we entertaining religious law over the law of global human rights? Isn't this what we are told when Islam is part of the argument?
Furthermore why should Palestinians hand over their land, homes and sovereignty because another Holy Book they don't believe in said they shouldn't be there?
My last point is that the Jewish bible clearly prohibits any Jews coming back to Israel before the return of their Messiah.
This isn't something I agree with because I'm not Jewish, I believe any Jew can live in Palestine as long as they buy the house or land they want to live in/on.
If reason B is used then why should the Palestinians have to pay the price for a genocide which happened in Europe at the hands of Europeans?
Shouldn't a piece of Germany be carved out for a Jewish state?
Unless you wan't to refer back to reason A and that a Jewish homeland should only be in Palestine because of religious reasons? In which that caused be used as justification because ones religion shouldn’t be imposed on others, right? Also why was the original plan to have Israel in Uganda even entertained, would you have supported an Israeli state in Africa, how would you have justified the genocide of Africans?
If then use reason C, the we were here before them argument then it would be totally justifiable to kick out all the Jews AND Arabs from Palestine/Israel to make way for the descendants of the Canaanites who inhabited that land before Moses (pbuh) split the Red Sea.
There is a double standard at play when you talk about Israels right to exist, I guarantee you would never support a state established in such a way today.
Not only did the zionists of that time expel 800,000 Arabs in exactly the same way the n@zi’s expelled Jews, they also massacred entire villages in much the same way the N@zi’s massacred Jews. Cases of such as the massacre of the village of Deir Yassin, there were instances of rape and mutilation before death.
Entire generations of Christian and Muslim Arab refugees numbering in the millions have been unable to return to their homes because of the racist notion that only Jews are able to live on that land. They still have the keys and deeds to their homes which have been taken over by zionists. The same is now happening in the West Bank on a daily basis.
Not only this but terrorist cells like the Irgun also blew up hotels killing civilians as well as British soldiers to achieve their aims of an Israeli state.
http://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/550940?imagelist=1
Would you stand for this if it happened today?
To solidify my argument that the zionists who founded Israel were after the extermination and expulsion of Palestinians, lets read some of Ben Gurions quotes.
Ben Gurion, the first PM of Israel and one of it’s founders had this to say….
“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the N@zis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”
David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
– David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.”
David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.” –Ben Gurion
“If it was permissible to move an Arab from the Galilee to Judea, why it is impossible to move an Arab from Hebron to Transjordan, which is much closer? There are vast expanses of land there and we are over crowded….Even the High Commission agrees to a transfer to Transjordan if we equip the peasants with land and money. If the Peel Commission and the London Government accept, we’ll remove the land problem from the agenda.”
12 July 1937, Ben-Gurion entered in his diary: “The compulsory transfer of the Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet during the days of the First and Second Temple”
– a Galilee free from Arab population.
27 July 1937, Ben-Gurion wrote in a letter to his 16 year old son Amos: “We have never wanted to dispossess the Arabs [but] because Britain is giving them part of the country which had been promised to us, it is fair that the Arabs in our state be transferred to the Arab portion”
“We must expel Arabs and take their places.”—David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”—David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”—David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
This is just one person in their history who has said such despicable things, I can give you more.
My question to you is, why do you support these views?
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๐For the work involved there.
I will respond bud, as quickly as possible, as there is quite a bit there, requiring more then my usual off the top of my head quick response๐
posted on 25/6/18
Just a quickie๐
Combining both topics, to a degree.
My wife was on a kibutz in 1990 and spoke to an older Israeli lady who told her about Irish republicans support for the Israeli side decades ago.....of course, that was when Israeli militant gangs were attacking the brits.
Today, or in recent years, the green side here fly Palestinian flags, and the orange boys erect Israeli flags on lamposts.
A documentary interviewed guys from here, Israel and Palestine, and the middle eastern participants were bemused by our proxy partisan war๐
I wonder if there are many Ulster, union or Irish flags put up in Israeli-Palestinian interfaces?
posted on 25/6/18
comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 15 hours, 10 minutes ago
KFC, when I see these replies I miss the USA thread we participated in. I haven't had a proper read of this response so no comment on the content.
I love how TBAB writes a "quick response" which become Tolstoy novel-length posts from both of you hehe.
Hope you and yours are well. Do you ever have contact with Zlatanariyan (sp?) who also used to post a lot on that thread? He had a sick son if I recall. I haven't seen him post on ja606 for a long time. Please pass on my best wishes if you do keep in touch with him.
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Haven’t seen much of Zlat around here for a while mate unless he’s using another user name...
What was your old user name I don’t recognise your current one? ๐ค
Yeah the long responses are my weakness espeacially when Islam is the topic. I strongly believe in what I follow, which is why I can back it up and take criticism without ignoring or filtering people. I like being challenged on my ideas because if I can defeat the criticism with evidence it solidifies my faith further as well as my political ideas.. I’m just not a person who can follow something without something substantial backing it up, which is why I can write forever.
Even if people ignore my rebuttals I still have enquisitive people like you reading the comments, so hopefully some of this info filters through
posted on 25/6/18
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐ฒ๐ฆ ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๓ ง๐๐ผ ๐ต๐ธ (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 15 hours, 10 minutes ago
KFC, when I see these replies I miss the USA thread we participated in. I haven't had a proper read of this response so no comment on the content.
I love how TBAB writes a "quick response" which become Tolstoy novel-length posts from both of you hehe.
Hope you and yours are well. Do you ever have contact with Zlatanariyan (sp?) who also used to post a lot on that thread? He had a sick son if I recall. I haven't seen him post on ja606 for a long time. Please pass on my best wishes if you do keep in touch with him.
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Haven’t seen much of Zlat around here for a while mate unless he’s using another user name...
What was your old user name I don’t recognise your current one? ๐ค
Yeah the long responses are my weakness espeacially when Islam is the topic. I strongly believe in what I follow, which is why I can back it up and take criticism without ignoring or filtering people. I like being challenged on my ideas because if I can defeat the criticism with evidence it solidifies my faith further as well as my political ideas.. I’m just not a person who can follow something without something substantial backing it up, which is why I can write forever.
Even if people ignore my rebuttals I still have enquisitive people like you reading the comments, so hopefully some of this info filters through
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I for one always enjoy reading your posts as I have only a little knowledge of islam, but have always been interested in faith, religion and spirituality......
In Ulster there are about 5000 Muslim people, but this community is growing, and we are reaching out to one another now.
Arlene Foster met Muslim leaders after Ramadan and we had a Refugee picnic in the park day in Belfast, for recent arrivals from conflict zones.Poor sods end up in Belfast๐
posted on 25/6/18
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posted on 26/6/18
Of course I remember you mate, I still remember the comment you made about a rare flower/plant which you tied into the existence of God.
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I’m pretty sure Rosso or another poster was asking where you’ed gone. Don’t go missing mate we need more contributors to this web page who don’t over indulge in crappy one liners.
posted on 26/6/18
comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona ๐ฒ๐ฆ ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ฅ๓ ฎ๏ฟฝ... (U18082)
posted 4 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Dave Sanchez ๐ค๐ฆ๐ (U11711)
posted 15 hours, 10 minutes ago
KFC, when I see these replies I miss the USA thread we participated in. I haven't had a proper read of this response so no comment on the content.
I love how TBAB writes a "quick response" which become Tolstoy novel-length posts from both of you hehe.
Hope you and yours are well. Do you ever have contact with Zlatanariyan (sp?) who also used to post a lot on that thread? He had a sick son if I recall. I haven't seen him post on ja606 for a long time. Please pass on my best wishes if you do keep in touch with him.
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Haven’t seen much of Zlat around here for a while mate unless he’s using another user name...
What was your old user name I don’t recognise your current one? ๐ค
Yeah the long responses are my weakness espeacially when Islam is the topic. I strongly believe in what I follow, which is why I can back it up and take criticism without ignoring or filtering people. I like being challenged on my ideas because if I can defeat the criticism with evidence it solidifies my faith further as well as my political ideas.. I’m just not a person who can follow something without something substantial backing it up, which is why I can write forever.
Even if people ignore my rebuttals I still have enquisitive people like you reading the comments, so hopefully some of this info filters through
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The pesky username change claims another victim hehe.
I was Brightdave for about 5-6 years. In the last year or so I evolved into Dave NotSo Bright and then Rodney NotSo (thank you TBAB for the inspiration). I only became Dave Sanchez as a result of me impersonating Robb to wind up others on the United board after our CL run this season. Was highly amusing.
On the Anything goes politics thread I was the crazy science nerd son of an Anglican minister. In fact I still am, but don't open up as much as I did on that thread at times.
No worries if you don't remember me, because if you don't then it means I probably wasn't being too much of an antagonising jerk hehe.
Don't apologise for the long posts. I too have written exceedingly long posts at times on these types of threads. Longer posts aren't always a good thing, on this forum, but to ever get further than just scratching the surface of a topic, one liners that some use are meaningless. As TBAB rightly pointed out in his reply, it gives others, myself included, an opportunity to learn a bit.
Knowledge is power; and the pen is mightier than the sword, etc. Discussing/debating topics in a bit more depth with someone genuine instead of the typical WUM approach is great and I wish there was more of it.
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Always a good read....Son of a preacher man.๐
posted on 28/6/18
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posted on 7/7/18
I thought this would be an appropriate place to leave this....
"Palestinian protests broke out on Wednesday at a Bedouin village in the occupied West Bank facing Israeli demolition in what rights groups have condemned as a bid to expand Jewish settlement."
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-israel-palestinians-bedouin/protests-erupt-at-bedouin-village-israel-plans-to-demolish-idUKKBN1JU1RB
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