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Fred signs for £47m

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posted on 21/6/18

comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by RonaldVilliers - Rangers Scotland's only Septuple Treble Winners. (U21490)
posted 15 minutes ago
Mourinho can sign whoever he likes they won’t catch city while he’s in charge
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He caught Pep with a superior Barca team. It can happen but doesn't mean it will obviously.
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That real side was million times better than our current squad.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Life is short. Make the most of it. (U9094)
posted 4 minutes ago

Can’t say I’ve seen him play, so will reserve judgement until I do.
Is it too much to ask for others to do the same?

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Not sure anyone has passed judgement yet.

All I can see are the ret@rds from the City, Liverpool and Chelsea boards talking crap.

posted on 21/6/18

I realise this isn't Twitter but some of the Utd dweebs already comparing him to the best centre mid in the PL, N'Golo Kanté.

Flip sakes lads.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 9 seconds ago
I realise this isn't Twitter but some of the Utd dweebs already comparing him to the best centre mid in the PL, N'Golo Kanté.

Flip sakes lads.
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Ridiculous isn’t it?

Fred is far better.

posted on 21/6/18

I realise this isn't Twitter but some of the Utd dweebs already comparing him to the best centre mid in the PL, N'Golo Kanté.

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Yes, we have our fair share of utterly stupid fans as well.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 9 seconds ago
I realise this isn't Twitter but some of the Utd dweebs already comparing him to the best centre mid in the PL, N'Golo Kanté.

Flip sakes lads.
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Ridiculous isn’t it?

Fred is far better.
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Fabinho eats freddos for breakfast

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 9 seconds ago
I realise this isn't Twitter but some of the Utd dweebs already comparing him to the best centre mid in the PL, N'Golo Kanté.

Flip sakes lads.
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Ridiculous isn’t it?

Fred is far better.
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Fabinho eats freddos for breakfast
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Fab-who?

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 9 seconds ago
I realise this isn't Twitter but some of the Utd dweebs already comparing him to the best centre mid in the PL, N'Golo Kanté.

Flip sakes lads.
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Ridiculous isn’t it?

Fred is far better.
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Fabinho eats freddos for breakfast
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Needs to try rat. Speciality in dipperville isn't it?

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 9 seconds ago
I realise this isn't Twitter but some of the Utd dweebs already comparing him to the best centre mid in the PL, N'Golo Kanté.

Flip sakes lads.
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Ridiculous isn’t it?

Fred is far better.
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Fabinho eats freddos for breakfast
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Fab-who?
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That player you were after before you ended up with Matic.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 9 seconds ago
I realise this isn't Twitter but some of the Utd dweebs already comparing him to the best centre mid in the PL, N'Golo Kanté.

Flip sakes lads.
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Ridiculous isn’t it?

Fred is far better.
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Fabinho eats freddos for breakfast
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Fab-who?
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The panic buy who was signed when Can was head hunted by Juve

posted on 21/6/18

That player you were after before you ended up with Matic.

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If we were after him that much we would have got him.

posted on 21/6/18

This from the Mail

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HOW FRED WILL FIT IN AT UNITED
Where does Fred play and what type of player is he?

Asked to describe his manner of playing a couple of years ago, Fred put it rather nicely: 'I am a conductor.'

Well, the United orchestra has been out of tune for some time under Mourinho and they'll hope and pray Fred is the midfield virtuoso that can get them back on song next season.

He is commonly described as a box-to-box midfielder, a dynamic player who offers both defensive and offensive attributes, a disruptor and a creator rolled into one.

Mourinho has signed a versatile asset - Fred was originally a left back before being converted into midfield when he signed for Internacional in his homeland in 2011.

Because he is comfortable on both feet, Fred had been deployed as an attacking midfielder at times during his career before settling into a central or deeper midfield role.

The most important thing for United is that he is quick to spark attacks by carrying the ball from defence and feeding the attacking players.

They have been crying out for something like this for a while - all too often last season United were sluggish breaking forward, allowing opponents to track back and regroup.

Fred's speed of both feet and thought, plus his passing range, should help United be speedier in their transitions from front to back next season.

What are Fred's strengths?

We've already mentioned versatility, speed in transition and passing capability with both feet.

Naturally as a Brazilian, he boasts plenty of technical ability and can beat an opponent on the dribble, while another key attribute is that Fred possesses plenty of stamina to fulfil the box-to-box job.

Mourinho will also be satisfied that Fred can put in a defensive shift if United find themselves under the cosh.

At Shakhtar, he earned the trust of coach Paulo Fonseca, who allowed him to freely perform both the defensive and offensive duties of a midfielder.

It remains to be seen if Mourinho, who often puts the tactical straitjacket on his players, will give him such liberty.

Funnily enough, Fred revealed in 2016 that his role model was compatriot Fernandinho, who will of course play across town at Manchester City next season.

But actually a better comparison might be with Chelsea's N'Golo Kante in terms of that box-to-box stamina, adaptability and dynamism. If he turns out to be a Kante, United fans will be pretty chuffed.

And what about his weaknesses?

He only stands 5ft 7in tall, so don't expect Fred to be winning too many headers.

But he more than makes up for that in terms of tenacity - he was Shakhtar's most prolific tackler in the Champions League last season with an average of 2.9 per game (Kante's average was 3.3).

However, United should be wary that this tenacity can sometimes spill over into ill-discipline. He received 14 yellow cards and one red in 29 games for the Ukrainian side last season.

The other concern is that while Fred has played 39 European matches for Shakhtar, the Ukrainian Premier League isn't exactly at the same standard of the Premier League.

United fans may have to be patient while the Brazilian gets up to speed next season, especially as he'll probably be entering the campaign off the back of a lengthy run at the World Cup in Russia.

How will he fit into a 4-3-3 system at United?

Mourinho went with a 4-3-3 formation in a good number of United's matches last season and this would appear to be the best solution when it comes to accommodating both Fred and Paul Pogba in the midfield.

He would play either in the middle or on the right of the midfield three alongside Nemanja Matic, with Pogba stationed on the left.

Some of Pogba's best performances for United have come from this left-sided station and potentially Fred could offer the answer when it comes to belatedly getting the best out of the Frenchman at United.

The key is in the link-up and transition between the deep-lying Matic and the rampaging Pogba, plus a forward line of Jesse Lingard, Alexis Sanchez and Romelu Lukaku further on.

There should be a good balance about United's midfield with Fred aiding Matic in the defensive responsibilities when required and then springing Pogba.

The idea is that the speed of these transitions will give United the thrust going forward they have so often lacked under Mourinho.

How will he fit into a 4-2-3-1 system at United?

In certain games, Mourinho will revert to the tried and trusted 4-2-3-1, with Fred likely to sit in alongside Matic in defensive midfield.

This would be a more conservative role, with opportunities to break forward more limited, but Fred is certainly capable of the tactical discipline Mourinho would want with this set-up.

One of the chief criticisms of Pogba - and a reason why the youngster Scott McTominay was drafted in for big games last season - was that he lacked this discipline and would over-complicate things.

Problem is, it's now hard to see how they all could be accommodated in this formation and Pogba could well be seeing more of the United bench.

Reason being that United have so many decent attacking options Pogba wouldn't slot in.

Who is going to make way?

In the 4-3-3, the man who looks like he has the most to lose is Ander Herrera.

The Spaniard was drafted in to try to solve the Pogba conundrum but, though his passing is excellent, he struggles in the midfield battle.

Fred has a far greater dynamism in this regard - he's also quicker, more skilful, more tenacious and more attack-minded - so you have to fear for Herrera.

Mind you, given the sheer volume of matches United will have to get through domestically and in the Champions League next season, plus the inevitable injuries and suspensions, Herrera will no doubt still feature at times.

Is Fred the man to get the best out of Pogba?

Having spent two seasons trying to figure out the Pogba equation, Mourinho will certainly hope that is the case.

As explained, Fred should have the attributes to fit in as the link-man between Matic and Pogba, theoretically allowing the £89m man to forget defensive duties and concentrate on aiding United's attack.

It may take a few matches, a few months even, for Fred and Pogba to get used to playing alongside one another. They may well thread on each other's toes at first.

What Mourinho should have here is the ideal man to bring the best out of Pogba in an attacking sense. If that doesn't happen, then United may have to cut their losses.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 14 minutes ago
That player you were after before you ended up with Matic.

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If we were after him that much we would have got him.
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Not necessarily.

posted on 21/6/18

Not necessarily.

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Pretty much. We obviously were not that interested if he is much better than Matic.

posted on 21/6/18

I was keen on Fabinho last summer but it was quite obvious Jose had no interest. Fabinhonwas whoring himself out to us saying it would be a dream to play at old Trafford but nothing ever came of it.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Don't understand why Utd fans get on their high horse because city came into money. The majority of Utd fans are glory hunters when it really comes down to it.
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Because City are better?

posted on 21/6/18

posted 2 minutes ago

comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Don't understand why Utd fans get on their high horse because city came into money. The majority of Utd fans are glory hunters when it really comes down to it.
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Because City are better?

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Probably because we have a bit of a rivalry thing going. Sort of like we do with Liverpool. Sort of similar to Spurs and Arsenal and Liverpool and Everton. Even Bristol City and Bristol Rovers.

You wouldn't get it because no one really cares about Chelsea. Not even Fulham.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
posted 2 minutes ago

comment by The Chavy One (U12176)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Don't understand why Utd fans get on their high horse because city came into money. The majority of Utd fans are glory hunters when it really comes down to it.
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Because City are better?

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Probably because we have a bit of a rivalry thing going. Sort of like we do with Liverpool. Sort of similar to Spurs and Arsenal and Liverpool and Everton. Even Bristol City and Bristol Rovers.

You wouldn't get it because no one really cares about Chelsea. Not even Fulham.
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Most of their current supporters didn’t care about them before Abramovic.

The irony of the glory hunters jibe is brilliant.

posted on 21/6/18

Most of their current supporters didn’t care about them before Abramovic.

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Very true.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
I was keen on Fabinho last summer but it was quite obvious Jose had no interest. Fabinhonwas whoring himself out to us saying it would be a dream to play at old Trafford but nothing ever came of it.
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He looks a good player who we actually needed (even if only at full back rather than midfield). Strange why we never went in for him when he was obviously available.

posted on 21/6/18

United announced earlier this month they had agreed a deal with Shakhtar, which Sky Sports News understands to be in the region of £52m plus bonuses, but had been waiting for Fred to be granted a work permit.

It is understood the bonuses could take the deal to around £61.2m - this would make him United's third most expensive signing of all time behind Paul Pogba and Romelu Lukaku.

Bit much for the Brazilian Joe Allen isn't it? i know hes just signed a new Stoke deal but surely could you have persuaded him to leave the Championship club and got a better player for below 10m.

posted on 21/6/18

Bit much for the Brazilian Joe Allen isn't it?

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Time will tell.

I suspect he might be a bit better than Joe Allen.

posted on 21/6/18

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
Bit much for the Brazilian Joe Allen isn't it?

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Time will tell.

I suspect he might be a bit better than Joe Allen.
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Law of averages

posted on 21/6/18

He is no luka modric

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