How ridiculously stupid to include Mo Salah in this conversation? You can't be a candidate for this award when your club/country won feck all and you just barely qualified fir the cl
Messi to put two past Nigeria. Qualify
Get into the second round, qf and ultimately lose to spain
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 minutes ago
Salah
You mean the guy who guided his team to 4th in the league
Win zero trophies and
His team were first to be eliminated?
Should not be mentioned in rhe same sentence as World player of the year
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team awards have nothing to do with it you pleb
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 minutes ago
Salah
You mean the guy who guided his team to 4th in the league
Win zero trophies and
His team were first to be eliminated?
Should not be mentioned in rhe same sentence as World player of the year
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team awards have nothing to do with it you pleb
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Read what I put you pleb.
I have never said its a team award. However more often than not a player from a team that has actually won something wins the award
World Cup years can have a freak impact on these awards. Remember when Cannavaro one it on the basis of being the most leader-y player in an Italian team that lacked an obvious star?
If Portugal don't go deep into the competition and if Ronaldo doesn't win the Golden Boot, you never know. If e.g. Croatia battled through to the semi-finals, Modric (also a fine performer in the CL winning Real) for one could be in with a shout.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
World Cup years can have a freak impact on these awards. Remember when Cannavaro one it on the basis of being the most leader-y player in an Italian team that lacked an obvious star?
If Portugal don't go deep into the competition and if Ronaldo doesn't win the Golden Boot, you never know. If e.g. Croatia battled through to the semi-finals, Modric (also a fine performer in the CL winning Real) for one could be in with a shout.
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Modric for Croatia, De Bruyne for Belgium, maybe even Griezemann for France could be in with a shout depending on the world cup.
He was excellent. But we are talking about the very best of which he wasn't. End of the day his teams have won absolutely nothing which 9 times out of 10 is what is judged on
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true but I guess im putting more weight on individual performances, he was brilliant last year
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 36 seconds ago
He was excellent. But we are talking about the very best of which he wasn't. End of the day his teams have won absolutely nothing which 9 times out of 10 is what is judged on
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true but I guess im putting more weight on individual performances, he was brilliant last year
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So were ronaldo and messi and their teams have won something which generally is what sways the decisions. If liverpool had won cl or salah had a fantastic wc then things may have been different
It would obviously be hugely unlikely, but would Kane be in with a shout if England won it and he top-scored?
Modric once he leads Croatia to the World Cup
Funny thing, this, but I really couldn't care less about player of the year awards at any level.
Never have and never will.
Cheers for your input VC
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I am sure there are others who feel the same way.
Football is a team game.
Something the 'duh merchants' are getting worse and worse at considering, as each generation of them has emerged.
Society itself is becoming increasingly ego-centric - in the behaviour of its members. The idea of a 'team sport' is becoming increasing misunderstood, and the qualities of those that engage in it, less appreciated as a result.
The best players are the ones that bring out the best in all their team mates. Messi should even have been in with a look in on that basis, but who cares anyway. The 'fanboy mentality' is rife and plaguing us all.
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
Who cares??
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Inclined to agree. It's like the Oscars, it really only means something to the guy he wins it, or other people who might be in the running.
Don't quite get why people get so excited about it.
World Cup hasn’t had the impact on wpoty it used to since Messi and Ronaldo have been on the scene.
I think a lot determines on how the group(s) finish. I could easily see Iran beating Portugal which would mean a group stage exit for Ronaldo and 4 goals isn't that impressive.
Considering Messi scored 4 in 2014 and dragged his team to a WC final - lets not assume Ronaldo has this in the bag considering Messi has outscored and outwon him in the league.
I think a lot determines on how the group(s) finish. I could easily see Iran beating Portugal which would mean a group stage exit for Ronaldo and 4 goals isn't that impressive.
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5 goals has been good enough to win it 2 of the last 3 tournaments, how many goals would be impressive then?
Considering Messi scored 4 in 2014 and dragged his team to a WC final - lets not assume Ronaldo has this in the bag considering Messi has outscored and outwon him in the league.
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This being a famous-for-being-a-great-footballer contest rather than anything else, I reckon Ronaldo's superior goals in a winning CL campaign trump Messi's overall better goalscoring record, even without the WC effect. Also, if you take goals for their nations into account, Ronaldo is now overall only one behind Messi for the season, and looks as though he'll have opportunities, as well as the mood, to overtake him before the summer is through.
In the sense of not being WOPTY worthiness of 'impressive'
lets not assume Ronaldo has this in the bag considering Messi has outscored and outwon him in the league.
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Was the league the only competition Messi and Ronaldo played in?
Messi scored 45 in 54 appearances Ronaldo 44 in 44.
I do find it funny how overly sensitive and irrational Manchester United fans are when it comes to Ronaldo.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 minutes ago
I do find it funny how overly sensitive and irrational Manchester United fans are when it comes to Ronaldo.
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How have any been sensitive or irrational on this thread?
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not sure it's so clear. Ronaldo hasn't had a great season by his standards. Barcelona won the league which Messi was instrumental in. Ronaldo was poor in the CL final. Yes he scored a hattrick in the World Cup but one the goalkeeper threw it in and the other was a penalty which he dived for. Hell even the free kick he scored, was from his dive. Not to mention the goalkeeper setting the wall up poorly.
I think if Ronaldo goes on to score a few more goals then it's his but if not, it's still up in the air.
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Yeah.
He also scored 15 goals in the CL miles more than anyone else and also scored in every game of CL bar two and also has scored an absolute bucketload this yr alone
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I honestly wasn't aware he'd scored that many. It does show why he's favourite and will probably win it but certainly its not clear cut.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 10 minutes ago
I do find it funny how overly sensitive and irrational Manchester United fans are when it comes to Ronaldo.
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posted on 22/6/18
How ridiculously stupid to include Mo Salah in this conversation? You can't be a candidate for this award when your club/country won feck all and you just barely qualified fir the cl
posted on 22/6/18
Messi to put two past Nigeria. Qualify
Get into the second round, qf and ultimately lose to spain
posted on 22/6/18
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 minutes ago
Salah
You mean the guy who guided his team to 4th in the league
Win zero trophies and
His team were first to be eliminated?
Should not be mentioned in rhe same sentence as World player of the year
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team awards have nothing to do with it you pleb
posted on 22/6/18
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 25 minutes ago
Salah
You mean the guy who guided his team to 4th in the league
Win zero trophies and
His team were first to be eliminated?
Should not be mentioned in rhe same sentence as World player of the year
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team awards have nothing to do with it you pleb
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Read what I put you pleb.
I have never said its a team award. However more often than not a player from a team that has actually won something wins the award
posted on 22/6/18
World Cup years can have a freak impact on these awards. Remember when Cannavaro one it on the basis of being the most leader-y player in an Italian team that lacked an obvious star?
If Portugal don't go deep into the competition and if Ronaldo doesn't win the Golden Boot, you never know. If e.g. Croatia battled through to the semi-finals, Modric (also a fine performer in the CL winning Real) for one could be in with a shout.
posted on 22/6/18
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
World Cup years can have a freak impact on these awards. Remember when Cannavaro one it on the basis of being the most leader-y player in an Italian team that lacked an obvious star?
If Portugal don't go deep into the competition and if Ronaldo doesn't win the Golden Boot, you never know. If e.g. Croatia battled through to the semi-finals, Modric (also a fine performer in the CL winning Real) for one could be in with a shout.
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Modric for Croatia, De Bruyne for Belgium, maybe even Griezemann for France could be in with a shout depending on the world cup.
posted on 22/6/18
He was excellent. But we are talking about the very best of which he wasn't. End of the day his teams have won absolutely nothing which 9 times out of 10 is what is judged on
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true but I guess im putting more weight on individual performances, he was brilliant last year
posted on 22/6/18
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 36 seconds ago
He was excellent. But we are talking about the very best of which he wasn't. End of the day his teams have won absolutely nothing which 9 times out of 10 is what is judged on
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true but I guess im putting more weight on individual performances, he was brilliant last year
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So were ronaldo and messi and their teams have won something which generally is what sways the decisions. If liverpool had won cl or salah had a fantastic wc then things may have been different
posted on 22/6/18
It would obviously be hugely unlikely, but would Kane be in with a shout if England won it and he top-scored?
posted on 22/6/18
Modric once he leads Croatia to the World Cup
posted on 22/6/18
Funny thing, this, but I really couldn't care less about player of the year awards at any level.
Never have and never will.
posted on 22/6/18
Cheers for your input VC
posted on 22/6/18
Cheers for your input VC
................
I am sure there are others who feel the same way.
posted on 22/6/18
Football is a team game.
Something the 'duh merchants' are getting worse and worse at considering, as each generation of them has emerged.
Society itself is becoming increasingly ego-centric - in the behaviour of its members. The idea of a 'team sport' is becoming increasing misunderstood, and the qualities of those that engage in it, less appreciated as a result.
The best players are the ones that bring out the best in all their team mates. Messi should even have been in with a look in on that basis, but who cares anyway. The 'fanboy mentality' is rife and plaguing us all.
posted on 22/6/18
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
Who cares??
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Inclined to agree. It's like the Oscars, it really only means something to the guy he wins it, or other people who might be in the running.
Don't quite get why people get so excited about it.
posted on 22/6/18
World Cup hasn’t had the impact on wpoty it used to since Messi and Ronaldo have been on the scene.
posted on 22/6/18
I think a lot determines on how the group(s) finish. I could easily see Iran beating Portugal which would mean a group stage exit for Ronaldo and 4 goals isn't that impressive.
Considering Messi scored 4 in 2014 and dragged his team to a WC final - lets not assume Ronaldo has this in the bag considering Messi has outscored and outwon him in the league.
posted on 22/6/18
I think a lot determines on how the group(s) finish. I could easily see Iran beating Portugal which would mean a group stage exit for Ronaldo and 4 goals isn't that impressive.
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5 goals has been good enough to win it 2 of the last 3 tournaments, how many goals would be impressive then?
posted on 22/6/18
Considering Messi scored 4 in 2014 and dragged his team to a WC final - lets not assume Ronaldo has this in the bag considering Messi has outscored and outwon him in the league.
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This being a famous-for-being-a-great-footballer contest rather than anything else, I reckon Ronaldo's superior goals in a winning CL campaign trump Messi's overall better goalscoring record, even without the WC effect. Also, if you take goals for their nations into account, Ronaldo is now overall only one behind Messi for the season, and looks as though he'll have opportunities, as well as the mood, to overtake him before the summer is through.
posted on 22/6/18
In the sense of not being WOPTY worthiness of 'impressive'
posted on 22/6/18
lets not assume Ronaldo has this in the bag considering Messi has outscored and outwon him in the league.
...............
Was the league the only competition Messi and Ronaldo played in?
Messi scored 45 in 54 appearances Ronaldo 44 in 44.
posted on 22/6/18
I do find it funny how overly sensitive and irrational Manchester United fans are when it comes to Ronaldo.
posted on 22/6/18
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 9 minutes ago
I do find it funny how overly sensitive and irrational Manchester United fans are when it comes to Ronaldo.
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How have any been sensitive or irrational on this thread?
posted on 22/6/18
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not sure it's so clear. Ronaldo hasn't had a great season by his standards. Barcelona won the league which Messi was instrumental in. Ronaldo was poor in the CL final. Yes he scored a hattrick in the World Cup but one the goalkeeper threw it in and the other was a penalty which he dived for. Hell even the free kick he scored, was from his dive. Not to mention the goalkeeper setting the wall up poorly.
I think if Ronaldo goes on to score a few more goals then it's his but if not, it's still up in the air.
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Yeah.
He also scored 15 goals in the CL miles more than anyone else and also scored in every game of CL bar two and also has scored an absolute bucketload this yr alone
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I honestly wasn't aware he'd scored that many. It does show why he's favourite and will probably win it but certainly its not clear cut.
posted on 22/6/18
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 10 minutes ago
I do find it funny how overly sensitive and irrational Manchester United fans are when it comes to Ronaldo.
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