We wanted Grealish ( regardless of our opinion on him ) so was he not available? If not why did we chase him from beginning to end of the transfer window?
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Maybe we did want Grealish, or maybe it was paper promotion...................however if Villa kept increasing his value then it became obvious that a) they wanted to screw as much out of us as they could (which is fair enough) b) they wanted him to stay and by putting the valuation up put us off.
Now I think if we did want Grealish, then our valuation did not coincide with Villa's and that made the deal very unlikely.
Grealish is a good player, but not necessarily good enough to hold down a place in our team. I think he would have been a good squad addition and Poch could have improved him exponentially if we had signed him.
There are question marks over his attitude, but I think he has shown no signs of petulance or nothing like Berahino did.
Would he have made it at Spurs? I don't know, if Villa stay in the Championship we might go back in for him again!
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 1 minute ago
So Spurs were ok to take that gamble on the likes of Sissoko but not a 22 year old English player?
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We signed him on the back of a very good European Championship showing, and unfortunately he has not turned out as good as performances as he did then.
Which really only enforces my viewpoint, we signed him I believe in haste and he is not really a Spurs type of player.
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Sounds like better scouting is needed then.
on the point of the signings.
it looks like the manager wasn’t backed or the money wasn’t there or both. Porch obviously wanted Grealish and £35m for him really isn’t off what he’s worth when you look at what other players were going for in the league.
maddison
Traore
Again I’m all for not buying the rubbish panic buys or fourth choice players this summer like we did in the Past BUT for us not to get one of our first choice targets is shambolic
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It is if that is indeed what happened, but we don't know and probably never will
Bottom line is it does not matter now. Window is shut, and that is it. Fed up with still talking about it. It is getting as boring as the stadium being delayed a few months.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 30 seconds ago
Bottom line is it does not matter now. Window is shut, and that is it. Fed up with still talking about it. It is getting as boring as the stadium being delayed a few months.
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You do know you don’t have to comment on the articles if they are boring you now
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Sounds like he wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
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Bingo
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Hengy agreeing with a United fan, who has no more idea what finances were available than he does, and certainly I have no idea whether Poch had the relevant money available.
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But Jenas is saying he did.
This all strikes me as positive pr from the club using Jenas to try and spin the shambles of a summer Spurs have had.
Good article Very well written.
In a way I hope this is true because if it is true then Poch hasn't just been stitched up by Levy.
I published that Jenas analysis on here yesterday.
I don't see it as positive PR at all.
It is a warning about the squad being too thin and that it should not lose more than one of Alderweireld, Rose and Dembele during the remaining continental transfer window.
I think we should not lose any.
Schalke have now said they are only interested in permantent deals and not in loans.
So hopefully Rose ain't going.
Are people forgetting Levy's history of struggling to get deals over the line? If we couldn't get the Grealish deal over the line, it's not due to lack of funds or the selling club being difficult, it's due to one man playing hardball. If we wanted him we should have been prepared to go that bit further to get him.
Are people forgetting Levy's history of struggling to get deals over the line? If we couldn't get the Grealish deal over the line, it's not due to lack of funds or the selling club being difficult, it's due to one man playing hardball. If we wanted him we should have been prepared to go that bit further to get him.
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But not for way over the odds in terms of value
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 9 minutes ago
Are people forgetting Levy's history of struggling to get deals over the line? If we couldn't get the Grealish deal over the line, it's not due to lack of funds or the selling club being difficult, it's due to one man playing hardball. If we wanted him we should have been prepared to go that bit further to get him.
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But not for way over the odds in terms of value
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Would it have been way over the odds? I mean compared to what some these other players it's not a totally ridiculous amount. I'm afraid this is the market we live in now and we have to accept it.
For whatever Villa would have accepted for Grealish I doubt it's ever going to be a worse investment than Sissoko. Regardless of whether people think Grealish is a good target for us, if Poch wanted him, then it should be seen as a failure to get Poch what he wants.
Spurs wouldn’t pay what Villa wanted for Grealish. Ergo, Pochettino wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Spurs wouldn’t pay what Villa wanted for Grealish. Ergo, Pochettino wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
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Why is this too diffcult to understand?
Liverpool had a below average team so they went out and bought players at well over the top prices, because selling clubs inflate prices of their players who are in demand - that's the way the market works.
We wanted Grealish and we valued him at a reasonable £25mill based on his age, where he is in his footballing development and also market rate for a championship young player rates.
However, Villa were asking for far more than that.
We didn't go and pay that silly and stupid money.
We have quality in abundance and are looking for covers in certain areas, specially the striker position.
It a shame for Grealish because he would have flourished under Poch, who has experience of nurturing young players and bringing them through.
Spurs do things by the book. It's clubs like Chelsea and City that started this silly business of buying players at any cost. Now Liverpool are doing the same.
This is called killing the game.
Yeah it’s not difficult to understand. But you still don’t understand it. If the manager was given the finances to get what he needed he would have ended up with Grealish in a Spurs shirt. But he didn’t so he wasn’t. Jenas is talking shiiiiiit.
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If you believe that you’ll believe anything.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Spurs wouldn’t pay what Villa wanted for Grealish. Ergo, Pochettino wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
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Why is this too diffcult to understand?
Liverpool had a below average team so they went out and bought players at well over the top prices, because selling clubs inflate prices of their players who are in demand - that's the way the market works.
We wanted Grealish and we valued him at a reasonable £25mill based on his age, where he is in his footballing development and also market rate for a championship young player rates.
However, Villa were asking for far more than that.
We didn't go and pay that silly and stupid money.
We have quality in abundance and are looking for covers in certain areas, specially the striker position.
It a shame for Grealish because he would have flourished under Poch, who has experience of nurturing young players and bringing them through.
Spurs do things by the book. It's clubs like Chelsea and City that started this silly business of buying players at any cost. Now Liverpool are doing the same.
This is called killing the game.
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Its all relative.
Take They buying VD. No other team valued im at 75m cos they didnt need him that bad.
To Liverpool it was value, as they knew he would improve their 2-3m Cbs they had easily.
They obviously made some decent bank from the CL which Id say was def down to him, as he wasnt cup tied and their other CB partnerships were not CL standard. Def not after group stages.
TV money and Neymar warped things but teams are swimming in cash. Prem teams, even crud ones are super rich since the last 1-2 tv deals, on a global scale.
Usually id say there is loads of merit in the article and this approach. My issue is that Spurs do have areas yo could have improved.
Potch 100% deserves the final say but god scouts could easily find players for under 30 mill (Sissoko money) that would have at least helped improved the squad.
A striker, wing backs, Sissoko still gets games.All couldve been strengthened even if not the first 11. Spurs are so close to being top tier on a global level i get u need only a couple more bits of the jigsaw but why and how targets werent found Ive no idea.
Spurs even with the stadium have the money, and they need the players. I dont want Chelsea and arsenal back in the top 4 ffs
If you believe that you’ll believe anything.
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Well, you obviously believe you know better than we do and yet you have given no facts, just conjecture
Anyway, your name sake is getting paid over £500,000 a week which is obscene. Wonder why he didn’t go to City, oh yes they wouldn’t pay him the money.
Must love the United badge
If only there was two more
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 11 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Spurs wouldn’t pay what Villa wanted for Grealish. Ergo, Pochettino wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
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Why is this too diffcult to understand?
Liverpool had a below average team so they went out and bought players at well over the top prices, because selling clubs inflate prices of their players who are in demand - that's the way the market works.
We wanted Grealish and we valued him at a reasonable £25mill based on his age, where he is in his footballing development and also market rate for a championship young player rates.
However, Villa were asking for far more than that.
We didn't go and pay that silly and stupid money.
We have quality in abundance and are looking for covers in certain areas, specially the striker position.
It a shame for Grealish because he would have flourished under Poch, who has experience of nurturing young players and bringing them through.
Spurs do things by the book. It's clubs like Chelsea and City that started this silly business of buying players at any cost. Now Liverpool are doing the same.
This is called killing the game.
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So Liverpool’s below average team, the one that finished a massive 2 points behind a Spurs team that has quality in abundance sell a player for £140,000,000 and then reinvest it plus some of the revenue from the Champions league final run.
And it’s killing the game?
So Liverpool’s below average team, the one that finished a massive 2 points behind a Spurs team that has quality in abundance sell a player for £140,000,000 and then reinvest it plus some of the revenue from the Champions league final run.
And it’s killing the game?
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This is not a get at Liverpool article, it is about Spurs possible reasons why we did not sign our (if indeed they were) targets.
We all know Liverpool are not a below average team and will indeed be stronger this season by the looks of it.
I’m not making it one.
United, City & to a point Chelsea in the past have spent huge sums of money.
United from the huge sums that they generate through they’re commercial activities.
City through a billionaire owner.
Chelsea originally through a billionaire owner and to a point through player sales.
Liverpool have invested in the squad but that investment has come from player sales, on pitch success through the Champions League run and an upturn in commercial activity.
Klopps net spend is still quite modest considering the amount of money the club makes.
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posted on 15/8/18
We wanted Grealish ( regardless of our opinion on him ) so was he not available? If not why did we chase him from beginning to end of the transfer window?
_________________________
Maybe we did want Grealish, or maybe it was paper promotion...................however if Villa kept increasing his value then it became obvious that a) they wanted to screw as much out of us as they could (which is fair enough) b) they wanted him to stay and by putting the valuation up put us off.
Now I think if we did want Grealish, then our valuation did not coincide with Villa's and that made the deal very unlikely.
Grealish is a good player, but not necessarily good enough to hold down a place in our team. I think he would have been a good squad addition and Poch could have improved him exponentially if we had signed him.
There are question marks over his attitude, but I think he has shown no signs of petulance or nothing like Berahino did.
Would he have made it at Spurs? I don't know, if Villa stay in the Championship we might go back in for him again!
posted on 15/8/18
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 1 minute ago
So Spurs were ok to take that gamble on the likes of Sissoko but not a 22 year old English player?
__________________________
We signed him on the back of a very good European Championship showing, and unfortunately he has not turned out as good as performances as he did then.
Which really only enforces my viewpoint, we signed him I believe in haste and he is not really a Spurs type of player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds like better scouting is needed then.
on the point of the signings.
it looks like the manager wasn’t backed or the money wasn’t there or both. Porch obviously wanted Grealish and £35m for him really isn’t off what he’s worth when you look at what other players were going for in the league.
maddison
Traore
posted on 15/8/18
Again I’m all for not buying the rubbish panic buys or fourth choice players this summer like we did in the Past BUT for us not to get one of our first choice targets is shambolic
___________________________
It is if that is indeed what happened, but we don't know and probably never will
posted on 15/8/18
Bottom line is it does not matter now. Window is shut, and that is it. Fed up with still talking about it. It is getting as boring as the stadium being delayed a few months.
posted on 15/8/18
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 30 seconds ago
Bottom line is it does not matter now. Window is shut, and that is it. Fed up with still talking about it. It is getting as boring as the stadium being delayed a few months.
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You do know you don’t have to comment on the articles if they are boring you now
posted on 15/8/18
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Sounds like he wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
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Bingo
_________________________
Hengy agreeing with a United fan, who has no more idea what finances were available than he does, and certainly I have no idea whether Poch had the relevant money available.
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But Jenas is saying he did.
This all strikes me as positive pr from the club using Jenas to try and spin the shambles of a summer Spurs have had.
posted on 15/8/18
Good article Very well written.
In a way I hope this is true because if it is true then Poch hasn't just been stitched up by Levy.
posted on 15/8/18
I published that Jenas analysis on here yesterday.
I don't see it as positive PR at all.
It is a warning about the squad being too thin and that it should not lose more than one of Alderweireld, Rose and Dembele during the remaining continental transfer window.
I think we should not lose any.
Schalke have now said they are only interested in permantent deals and not in loans.
So hopefully Rose ain't going.
posted on 15/8/18
Are people forgetting Levy's history of struggling to get deals over the line? If we couldn't get the Grealish deal over the line, it's not due to lack of funds or the selling club being difficult, it's due to one man playing hardball. If we wanted him we should have been prepared to go that bit further to get him.
posted on 15/8/18
Are people forgetting Levy's history of struggling to get deals over the line? If we couldn't get the Grealish deal over the line, it's not due to lack of funds or the selling club being difficult, it's due to one man playing hardball. If we wanted him we should have been prepared to go that bit further to get him.
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But not for way over the odds in terms of value
posted on 15/8/18
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 9 minutes ago
Are people forgetting Levy's history of struggling to get deals over the line? If we couldn't get the Grealish deal over the line, it's not due to lack of funds or the selling club being difficult, it's due to one man playing hardball. If we wanted him we should have been prepared to go that bit further to get him.
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But not for way over the odds in terms of value
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Would it have been way over the odds? I mean compared to what some these other players it's not a totally ridiculous amount. I'm afraid this is the market we live in now and we have to accept it.
For whatever Villa would have accepted for Grealish I doubt it's ever going to be a worse investment than Sissoko. Regardless of whether people think Grealish is a good target for us, if Poch wanted him, then it should be seen as a failure to get Poch what he wants.
posted on 15/8/18
Spurs wouldn’t pay what Villa wanted for Grealish. Ergo, Pochettino wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
posted on 15/8/18
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Spurs wouldn’t pay what Villa wanted for Grealish. Ergo, Pochettino wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
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Why is this too diffcult to understand?
Liverpool had a below average team so they went out and bought players at well over the top prices, because selling clubs inflate prices of their players who are in demand - that's the way the market works.
We wanted Grealish and we valued him at a reasonable £25mill based on his age, where he is in his footballing development and also market rate for a championship young player rates.
However, Villa were asking for far more than that.
We didn't go and pay that silly and stupid money.
We have quality in abundance and are looking for covers in certain areas, specially the striker position.
It a shame for Grealish because he would have flourished under Poch, who has experience of nurturing young players and bringing them through.
Spurs do things by the book. It's clubs like Chelsea and City that started this silly business of buying players at any cost. Now Liverpool are doing the same.
This is called killing the game.
posted on 15/8/18
Yeah it’s not difficult to understand. But you still don’t understand it. If the manager was given the finances to get what he needed he would have ended up with Grealish in a Spurs shirt. But he didn’t so he wasn’t. Jenas is talking shiiiiiit.
posted on 15/8/18
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posted on 15/8/18
If you believe that you’ll believe anything.
posted on 16/8/18
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Spurs wouldn’t pay what Villa wanted for Grealish. Ergo, Pochettino wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
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Why is this too diffcult to understand?
Liverpool had a below average team so they went out and bought players at well over the top prices, because selling clubs inflate prices of their players who are in demand - that's the way the market works.
We wanted Grealish and we valued him at a reasonable £25mill based on his age, where he is in his footballing development and also market rate for a championship young player rates.
However, Villa were asking for far more than that.
We didn't go and pay that silly and stupid money.
We have quality in abundance and are looking for covers in certain areas, specially the striker position.
It a shame for Grealish because he would have flourished under Poch, who has experience of nurturing young players and bringing them through.
Spurs do things by the book. It's clubs like Chelsea and City that started this silly business of buying players at any cost. Now Liverpool are doing the same.
This is called killing the game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its all relative.
Take They buying VD. No other team valued im at 75m cos they didnt need him that bad.
To Liverpool it was value, as they knew he would improve their 2-3m Cbs they had easily.
They obviously made some decent bank from the CL which Id say was def down to him, as he wasnt cup tied and their other CB partnerships were not CL standard. Def not after group stages.
TV money and Neymar warped things but teams are swimming in cash. Prem teams, even crud ones are super rich since the last 1-2 tv deals, on a global scale.
Usually id say there is loads of merit in the article and this approach. My issue is that Spurs do have areas yo could have improved.
Potch 100% deserves the final say but god scouts could easily find players for under 30 mill (Sissoko money) that would have at least helped improved the squad.
A striker, wing backs, Sissoko still gets games.All couldve been strengthened even if not the first 11. Spurs are so close to being top tier on a global level i get u need only a couple more bits of the jigsaw but why and how targets werent found Ive no idea.
Spurs even with the stadium have the money, and they need the players. I dont want Chelsea and arsenal back in the top 4 ffs
posted on 16/8/18
If you believe that you’ll believe anything.
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Well, you obviously believe you know better than we do and yet you have given no facts, just conjecture
Anyway, your name sake is getting paid over £500,000 a week which is obscene. Wonder why he didn’t go to City, oh yes they wouldn’t pay him the money.
Must love the United badge
posted on 16/8/18
If only there was two more
posted on 16/8/18
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 11 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by Alexis The King Sanchez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Spurs wouldn’t pay what Villa wanted for Grealish. Ergo, Pochettino wasn’t given the finances to get what he needed.
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Why is this too diffcult to understand?
Liverpool had a below average team so they went out and bought players at well over the top prices, because selling clubs inflate prices of their players who are in demand - that's the way the market works.
We wanted Grealish and we valued him at a reasonable £25mill based on his age, where he is in his footballing development and also market rate for a championship young player rates.
However, Villa were asking for far more than that.
We didn't go and pay that silly and stupid money.
We have quality in abundance and are looking for covers in certain areas, specially the striker position.
It a shame for Grealish because he would have flourished under Poch, who has experience of nurturing young players and bringing them through.
Spurs do things by the book. It's clubs like Chelsea and City that started this silly business of buying players at any cost. Now Liverpool are doing the same.
This is called killing the game.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So Liverpool’s below average team, the one that finished a massive 2 points behind a Spurs team that has quality in abundance sell a player for £140,000,000 and then reinvest it plus some of the revenue from the Champions league final run.
And it’s killing the game?
posted on 16/8/18
So Liverpool’s below average team, the one that finished a massive 2 points behind a Spurs team that has quality in abundance sell a player for £140,000,000 and then reinvest it plus some of the revenue from the Champions league final run.
And it’s killing the game?
____________________________
This is not a get at Liverpool article, it is about Spurs possible reasons why we did not sign our (if indeed they were) targets.
We all know Liverpool are not a below average team and will indeed be stronger this season by the looks of it.
posted on 16/8/18
I’m not making it one.
United, City & to a point Chelsea in the past have spent huge sums of money.
United from the huge sums that they generate through they’re commercial activities.
City through a billionaire owner.
Chelsea originally through a billionaire owner and to a point through player sales.
Liverpool have invested in the squad but that investment has come from player sales, on pitch success through the Champions League run and an upturn in commercial activity.
Klopps net spend is still quite modest considering the amount of money the club makes.
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