Did you lead a protest to your own team when they played in the US in the aftermath of the Child Separation Policy?
You might need that savlon after all.
I’ve said before the association with the human rights record of the UAE is a stain on our club. That’s why I was far happier when it was clarified that Mansour had solely bought us rather than through a government vehicle, given that I think him (and his wife) have been the most prominent pushers of change and modernisation in some of the criminal justice and equality laws in the UAE. I also believe the spotlight that that subsequently brings to the rest of the UAE and the focus on some of the issues is also a way of making progressive change happen even quicker, and there’s evidence of that progression happening in comparison to the rest of the area.
What I don’t agree with is seeing the royal family all as one single entity or even in some cases even remotely alike, I find that simplistic and quite frankly bordering on racist in itself. Nor do I agree with peddling that perception without doing any research into the area or the individuals involved.
And I also don’t think that a football forum on the Internet is the right place for this debate anyway, as your last comment on that shows - the ultimate irony here being your own club loyalty seemingly is stopping you from actually bothering to do anything but google (incorrect) links just to validate your argument rather than doing any proper research like I’m suggesting. If you did, then the debate could turn into what actually is going to help make a difference (and perhaps why you feel what Mansour has implemented that you don’t like, given you’ve such a strong opinion of him)..
You don’t really want to do that though because you don’t really care about improving human rights there yourself - if you did, we’d have started the debate already. All you want is just to have a stick to beat another club with (after all, this is a football forum...)
Melton, you sound like my old LLM professor. He ballacked me once for verifying and collaborating my sources before citing anything. Are you sure you’re not him?
Ha!
One other thing I forgot to mention, the promoting of Abu Dhabi or the UAE. The last five years in particular, the focus has been on doing the complete opposite and trying to promote the City Football Group - not the backing behind it due to the negative connotations with exactly what hippo is saying.
comment by mancWoohoo💯 - Maximus Mardius Cob-onius (U10676)
posted 12 minutes ago
Melton, you sound like my old LLM professor. He ballacked me once for verifying and collaborating my sources before citing anything. Are you sure you’re not him?
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Corroborating *
Stupid autocorrect.
About as racist as Jeremy Corbyn is an antisemite
Late to the party on this one, I take it eriks brought up 6 wives camels and human rights several times.
The problem with these types of discussions is nobody actually bothers to ask how it can be offensive to someone black without their perceptions of it based on how they would feel about it, with no history of ever experiencing it. All busy saying how it isn't racist without understanding the history of the thinking this man in employing. For centuries black people have been relegated to simply being thought of as big, strong and quick with no intelligence. So to say that he refers to them in the modern era as such, is actually quite damning. Racism is more nuanced that people like to pretend it is.
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 26 minutes ago
The problem with these types of discussions is nobody actually bothers to ask how it can be offensive to someone black without their perceptions of it based on how they would feel about it, with no history of ever experiencing it. All busy saying how it isn't racist without understanding the history of the thinking this man in employing. For centuries black people have been relegated to simply being thought of as big, strong and quick with no intelligence. So to say that he refers to them in the modern era as such, is actually quite damning. Racism is more nuanced that people like to pretend it is.
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A brilliant post, the guy making the comments has been reprimanded and needs education on what’s acceptable.
And what he’s said was not acceptable.
I'm sorry but I wouldn't call this racist. It's not professional language in the slightest. But if the players are actually big, black, and quick, what's the problem?
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm sorry but I wouldn't call this racist. It's not professional language in the slightest. But if the players are actually big, black, and quick, what's the problem?
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Reductionist stereotypes of people are racially insensitive - like distilling the essence of a black person as being strong and quick. As pointed out earlier, racism is far more subtle than many pretend it is. It's not restricted to some skinhead with naazi tatoos shouting "n****r".
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Wenger Till I Die (U7482)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm sorry but I wouldn't call this racist. It's not professional language in the slightest. But if the players are actually big, black, and quick, what's the problem?
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Reductionist stereotypes of people are racially insensitive - like distilling the essence of a black person as being strong and quick. As pointed out earlier, racism is far more subtle than many pretend it is. It's not restricted to some skinhead with naazi tatoos shouting "n****r".
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Fair point.
So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?
Say, Oprah or Obama claim a hillbilly is privileged, as the white bloke flies around in his meth truck, is this racist?
Historically, I see how describing a player as big, black and fast could be racist, not least because who would say a player was big, white and fast??
Lack of white American football players, or in the EPL...is this racist, or requiring quota systems or positive discrimination?
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 28 minutes ago
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
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I’m not privileged. I just work hard for what I have and had parents that did the same.
Plus if it were a white guy, how could that be racist? Bigoted, yes.
Good for you. That’s not what white privilege normally refers to though.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
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White guys can't jump, box, run the 100 metres or win marathons.
White working class boys are at the bottom of the educational ladder in the uk!
Are these racist statements?
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Good for you. That’s not what white privilege normally refers to though.
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How far back does white privilege go and does it apply universally?
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
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White guys can't jump, box, run the 100 metres or win marathons.
White working class boys are at the bottom of the educational ladder in the uk!
Are these racist statements?
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They’re racial profiling, yes.
This thread is missing Winston with his insightful diatribe
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Good for you. That’s not what white privilege normally refers to though.
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How far back does white privilege go and does it apply universally?
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No idea. Not really a question a white person from an affluent western nation can answer as it’s not something I would have consciously experienced.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
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White guys can't jump, box, run the 100 metres or win marathons.
White working class boys are at the bottom of the educational ladder in the uk!
Are these racist statements?
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They’re racial profiling, yes.
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Again most of those are physical attributes though so that’s not the point
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posted on 16/8/18
Did you lead a protest to your own team when they played in the US in the aftermath of the Child Separation Policy?
posted on 16/8/18
You might need that savlon after all.
posted on 16/8/18
I’ve said before the association with the human rights record of the UAE is a stain on our club. That’s why I was far happier when it was clarified that Mansour had solely bought us rather than through a government vehicle, given that I think him (and his wife) have been the most prominent pushers of change and modernisation in some of the criminal justice and equality laws in the UAE. I also believe the spotlight that that subsequently brings to the rest of the UAE and the focus on some of the issues is also a way of making progressive change happen even quicker, and there’s evidence of that progression happening in comparison to the rest of the area.
What I don’t agree with is seeing the royal family all as one single entity or even in some cases even remotely alike, I find that simplistic and quite frankly bordering on racist in itself. Nor do I agree with peddling that perception without doing any research into the area or the individuals involved.
And I also don’t think that a football forum on the Internet is the right place for this debate anyway, as your last comment on that shows - the ultimate irony here being your own club loyalty seemingly is stopping you from actually bothering to do anything but google (incorrect) links just to validate your argument rather than doing any proper research like I’m suggesting. If you did, then the debate could turn into what actually is going to help make a difference (and perhaps why you feel what Mansour has implemented that you don’t like, given you’ve such a strong opinion of him)..
You don’t really want to do that though because you don’t really care about improving human rights there yourself - if you did, we’d have started the debate already. All you want is just to have a stick to beat another club with (after all, this is a football forum...)
posted on 16/8/18
Melton, you sound like my old LLM professor. He ballacked me once for verifying and collaborating my sources before citing anything. Are you sure you’re not him?
posted on 16/8/18
Ha!
One other thing I forgot to mention, the promoting of Abu Dhabi or the UAE. The last five years in particular, the focus has been on doing the complete opposite and trying to promote the City Football Group - not the backing behind it due to the negative connotations with exactly what hippo is saying.
posted on 16/8/18
comment by mancWoohoo💯 - Maximus Mardius Cob-onius (U10676)
posted 12 minutes ago
Melton, you sound like my old LLM professor. He ballacked me once for verifying and collaborating my sources before citing anything. Are you sure you’re not him?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Corroborating *
Stupid autocorrect.
posted on 16/8/18
About as racist as Jeremy Corbyn is an antisemite
posted on 16/8/18
Late to the party on this one, I take it eriks brought up 6 wives camels and human rights several times.
posted on 16/8/18
200+ comments
posted on 16/8/18
The problem with these types of discussions is nobody actually bothers to ask how it can be offensive to someone black without their perceptions of it based on how they would feel about it, with no history of ever experiencing it. All busy saying how it isn't racist without understanding the history of the thinking this man in employing. For centuries black people have been relegated to simply being thought of as big, strong and quick with no intelligence. So to say that he refers to them in the modern era as such, is actually quite damning. Racism is more nuanced that people like to pretend it is.
posted on 16/8/18
comment by JohnStreep (U18296)
posted 26 minutes ago
The problem with these types of discussions is nobody actually bothers to ask how it can be offensive to someone black without their perceptions of it based on how they would feel about it, with no history of ever experiencing it. All busy saying how it isn't racist without understanding the history of the thinking this man in employing. For centuries black people have been relegated to simply being thought of as big, strong and quick with no intelligence. So to say that he refers to them in the modern era as such, is actually quite damning. Racism is more nuanced that people like to pretend it is.
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A brilliant post, the guy making the comments has been reprimanded and needs education on what’s acceptable.
And what he’s said was not acceptable.
posted on 16/8/18
I'm sorry but I wouldn't call this racist. It's not professional language in the slightest. But if the players are actually big, black, and quick, what's the problem?
posted on 16/8/18
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm sorry but I wouldn't call this racist. It's not professional language in the slightest. But if the players are actually big, black, and quick, what's the problem?
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Reductionist stereotypes of people are racially insensitive - like distilling the essence of a black person as being strong and quick. As pointed out earlier, racism is far more subtle than many pretend it is. It's not restricted to some skinhead with naazi tatoos shouting "n****r".
posted on 16/8/18
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Wenger Till I Die (U7482)
posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm sorry but I wouldn't call this racist. It's not professional language in the slightest. But if the players are actually big, black, and quick, what's the problem?
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Reductionist stereotypes of people are racially insensitive - like distilling the essence of a black person as being strong and quick. As pointed out earlier, racism is far more subtle than many pretend it is. It's not restricted to some skinhead with naazi tatoos shouting "n****r".
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Fair point.
So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?
Say, Oprah or Obama claim a hillbilly is privileged, as the white bloke flies around in his meth truck, is this racist?
Historically, I see how describing a player as big, black and fast could be racist, not least because who would say a player was big, white and fast??
Lack of white American football players, or in the EPL...is this racist, or requiring quota systems or positive discrimination?
posted on 16/8/18
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
posted on 16/8/18
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 28 minutes ago
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
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I’m not privileged. I just work hard for what I have and had parents that did the same.
Plus if it were a white guy, how could that be racist? Bigoted, yes.
posted on 16/8/18
Good for you. That’s not what white privilege normally refers to though.
posted on 16/8/18
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
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White guys can't jump, box, run the 100 metres or win marathons.
White working class boys are at the bottom of the educational ladder in the uk!
Are these racist statements?
posted on 16/8/18
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Good for you. That’s not what white privilege normally refers to though.
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How far back does white privilege go and does it apply universally?
posted on 16/8/18
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
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White guys can't jump, box, run the 100 metres or win marathons.
White working class boys are at the bottom of the educational ladder in the uk!
Are these racist statements?
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They’re racial profiling, yes.
posted on 16/8/18
This thread is missing Winston with his insightful diatribe
posted on 16/8/18
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Good for you. That’s not what white privilege normally refers to though.
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How far back does white privilege go and does it apply universally?
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No idea. Not really a question a white person from an affluent western nation can answer as it’s not something I would have consciously experienced.
posted on 16/8/18
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
“So, when ordinary white people are described as privileged, could this be deemed racist?“
Depends on the context but you are comparing a social stereotype with a physical one.
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White guys can't jump, box, run the 100 metres or win marathons.
White working class boys are at the bottom of the educational ladder in the uk!
Are these racist statements?
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They’re racial profiling, yes.
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Again most of those are physical attributes though so that’s not the point
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