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Jagielka's sending off, was it a red?

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posted on 16/8/18

Been and past now.

Tribal nature of football and poor standards of refs don’t help. Helped you guys get a foothold in game, who knows what could have happened 11 v 11? Wolves could have won 2-1 as Everton would have been less defensive.

posted on 16/8/18

Nasty tackle you've seen em given you've seen yellows and you've seen even nothing given often enough. I do think its a yellow at minimum but can see why the ref gave a red too, its late and desperate and plants his stoods in the guy could have caused serious injury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j507PjoewZA

Barkley vs Hendo didnt even get booked did he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdxIJuACh0E

Barkley vs Lovren

Again no red

posted on 16/8/18

Neutral perspective and genuinely the first time I've seen the incident:

I'm finding this one really difficult to call. I don't think there's any malice in it; he's made a mistake and he's trying to reach in front of the ball to block it. However, it is a lunge, he got his timing slightly wrong and he's planted a boot straight through the guy's ankle.
Another aspect to it is that it's a last man foul, although that's again difficult to call as the ball hasn't gone past him, it's just that the attacker stepped in front of the ball himself as he got caught.

I think all in all it probably is a red, although with a minimum suspension attached to it. If it had been a yellow then Wolves fans would be saying the ref had bottled it, and with good cause.

posted on 16/8/18

Could have caused? You can see in both tackles from Ross that at the moment he thinks contact is going to be made he alters his body position to shift weight and not hurt opponent

comment by Neo (U9135)

posted on 16/8/18

Clear red card imo.

Could have been a red for either of two things, first given Jagielka lunged in studs showing high on the opponents leg or for the fact without the foul the player would have been in on goal meaning he denied a goal-scoring opportunity.

Ref got it spot on.

posted on 16/8/18

There was a Challenge on Cavaleiro last year in the Boro away game.

Can't remember who it was, but cleaned out Cav as we were breaking on the counter, only got a yellow

Ironically, the ref didn't even make a decision when Costa was taken down when clear through on goal, but later sent two Wolves players off.


posted on 16/8/18

Was surprised at the time that he was sent off, booking for me at worst, studs were up but there was no malicious intent to foul the player, just mistimed it. If red cards are being given for every error by a player it going to get ridiculous. in fact it already is.

Further more there was no clear goal scoring opportunity either, Jota didnt have the ball anywhere near under control. Free kick, yes. Yellow card, maybe. Just another show pony ref making a name for himself on camera.

Sublime free kick though!

posted on 16/8/18

Oldgold, it was a sending off, in the past no, but in todays game, you really can't argue with the refs decision.

And Everton know it, as they would not win an appeal.

posted on 16/8/18

When I saw it on MOTD I genuinely thought he was sent off for being last man.

posted on 16/8/18

No body seems to know what the rules definitively are or how to interpret them and its so subjective Amiga. You're probably right in the context of the modern game but to me there's no way that deserves a sending off.

We're going to be on the wrong end of these kinds of decision more often than not this season and it will cost us points. Refs will be be itching start waving cards at our players, I have absolutely no doubt. It happened last season too. Boils my pizz. Im just amazed we benefitted (or did we???) on Saturday.

comment by Biglaa (U5954)

posted on 16/8/18

When I saw it at the time, I wasn't surprised when the red card came out. Felt it could have been either yellow or red, but definitely a card either way. Yellow would have been getting off very very lightly.

posted on 16/8/18

I'd be interested to know how the ref explained it in his match report - dangerous play or professional foul.

posted on 16/8/18

Not a red for me. Ended up having to cash out £510, instead of the £810 I would have won because of it. Which plays no part at all in my opinion.

posted on 16/8/18

Should be banned for ten games, the filthy animal. Would have bent Jota's ankle in half had Jota not 'ridden' the assault.

posted on 16/8/18

Danny Batth’s tackle was with his feet on the ground and he made contact with the ball. Yellow card maybe because he did dive in, but not a red

Jagielka went in with his foot raised and made contact with the player not the ball. Definite red to me

posted on 16/8/18

What everyone seems to be missing, is the fact that he was sent off for denying a player a scoring opportunity, not for any bad tackle.

Personally I didn't see it that way, because at no time did our player have control of the ball.

Now, if the ref had sent him off for a bad tackle, then yes, worthy of a red card, as he was caught on the ankle and never made contact with the ball.

posted on 16/8/18

Where has it been said what he sent off for Sunshine?

But either way red card was the correct decision.

Sorry spangles, both were as bad as each other, either both are dangerous play or neither are, you can't have it both ways.

posted on 16/8/18

The commentary we had over here stated that the referee had given the reason to match officials and it was for the reason I've just stated and not for any tackle.

posted on 16/8/18

"bad tackle"

posted on 16/8/18

This is the views of our commentators, Arlo White and Robbie Mustoe and later on in the commentary they stated that the reason for the standing off was for what I have stated. That came from the match officials.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi6usn_2PHcAhVtneAKHYuqAO0QwqsBMAF6BAgGEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DBwQ77W0MRC8&usg=AOvVaw2kFIcQQ6hET4NYpBXxBof_

posted on 16/8/18

"sending off".

posted on 16/8/18

So nothing official Sunshine, I know what the commentators said, I want to know what the ref has said.

Otherwise it's conjecture, either way red card was the correct decision.

posted on 16/8/18

One of the reddest I've ever seen, and a correct decision looking at the slo-mo, where (a) Jota's ankle is almost snapped in half with his foot dangling by a thread, and (b) it was the denial of a goal scoring opportunity. Could have been 2

posted on 16/8/18

The commentators get their info from the match officials, which includes the ref. The ref confirms his decision with the forth official who is on the touchline and he informs the press who also have personal on or around the touchline. It's called communication and that's why they have ear pieces.

It's not rocket science.

posted on 16/8/18

Again Sunshine it's conjecture, your saying what other people are saying not what the ref has said.

In my commentry, it said originally he sent him off for denying a goal scoring opportunity, later on they said the y understood the ref had sent him off for serious foul play.

But I know, only the commentators you were listening to have earpieces.

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