Everyone's an expert
When Mourinho took over, don't tell me you didn't get a tingle of excitement?
It's Wahl who has the tingling.
Allardyce would sort it out
There is nothing whatsoever that qualifies Scholes for a DoF role.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
Everyone's an expert
When Mourinho took over, don't tell me you didn't get a tingle of excitement?
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How dare you slander my name
I have said since his first spell at chelsea that i did not want him anywhere near utd
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/352750
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Everyone's an expert
When Mourinho took over, don't tell me you didn't get a tingle of excitement?
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No. I had seen him impose too many times before.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 minutes ago
There is nothing whatsoever that qualifies Scholes for a DoF role.
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What are the qualifications for one. Given that there is not what I would call a clear definition of what a DoF does.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 7 minutes ago
There is nothing whatsoever that qualifies Scholes for a DoF role.
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I agree with you on that, if .ou are talking DoF by definition
there seem to be this illusion that there is this ready made model of DoF out there we can adopt that will sort all our problems (although I do like what i have heard of monchi from my italian mates).
I honestly don't think there is and it might again end in tears . Then we are going to try to give the next fad a go.
What I am suggesting is a central figure in scholes for the footballing vision, with a team around him that understands the other aspects he is lacking like scouting network.
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 5 minutes ago
What galacticos??
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the fake galcticos ed woodard tried and failed to build when he announced to the world we had more money than sense after SAF left.
Scholes! Hes not the answer
Then isn’t he basically shirking most of the responsibilities of the director of football role then? Having a vision is all well and good, but I’m not convinced he’d be particularly accommodating to the vision that Woodward has.
This is where we need a director of football that is onside with Woodward, but also able to bring their own footballing ideas to the party and to be able to convey that to a new coach and current/potential new players.
Scholes is entrenched in an idealised version of United that doesn’t exist anymore. It’s easier for him to sit there and critique the set up from the pundits chair than it is to take on the responsibility that I don’t think he has the personality, experience or know how for.
If you are looking at ex players I think Neville and Giggs would be better bets for such a position, even though I think they suffer from not having the correct credentials for the job either.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholes! Hes not the answer
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I love the guy so much, it may be clouding my judgement. But I still believe i am right even though I am not and we will also probably never find out as scholes has taken too many digs at the club it will be an awkward appointment for the guys in charge
choles is entrenched in an idealised version of United that doesn’t exist anymore. It’s easier for him to sit there and critique the set up from the pundits chair than it is to take on the responsibility that I don’t think he has the personality, experience or know how for.
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Against your arguement, I can't help but fell mine is "maybe" just a fanboy dellusion. Well done
DoF role really varies by club
I think you could have him mostly ambassadorial for the first couple of years while he picks up the jobs he will need to take on. Loaning players is usually the big one
Rumours say our club is looking at Ballack who is equally unqualified but I think a big name like that has it's own benefits - especially if he is working a lot with youth and fringe squad players
A little bit, yeah.
I do think with any new director of football it’s not simply a case of understanding what United are about but trying to actually establish what we are.
It doesn’t have to be a case of trying to replicate what Fergie established as it’s basically impossible, but looking at what is workable from that era with a new take on how other big clubs manage to maintain themselves at the top. We have to establish our own identity again.
With that in mind it’s worth noting that not all the top clubs, even Barca, are slaves to footballing style. So while having a director of football that sees attacking football as a fundamental part of their vision, one that allows a bit of pragmitism in approach to coaching, as long as it’s practical with the playing staff, would allow their job of getting prospective coaches in the short and mid term that bit easier and would potentially lead to more stability.
Who the fack that may be is anyone’s guess. Bayern are probably the best proponents of this way of running a club. The irony being most of them are ex players.
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
There is nothing whatsoever that qualifies Scholes for a DoF role.
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Exactly that.
United need to get someone proven and experienced in delivering in that specific role. A Zorc or Monchi would be ideal.
Part of the reason united are in the mess they are in is because they have someone inexperienced in a very influential role that is clearly well out of his depth, in Woodward.
You need to be brave in your next managerial acquisition but sensible in the backroom staff roles, be it CEO or DOF.
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The trouble with Utd over the past few years is they've looked for a quick fix for SAF leaving. Instead of giving a manager time to implement their own "philosophy" they've looked for instant impact.
Liverpool (as much as I love this!), Man City and Tottenham all have one thing in common... a manager that has been given time and complete control of how the club, on the pitch, moves forward.
What you're currently going through reminds me of our fall from grace that we (I hope) look to have come back from.
Having a vision and implementing a vision are two very different things.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
Having a vision and implementing a vision are two very different things.
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Ditto
Nobody understands the club better than SAF, yet he was the one who suggested Moyes.
Surely United's success was built on one man running the club.
Mourinho is similar to Ferguson in many ways, and yet he has joined a very different United to throne SAF left.
You should let him do what he wants, in the way he wants, and the Director of Football/Deal Maker should report to him, not the other way around.
Or you sack him, immediately.
Surely United's success was built on one man running the club.
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Yes and No. It was built under SAF, but not on the principal of it being one man. Read SAF's comments in his book about his gratitude to his backroom staff.
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Mourinho is similar to Ferguson in many ways
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I am struggling to list many.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Surely United's success was built on one man running the club.
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Yes and No. It was built under SAF, but not on the principal of it being one man. Read SAF's comments in his book about his gratitude to his backroom staff.
..................................
Mourinho is similar to Ferguson in many ways
...................................
I am struggling to list many.
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HIS back room staff !
Mourinho shares many attributes with SAF
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posted on 2/10/18
Everyone's an expert
When Mourinho took over, don't tell me you didn't get a tingle of excitement?
posted on 2/10/18
It's Wahl who has the tingling.
posted on 2/10/18
Allardyce would sort it out
posted on 2/10/18
There is nothing whatsoever that qualifies Scholes for a DoF role.
posted on 2/10/18
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
Everyone's an expert
When Mourinho took over, don't tell me you didn't get a tingle of excitement?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How dare you slander my name
I have said since his first spell at chelsea that i did not want him anywhere near utd
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/352750
posted on 2/10/18
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Everyone's an expert
When Mourinho took over, don't tell me you didn't get a tingle of excitement?
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No. I had seen him impose too many times before.
posted on 2/10/18
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 3 minutes ago
There is nothing whatsoever that qualifies Scholes for a DoF role.
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What are the qualifications for one. Given that there is not what I would call a clear definition of what a DoF does.
posted on 2/10/18
What galacticos??
posted on 2/10/18
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 7 minutes ago
There is nothing whatsoever that qualifies Scholes for a DoF role.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with you on that, if .ou are talking DoF by definition
there seem to be this illusion that there is this ready made model of DoF out there we can adopt that will sort all our problems (although I do like what i have heard of monchi from my italian mates).
I honestly don't think there is and it might again end in tears . Then we are going to try to give the next fad a go.
What I am suggesting is a central figure in scholes for the footballing vision, with a team around him that understands the other aspects he is lacking like scouting network.
posted on 2/10/18
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 5 minutes ago
What galacticos??
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the fake galcticos ed woodard tried and failed to build when he announced to the world we had more money than sense after SAF left.
posted on 2/10/18
Scholes! Hes not the answer
posted on 2/10/18
Then isn’t he basically shirking most of the responsibilities of the director of football role then? Having a vision is all well and good, but I’m not convinced he’d be particularly accommodating to the vision that Woodward has.
This is where we need a director of football that is onside with Woodward, but also able to bring their own footballing ideas to the party and to be able to convey that to a new coach and current/potential new players.
Scholes is entrenched in an idealised version of United that doesn’t exist anymore. It’s easier for him to sit there and critique the set up from the pundits chair than it is to take on the responsibility that I don’t think he has the personality, experience or know how for.
If you are looking at ex players I think Neville and Giggs would be better bets for such a position, even though I think they suffer from not having the correct credentials for the job either.
posted on 2/10/18
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
Scholes! Hes not the answer
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I love the guy so much, it may be clouding my judgement. But I still believe i am right even though I am not and we will also probably never find out as scholes has taken too many digs at the club it will be an awkward appointment for the guys in charge
posted on 2/10/18
choles is entrenched in an idealised version of United that doesn’t exist anymore. It’s easier for him to sit there and critique the set up from the pundits chair than it is to take on the responsibility that I don’t think he has the personality, experience or know how for.
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Against your arguement, I can't help but fell mine is "maybe" just a fanboy dellusion. Well done
posted on 2/10/18
DoF role really varies by club
I think you could have him mostly ambassadorial for the first couple of years while he picks up the jobs he will need to take on. Loaning players is usually the big one
posted on 2/10/18
Rumours say our club is looking at Ballack who is equally unqualified but I think a big name like that has it's own benefits - especially if he is working a lot with youth and fringe squad players
posted on 3/10/18
A little bit, yeah.
I do think with any new director of football it’s not simply a case of understanding what United are about but trying to actually establish what we are.
It doesn’t have to be a case of trying to replicate what Fergie established as it’s basically impossible, but looking at what is workable from that era with a new take on how other big clubs manage to maintain themselves at the top. We have to establish our own identity again.
With that in mind it’s worth noting that not all the top clubs, even Barca, are slaves to footballing style. So while having a director of football that sees attacking football as a fundamental part of their vision, one that allows a bit of pragmitism in approach to coaching, as long as it’s practical with the playing staff, would allow their job of getting prospective coaches in the short and mid term that bit easier and would potentially lead to more stability.
Who the fack that may be is anyone’s guess. Bayern are probably the best proponents of this way of running a club. The irony being most of them are ex players.
posted on 3/10/18
comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
There is nothing whatsoever that qualifies Scholes for a DoF role.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly that.
United need to get someone proven and experienced in delivering in that specific role. A Zorc or Monchi would be ideal.
Part of the reason united are in the mess they are in is because they have someone inexperienced in a very influential role that is clearly well out of his depth, in Woodward.
You need to be brave in your next managerial acquisition but sensible in the backroom staff roles, be it CEO or DOF.
posted on 3/10/18
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 3/10/18
The trouble with Utd over the past few years is they've looked for a quick fix for SAF leaving. Instead of giving a manager time to implement their own "philosophy" they've looked for instant impact.
Liverpool (as much as I love this!), Man City and Tottenham all have one thing in common... a manager that has been given time and complete control of how the club, on the pitch, moves forward.
What you're currently going through reminds me of our fall from grace that we (I hope) look to have come back from.
posted on 3/10/18
Having a vision and implementing a vision are two very different things.
posted on 3/10/18
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 18 minutes ago
Having a vision and implementing a vision are two very different things.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ditto
Nobody understands the club better than SAF, yet he was the one who suggested Moyes.
posted on 3/10/18
Surely United's success was built on one man running the club.
Mourinho is similar to Ferguson in many ways, and yet he has joined a very different United to throne SAF left.
You should let him do what he wants, in the way he wants, and the Director of Football/Deal Maker should report to him, not the other way around.
Or you sack him, immediately.
posted on 3/10/18
Surely United's success was built on one man running the club.
...............................
Yes and No. It was built under SAF, but not on the principal of it being one man. Read SAF's comments in his book about his gratitude to his backroom staff.
..................................
Mourinho is similar to Ferguson in many ways
...................................
I am struggling to list many.
posted on 3/10/18
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Surely United's success was built on one man running the club.
...............................
Yes and No. It was built under SAF, but not on the principal of it being one man. Read SAF's comments in his book about his gratitude to his backroom staff.
..................................
Mourinho is similar to Ferguson in many ways
...................................
I am struggling to list many.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
HIS back room staff !
Mourinho shares many attributes with SAF
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