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comment by bomdia (U13941)

posted on 15/11/18

The turnout of young, better educated people in the referendum was pretty low. Many of those who didn't vote would do so in a second referendum and would probably vote remain.

Boris didn't really want to leave, he wanted to be PM and saw a leave vote as the way to get that. Having to lie about more money for the NHS etc didn't bother him a jot. The whole thing is a catastrophe and anyone who really thought that EU countries would make it easy to leave was naïve beyond words. Countries such as France will gleefully hoover up jobs that have to leave London to remain in the EU. Clearly the EU needs reform but leaving was only ever going to be a car crash and our children will pay the price sadly until the UK re-joins on much less favourable terms.

posted on 15/11/18

It's akin to moving into the spare room. Still living in the same place under the same conditions...nothing really changes except the billions it has already cost and the billions more it will cost

The idiots that voted on the basis of immigration. It's just embarrassing how many stupid people we have in this country

The blind fools who can't understand how you actually need immigration and if we aren't getting EU citizens then all that will happen in reality is the level of Non EU immigration will increase!

In the meantime because of this farce everyone of us continues to pay more for everything, as we have since the vote and the devaluation of the £!

When the idiots are stood in that non EU immigration queue at the airport having had to get a visa sorted out to go to Spain and have had to spend a lot more for the same holiday may they realise the truth of what they actually voted for. Utterly clueless *****

posted on 15/11/18

comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 8 minutes ago
It's akin to moving into the spare room. Still living in the same place under the same conditions...nothing really changes except the billions it has already cost and the billions more it will cost

The idiots that voted on the basis of immigration. It's just embarrassing how many stupid people we have in this country

The blind fools who can't understand how you actually need immigration and if we aren't getting EU citizens then all that will happen in reality is the level of Non EU immigration will increase!

In the meantime because of this farce everyone of us continues to pay more for everything, as we have since the vote and the devaluation of the £!

When the idiots are stood in that non EU immigration queue at the airport having had to get a visa sorted out to go to Spain and have had to spend a lot more for the same holiday may they realise the truth of what they actually voted for. Utterly clueless *****
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Cliche ridden stereotyping there.

May just said FOM will end, so mass immigration and rapid demographic change has been addressed.Brussels accepted the Fom rationale, obviously, so not just ignorant racism.

Europe moves far right partly due to FOM.....and ignoring that worry about mass immigration partially led to brexit.

By insulting people and name calling you weaken your narrative.

The blind fools I ow we need immigration gration,, but not mass immigration, especially unskilled.A report this week revealed the worst off working class brits were suffering from the impact of mass unskilled immigration, as power and jobs to to the guy who accepts less pay and rights.

People like you make me glad I voted leave😁

posted on 15/11/18

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 8 minutes ago
It's akin to moving into the spare room. Still living in the same place under the same conditions...nothing really changes except the billions it has already cost and the billions more it will cost

The idiots that voted on the basis of immigration. It's just embarrassing how many stupid people we have in this country

The blind fools who can't understand how you actually need immigration and if we aren't getting EU citizens then all that will happen in reality is the level of Non EU immigration will increase!

In the meantime because of this farce everyone of us continues to pay more for everything, as we have since the vote and the devaluation of the £!

When the idiots are stood in that non EU immigration queue at the airport having had to get a visa sorted out to go to Spain and have had to spend a lot more for the same holiday may they realise the truth of what they actually voted for. Utterly clueless *****
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Cliche ridden stereotyping there.

May just said FOM will end, so mass immigration and rapid demographic change has been addressed.Brussels accepted the Fom rationale, obviously, so not just ignorant racism.

Europe moves far right partly due to FOM.....and ignoring that worry about mass immigration partially led to brexit.

By insulting people and name calling you weaken your narrative.

The blind fools I ow we need immigration gration,, but not mass immigration, especially unskilled.A report this week revealed the worst off working class brits were suffering from the impact of mass unskilled immigration, as power and jobs to to the guy who accepts less pay and rights.

People like you make me glad I voted leave😁
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Bleeding autocorrect😵

posted on 15/11/18

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posted on 15/11/18

The UK needs around 230k extra people a year to keep the economy growing at the same rate.

Whether these people are from Eu or extra EU thu are needed and will arrive.

Yes will be low skilled there as well as all parts of the economy need to grow.

posted on 15/11/18

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 18 minutes ago
It's akin to moving into the spare room. Still living in the same place under the same conditions...nothing really changes except the billions it has already cost and the billions more it will cost

The idiots that voted on the basis of immigration. It's just embarrassing how many stupid people we have in this country

The blind fools who can't understand how you actually need immigration and if we aren't getting EU citizens then all that will happen in reality is the level of Non EU immigration will increase!

In the meantime because of this farce everyone of us continues to pay more for everything, as we have since the vote and the devaluation of the £!

When the idiots are stood in that non EU immigration queue at the airport having had to get a visa sorted out to go to Spain and have had to spend a lot more for the same holiday may they realise the truth of what they actually voted for. Utterly clueless *****
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Psychoanalysts say something about people that feel the need to put people down in disagreements rather than convey their own message.
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Everyday I read this.

When did it become socially acceptable to mock and question the mental capacity of those around you?

I mean, you would not survive on social media stereotyping on gender, sexuality, race or faith, but attack the allegedly thick "chavve" subset, and this is cool?

Weird world.

posted on 15/11/18

There are no cohesive arguments for Brexit. Literally the Turkeys have voted for Christmas

Relying on the lame, sick and lazy British. That's not a future

You need immigration....there is a net positive to having EU immigration however all that will happen now is more Non EU immigration. This is the immigration that we've always been able to control!

Yet, what we've actually done is control this badly, taking in basically friends & family, allow thousands of students from overseas each year to pay into the Universities coffers & study at bogus colleges. We've ended up offering more and more people a lower standard of education and stood by as many people have just disappeared into society and pushed on our services

But it's all the EU's fault

posted on 15/11/18

If people have been stupid then sometimes you just need to say it

There are far too many snowflakes out there and far too many have been given ready made excuses for what they haven't taken responsibility for

If you flunked school, if you couldn't be bothered, if you can't get out of bed, be reliable, hold down a job and stop expecting the world to owe you something then you have a chance

You can't hide and blame other people who come to try and make a life for themselves and family by working hard and bettering themselves

It's about responsibility frankly, there is too little of it, making a hundred and one excuses for everything

Our societal issues are not the fault of the EU!

If you just come out with irrational statements that have no basis on reality or basic common sense economics like 'we'll be able to get better deals' then expect to be mocked because you aren't providing any coherent argument as to why that would happen

Repeating the rubbish spoken by Eurosceptic tories, the Daily Mail & Express and chancers like Boris who is only interested in trying to become Prime Minister and will literally **** over the whole country to do then sorry but you are a fool, its a shame but you are kidding yourself

posted on 15/11/18

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 minutes ago
The UK needs around 230k extra people a year to keep the economy growing at the same rate.

Whether these people are from Eu or extra EU thu are needed and will arrive.

Yes will be low skilled there as well as all parts of the economy need to grow.
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Yes, we need immigration, and there are positives.

Yes, some brits are lazy and workshy....a fact remain supporters and Tory elites agree on.

Rapid demographic change also has negatives....lack of community cohesion and pressure on schools, hospitals, housing, and some unskilled work.

National identity and sense of belonging are affected as whole areas change in a few short years.

Same around the world when change comes quickly to any nation, town or group.

Human nature.

There is a reason why Southall is largely indian, while other areas may be West Indian, white English, white Irish, northvAfrican, Polish, Chinese, Turkisn, middle eastern etc.

In two decades there will be 3.5 b people in Africa and middle East and many will want to move here.

What number should we let in?

posted on 15/11/18

comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 10 minutes ago
There are no cohesive arguments for Brexit. Literally the Turkeys have voted for Christmas

Relying on the lame, sick and lazy British. That's not a future

You need immigration....there is a net positive to having EU immigration however all that will happen now is more Non EU immigration. This is the immigration that we've always been able to control!

Yet, what we've actually done is control this badly, taking in basically friends & family, allow thousands of students from overseas each year to pay into the Universities coffers & study at bogus colleges. We've ended up offering more and more people a lower standard of education and stood by as many people have just disappeared into society and pushed on our services

But it's all the EU's fault

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Labelling your neighbours and countrymen and women as sick, lazy and lame?Brilliant motivational speaker😉

Stopped reading there👍

posted on 15/11/18

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posted on 15/11/18

comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 4 minutes ago
If people have been stupid then sometimes you just need to say it

There are far too many snowflakes out there and far too many have been given ready made excuses for what they haven't taken responsibility for

If you flunked school, if you couldn't be bothered, if you can't get out of bed, be reliable, hold down a job and stop expecting the world to owe you something then you have a chance

You can't hide and blame other people who come to try and make a life for themselves and family by working hard and bettering themselves

It's about responsibility frankly, there is too little of it, making a hundred and one excuses for everything

Our societal issues are not the fault of the EU!

If you just come out with irrational statements that have no basis on reality or basic common sense economics like 'we'll be able to get better deals' then expect to be mocked because you aren't providing any coherent argument as to why that would happen

Repeating the rubbish spoken by Eurosceptic tories, the Daily Mail & Express and chancers like Boris who is only interested in trying to become Prime Minister and will literally **** over the whole country to do then sorry but you are a fool, its a shame but you are kidding yourself
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I back remain now and a vote on the final deal.

😎

posted on 15/11/18

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 6 seconds ago
If people have been stupid then sometimes you just need to say it

There are far too many snowflakes out there and far too many have been given ready made excuses for what they haven't taken responsibility for

If you flunked school, if you couldn't be bothered, if you can't get out of bed, be reliable, hold down a job and stop expecting the world to owe you something then you have a chance

You can't hide and blame other people who come to try and make a life for themselves and family by working hard and bettering themselves

It's about responsibility frankly, there is too little of it, making a hundred and one excuses for everything

Our societal issues are not the fault of the EU!

If you just come out with irrational statements that have no basis on reality or basic common sense economics like 'we'll be able to get better deals' then expect to be mocked because you aren't providing any coherent argument as to why that would happen

Repeating the rubbish spoken by Eurosceptic tories, the Daily Mail & Express and chancers like Boris who is only interested in trying to become Prime Minister and will literally **** over the whole country to do then sorry but you are a fool, its a shame but you are kidding yourself
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Pretty much agree with what you said there. While some will point out immigration/racism for the leave vote, I think for many is was just a way of being heard - conscious or subconscious.

Many people are facked off and this vote was a way to 'get something back', however misplaced their intentions were.
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As you said before, leave voters often aimed their wrath at brussels, when globalism, neo liberaism, Tory and socialist had let them down.

That said, how the European union operates with Greece,,Italy,,Poland,,Hungary and Spain raises legitimate concerns....dictating to members, forcing Greek austerity, trying to stop Italian budgets, making Irish vote again on Lisbon, and now treating the UK like dirt.

Guys such as Tusk, Juncker, barnier and Verhofstadt are pretty nasty little Hitler types......unelected and openly hostile towards the UK who helped create and fund their expansionist superstate....now to get a new army.

posted on 15/11/18

A lot of the people who voted based on immigration thought they were also voting to get rid of Asylum Seekers, and basically other non white immigrants. In the run up Heard countless people interviewed and talking about how people from places like Pakistan had taken away the British culture etc. I was always amazed the interviewer never corrected them. Funny thing is, if we leave immigration will have to increasingly come more from non white countries, which will pîśs the gammons off even more. Because they wouldn’t have really noticed all the foreign white Europeans coming in before (until they heard an acccent)

This country relies a lot on immigration (as do many others). That will not chance for the foreseeable future. Whatever happens with Brexit, immigrantion will not noticeably come down. It’ll just come from a different source. So voting out just on immigration was fecking stupid

posted on 16/11/18

" I was always amazed the interviewer never corrected them."

One of the biggest problems with Brexit. An uninformed press publishing the views of a largely uninformed populace.

comment by MBL. (U6305)

posted on 16/11/18

Funny how the European army they denied would be a thing is now openly a thing.

posted on 16/11/18

comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 14 minutes ago
Funny how the European army they denied would be a thing is now openly a thing.
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For info:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/09/david-cameron-blocks-eu-treaty

comment by MBL. (U6305)

posted on 16/11/18

I’m pro Europe by the way

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