comment by (U19770)
posted 3 minutes ago
Scholes was underrated then retired and has become overrated. Go figure!
Media BS will often big up a player, which will more than likely make them overrated, like Rashford when he first came along.
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This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 53 minutes ago
I think to me what’s annoying is there’s no nuance or sometimes analytical thought given when it comes to analysing a player. They’re either ‘rubbish’ or they’re good, no inbetween. Or a good example is Lukaku, who starts for one of the strongest international teams, regularly scores PL goals (The season he scored 26 league goals for a chit Everton side is really underrated. When was the last time you see players outside of top 4/top 6 even challenge for golden boot), is described as rubbish or terrible more than I care to remember, he has flaws but he’s clearly a good striker / good goalsvorer at a high level.
Other similar examples are Walker or until recently Sterling. They’re clearly good players but how many times do you just hear people say ‘they’re bang average’.
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No ond denies he's a good PL level goalscorer, but that's his ceiling.
I would say Willian is a good example of this, at the start people would focus more on what he couldn't do as opposed to could, now it's gone well too far the other way, especially with the pundits who seem to think he's not far of Eden.
comment by Under The Bridge (U21614)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would say Willian is a good example of this, at the start people would focus more on what he couldn't do as opposed to could, now it's gone well too far the other way, especially with the pundits who seem to think he's not far of Eden.
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Aye, Willian’s a great example. People look at an obvious attribute, in this case pace, and say that’s all he has, despite evidence that his close control and dribbling abilities are excellent.
The amount of times he collects the ball halfway inside his own half and drives into the opponents half with the ball at his feet is really impressive.
Yes you need pace to do that but the composure to control, turn then the ability to keep the ball close to you, while under pressure, shows more skillsets than “just pace” IMO.
comment by Under The Bridge (U21614)
posted 4 minutes ago
I would say Willian is a good example of this, at the start people would focus more on what he couldn't do as opposed to could, now it's gone well too far the other way, especially with the pundits who seem to think he's not far of Eden.
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Rival fans often use the trick of overstating a players importance to diminish how significant the star player is to the team.
Chelsea fans generally agree Hazard carried the team to the 14/15 title. However, for some reason I have heard from rival fans that it was actually Costa, Fabregas or Terry who were more important.
Its actually pretty freakish how common you hear it, its like the rivalry extends a lot too star players of team.
Anyone who generally thinks Willian is anywhere near Hazard in quality needs to be medically checked!
Costa,Terry and Fabregas were as instrumental in Chelsea 2014-2015 league title win as Hazard though.
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 2 minutes ago
Costa,Terry and Fabregas were as instrumental in Chelsea 2014-2015 league title win as Hazard though.
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What is funny Black Hawk?Do you think Chelsea would have won the title without Fabregas' assists,Costa's goals and Terry organising the defence of Chelsea?
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 5 minutes ago
What is funny Black Hawk?Do you think Chelsea would have won the title without Fabregas' assists,Costa's goals and Terry organising the defence of Chelsea?
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Ah, it's funny because my point was about rival fans making that statement, and here you are going against my point.
No they were important, but most of the players mentioned were awful for the 2nd half of the season.
Personally, I think overrated is underrated .............
..... but I am willing to concede that underrated may well not be that overrated
Or not
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Costa,Terry and Fabregas were as instrumental in Chelsea 2014-2015 league title win as Hazard though.
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posted 11 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Overrated and underrated have become so underrated as terms, I actually think that posts overrating and underrating players don’t get the credit they deserve.
That will all change of course as we start seeing more and more people claiming that overrated and underrated are underrated and as a result people start overrating overrated and underrated.
In any case, this whole discussion around overrating and underrating and whether overrated and underrated are overrated or underrated is overrated IMO.
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Average comment.
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Unrated.
A vacillating irresolute comment.
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I disagree 🤑🤑🤑🤑
I've heard of players so "underrated", that they become horribly overrated. Just look at Ramires, a pretty decent to average footballer, who was sometimes wildly praised despite being extremely flawed.
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I must of missed this during my near decade of being on this siteand 100s of games I went to where ramires played.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 10 minutes ago
I've heard of players so "underrated", that they become horribly overrated. Just look at Ramires, a pretty decent to average footballer, who was sometimes wildly praised despite being extremely flawed.
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I must of missed this during my near decade of being on this siteand 100s of games I went to where ramires played.
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I heard this more from opposition fans
good lord...what a complete sharticle this is...
Ramires was never in my memory overrated...he was rated most weeks as not much use in general, with the odd bit of brilliance thrown in to confuse us
Scholes...under rated...not by Utd fans he wasn't
were you bored OP
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 54 minutes ago
good lord...what a complete sharticle this is...
Ramires was never in my memory overrated...he was rated most weeks as not much use in general, with the odd bit of brilliance thrown in to confuse us
Scholes...under rated...not by Utd fans he wasn't
were you bored OP
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Don't be so triggered!
Honestly, if you do not like my examples then have a read of the comments made by BK. He puts forward some good examples
comment by The Black Hawk War, or, How to Demolish an Ent... (U16342)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 54 minutes ago
good lord...what a complete sharticle this is...
Ramires was never in my memory overrated...he was rated most weeks as not much use in general, with the odd bit of brilliance thrown in to confuse us
Scholes...under rated...not by Utd fans he wasn't
were you bored OP
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Don't be so triggered!
Honestly, if you do not like my examples then have a read of the comments made by BK. He puts forward some good examples
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Someone needed to
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by The Black Hawk War, or, How to Demolish an Ent... (U16342)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 54 minutes ago
good lord...what a complete sharticle this is...
Ramires was never in my memory overrated...he was rated most weeks as not much use in general, with the odd bit of brilliance thrown in to confuse us
Scholes...under rated...not by Utd fans he wasn't
were you bored OP
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Don't be so triggered!
Honestly, if you do not like my examples then have a read of the comments made by BK. He puts forward some good examples
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Someone needed to
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So you don't think there isn't a constant conversation on whether Scholes is "overrated", or "underated"?
And come on, Ramires was often labeled as a underrated player.
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comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
comment by Under The Bridge (U21614)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would say Willian is a good example of this, at the start people would focus more on what he couldn't do as opposed to could, now it's gone well too far the other way, especially with the pundits who seem to think he's not far of Eden.
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Aye, Willian’s a great example. People look at an obvious attribute, in this case pace, and say that’s all he has, despite evidence that his close control and dribbling abilities are excellent.
The amount of times he collects the ball halfway inside his own half and drives into the opponents half with the ball at his feet is really impressive.
Yes you need pace to do that but the composure to control, turn then the ability to keep the ball close to you, while under pressure, shows more skillsets than “just pace” IMO.
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He's naturally gifted (which probably gives people who don't watch him regularly the aura that he's better than he is) and he's a good ball carrier but his decision making in the final 3rd badly lets him down. Plus he's a rubbish set piece taker.
funny thing with willian is we hear about this supposed pace, but hardly, if ever, see it. His dribbling and close control as well as ball retention are much stronger attributes of his.
Infact he slows the play down way too much
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posted on 17/11/18
comment by (U19770)
posted 3 minutes ago
Scholes was underrated then retired and has become overrated. Go figure!
Media BS will often big up a player, which will more than likely make them overrated, like Rashford when he first came along.
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This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about.
posted on 17/11/18
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 53 minutes ago
I think to me what’s annoying is there’s no nuance or sometimes analytical thought given when it comes to analysing a player. They’re either ‘rubbish’ or they’re good, no inbetween. Or a good example is Lukaku, who starts for one of the strongest international teams, regularly scores PL goals (The season he scored 26 league goals for a chit Everton side is really underrated. When was the last time you see players outside of top 4/top 6 even challenge for golden boot), is described as rubbish or terrible more than I care to remember, he has flaws but he’s clearly a good striker / good goalsvorer at a high level.
Other similar examples are Walker or until recently Sterling. They’re clearly good players but how many times do you just hear people say ‘they’re bang average’.
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No ond denies he's a good PL level goalscorer, but that's his ceiling.
posted on 17/11/18
I would say Willian is a good example of this, at the start people would focus more on what he couldn't do as opposed to could, now it's gone well too far the other way, especially with the pundits who seem to think he's not far of Eden.
posted on 17/11/18
comment by Under The Bridge (U21614)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would say Willian is a good example of this, at the start people would focus more on what he couldn't do as opposed to could, now it's gone well too far the other way, especially with the pundits who seem to think he's not far of Eden.
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Aye, Willian’s a great example. People look at an obvious attribute, in this case pace, and say that’s all he has, despite evidence that his close control and dribbling abilities are excellent.
The amount of times he collects the ball halfway inside his own half and drives into the opponents half with the ball at his feet is really impressive.
Yes you need pace to do that but the composure to control, turn then the ability to keep the ball close to you, while under pressure, shows more skillsets than “just pace” IMO.
posted on 17/11/18
comment by Under The Bridge (U21614)
posted 4 minutes ago
I would say Willian is a good example of this, at the start people would focus more on what he couldn't do as opposed to could, now it's gone well too far the other way, especially with the pundits who seem to think he's not far of Eden.
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Rival fans often use the trick of overstating a players importance to diminish how significant the star player is to the team.
Chelsea fans generally agree Hazard carried the team to the 14/15 title. However, for some reason I have heard from rival fans that it was actually Costa, Fabregas or Terry who were more important.
Its actually pretty freakish how common you hear it, its like the rivalry extends a lot too star players of team.
Anyone who generally thinks Willian is anywhere near Hazard in quality needs to be medically checked!
posted on 17/11/18
Costa,Terry and Fabregas were as instrumental in Chelsea 2014-2015 league title win as Hazard though.
posted on 17/11/18
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 2 minutes ago
Costa,Terry and Fabregas were as instrumental in Chelsea 2014-2015 league title win as Hazard though.
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posted on 17/11/18
What is funny Black Hawk?Do you think Chelsea would have won the title without Fabregas' assists,Costa's goals and Terry organising the defence of Chelsea?
posted on 17/11/18
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 5 minutes ago
What is funny Black Hawk?Do you think Chelsea would have won the title without Fabregas' assists,Costa's goals and Terry organising the defence of Chelsea?
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Ah, it's funny because my point was about rival fans making that statement, and here you are going against my point.
No they were important, but most of the players mentioned were awful for the 2nd half of the season.
posted on 17/11/18
Personally, I think overrated is underrated .............
..... but I am willing to concede that underrated may well not be that overrated
Or not
posted on 17/11/18
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
Costa,Terry and Fabregas were as instrumental in Chelsea 2014-2015 league title win as Hazard though.
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posted on 17/11/18
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posted on 18/11/18
comment by Dave NotSo (U11711)
posted 11 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Overrated and underrated have become so underrated as terms, I actually think that posts overrating and underrating players don’t get the credit they deserve.
That will all change of course as we start seeing more and more people claiming that overrated and underrated are underrated and as a result people start overrating overrated and underrated.
In any case, this whole discussion around overrating and underrating and whether overrated and underrated are overrated or underrated is overrated IMO.
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Average comment.
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Unrated.
A vacillating irresolute comment.
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I disagree 🤑🤑🤑🤑
posted on 18/11/18
I've heard of players so "underrated", that they become horribly overrated. Just look at Ramires, a pretty decent to average footballer, who was sometimes wildly praised despite being extremely flawed.
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I must of missed this during my near decade of being on this siteand 100s of games I went to where ramires played.
posted on 18/11/18
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 10 minutes ago
I've heard of players so "underrated", that they become horribly overrated. Just look at Ramires, a pretty decent to average footballer, who was sometimes wildly praised despite being extremely flawed.
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I must of missed this during my near decade of being on this siteand 100s of games I went to where ramires played.
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I heard this more from opposition fans
posted on 18/11/18
good lord...what a complete sharticle this is...
Ramires was never in my memory overrated...he was rated most weeks as not much use in general, with the odd bit of brilliance thrown in to confuse us
Scholes...under rated...not by Utd fans he wasn't
were you bored OP
posted on 18/11/18
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 54 minutes ago
good lord...what a complete sharticle this is...
Ramires was never in my memory overrated...he was rated most weeks as not much use in general, with the odd bit of brilliance thrown in to confuse us
Scholes...under rated...not by Utd fans he wasn't
were you bored OP
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Don't be so triggered!
Honestly, if you do not like my examples then have a read of the comments made by BK. He puts forward some good examples
posted on 18/11/18
comment by The Black Hawk War, or, How to Demolish an Ent... (U16342)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 54 minutes ago
good lord...what a complete sharticle this is...
Ramires was never in my memory overrated...he was rated most weeks as not much use in general, with the odd bit of brilliance thrown in to confuse us
Scholes...under rated...not by Utd fans he wasn't
were you bored OP
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Don't be so triggered!
Honestly, if you do not like my examples then have a read of the comments made by BK. He puts forward some good examples
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Someone needed to
posted on 18/11/18
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by The Black Hawk War, or, How to Demolish an Ent... (U16342)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 54 minutes ago
good lord...what a complete sharticle this is...
Ramires was never in my memory overrated...he was rated most weeks as not much use in general, with the odd bit of brilliance thrown in to confuse us
Scholes...under rated...not by Utd fans he wasn't
were you bored OP
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Don't be so triggered!
Honestly, if you do not like my examples then have a read of the comments made by BK. He puts forward some good examples
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Someone needed to
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So you don't think there isn't a constant conversation on whether Scholes is "overrated", or "underated"?
And come on, Ramires was often labeled as a underrated player.
posted on 18/11/18
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posted on 18/11/18
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
comment by Under The Bridge (U21614)
posted 2 minutes ago
I would say Willian is a good example of this, at the start people would focus more on what he couldn't do as opposed to could, now it's gone well too far the other way, especially with the pundits who seem to think he's not far of Eden.
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Aye, Willian’s a great example. People look at an obvious attribute, in this case pace, and say that’s all he has, despite evidence that his close control and dribbling abilities are excellent.
The amount of times he collects the ball halfway inside his own half and drives into the opponents half with the ball at his feet is really impressive.
Yes you need pace to do that but the composure to control, turn then the ability to keep the ball close to you, while under pressure, shows more skillsets than “just pace” IMO.
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He's naturally gifted (which probably gives people who don't watch him regularly the aura that he's better than he is) and he's a good ball carrier but his decision making in the final 3rd badly lets him down. Plus he's a rubbish set piece taker.
posted on 19/11/18
funny thing with willian is we hear about this supposed pace, but hardly, if ever, see it. His dribbling and close control as well as ball retention are much stronger attributes of his.
Infact he slows the play down way too much
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