I am talking about Jonathan Trott.
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 5 hours, 59 minutes ago
Stupid to give someone a knighthood so soon after retiring. Would have no problem with him getting it in 5-10 years but barely 6 months after retiring come on give us a break.
Nasser and Atherton deserve a knighthood way more than Cook.
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Don’t think they do at all.
I keep going back to the Botham example. He was ignored for years and in the end it was his excellent charity work with child cancer which got him the knighthood. Botham was a much better cricketer than Cook.
This Cook career is the sort of MBE or OBE stuff.
Nasser Hussain and Micheal Atherton faced great bowlers like Wasim Akram,Shane Warne,Imran Khan,Curtly Ambrose,Shaun Pollock,Muralitharan,David Boon,Courtney Walsh,Waqar Younis,Saqlain Mushtaq,Geoff Elliott,Alan Donald,etc.Who did Cook face?Dale Steyn,Mohammad Amir,Zaheer Khan,Anderson,Shane Bond,Saeed Ajmal,Trent Boult,Mitchell Johnson,Starc etc.
Atherton and Hussain also faced great seamers like Glenn McGrath,Abdul Razzaq,etc.
Zahra this thread is not about who is the better player. It is more to do with the award of a knighthood (from the queen) which is the highest honour for a man to get here in the UK.
Normally you have to do something really exceptional to get this award but I can’t find out what exceptional thing Cook has done other than have a ‘good’ cricket career.
Look at Kenny Dagliesh who was one of the greatest British players and manager but had to wait till he was almost 70 to get the honour. His charity work with Hillsbourgh was also a contributing factor.
Fine Kash.So what Paul Gascoigne not do to not deserve a knighthood in British football for Rangers in Scotland and Tottenham in England?
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 56 seconds ago
Fine Kash.So what Paul Gascoigne not do to not deserve a knighthood in British football for Rangers in Scotland and Tottenham in England?
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Other than being a alcoholic, wife beater, racist, thug, womaniser and now sexual assault charge he has a chance
Strauss is more worthy than cook. Won the ashes twice as captain. Ok not as many runs but also the work he has carried out side he retired. Tragically cut short by his wife's illness.
Although a top player, I don't think that he deserved a knighthood. Having sad that I don't Southgate / Kane have done enough to get OBE/MBE's a this stage of their careers.
They just seem to be handing them out easily these days.
comment by Bennythedip - Living The Dream (U9359)
posted 6 hours, 25 minutes ago
Strauss is more worthy than cook. Won the ashes twice as captain. Ok not as many runs but also the work he has carried out side he retired. Tragically cut short by his wife's illness.
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Cook also won 2 ashes series’, also won in India.
Cook was probably a level below world class
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WTF? This is quite possibly your most stupid comment ever.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 hours, 1 minute ago
Cook was probably a level below world class
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WTF? This is quite possibly your most stupid comment ever.
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Rather than ridicule the comment why don’t you tell me how Cook was world class?
I’m not sure how you would determine a world class cricketer as it’s purely a stats based game. Like I’ve said before, the numbers do all the talking. 12k runs, 33 centuries, more runs than any other opener. Man of the series ashes 10/11, carrying his bat in the UAE, series wins in India and 2 captain victories against Australia. First captain worldwide to score a century in first five Tests, England's highest run scorer in India (866 runs). not sure how you can play down all these achievements. And don’t forget this is to do with England, and his contributions to England so comparing him to other international cricketers is a bit pointless. No one comes close to him for England regarding achievements.
Rather than ridicule the comment why don’t you tell me how Cook was world class?
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I don't need to. His record tells you that you utter imbecile.
No doubt he was world class, not that being world class warrants a knighthood.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 hours, 46 minutes ago
Rather than ridicule the comment why don’t you tell me how Cook was world class?
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I don't need to. His record tells you that you utter imbecile.
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Case closed then. Other than blow hot air you have nothing
comment by BODinho (U13924)
posted 2 days, 11 hours ago
Although a top player, I don't think that he deserved a knighthood. Having sad that I don't Southgate / Kane have done enough to get OBE/MBE's a this stage of their careers.
They just seem to be handing them out easily these days.
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They do and not just in sport. For example, what has Twiggy done to deserve to be a Dame (unless her charity work is absolutely fantastic)?
Talking about records in terms of quantity are fine if you want to talk about good, dedicated, even consistent players.
But true legends need to have quality stats along with quantity. Cook’s stats don’t stack up particularly well with other true great legends.
Don’t compare him with English batsmen in recent times, compare him with true greats from all countries and My opinion is that he was a level below the true legends.
Knighthoods for sporting achievements are being handed out too easily for a while now, this is just following the same pattern.
The problem with it, is it lowers expectations for what we consider truly great and our sportsmen/women will suffer. Then we will cry in a few years why other countries are ahead of us.
comment by JustTrue - (Ronnie wins his 7th UK Snooker T. (U13155)
posted 3 hours, 57 minutes ago
Talking about records in terms of quantity are fine if you want to talk about good, dedicated, even consistent players.
But true legends need to have quality stats along with quantity. Cook’s stats don’t stack up particularly well with other true great legends.
Don’t compare him with English batsmen in recent times, compare him with true greats from all countries and My opinion is that he was a level below the true legends.
Knighthoods for sporting achievements are being handed out too easily for a while now, this is just following the same pattern.
The problem with it, is it lowers expectations for what we consider truly great and our sportsmen/women will suffer. Then we will cry in a few years why other countries are ahead of us.
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How do stats of quantity differ from stats of quality in cricket? Quantity equals quality, that’s the point of the sport. And no one in recent times has contributed quite as much as Cook during his generation, didn’t have the shots of a KP but that was never the way he contributed. The man carried his bat throughout his whole career, and single handley tore the Aussies apart in 10/11, deserved knighthood.
Alec Stewart scored more runs in Test cricket than Don Bradman. Now I love Alec Stewart, but there’s no way he’s anywhere near Bradman.
That’s why quantity doesn’t equal quality.
Kapil took around 130 tests to break Hadlee’s Test record of 430 wickets (Hadlee did it in 86 tests with a much better average). Does quantity equal quality? Really?
Not in my eyes.
Sachin, higher average and more runs than Lara, but the latter was a better batsman, imho!!!
comment by JustTrue - (Ronnie wins his 7th UK Snooker Ti.. (U13155)
posted 28 minutes ago
Alec Stewart scored more runs in Test cricket than Don Bradman. Now I love Alec Stewart, but there’s no way he’s anywhere near Bradman.
That’s why quantity doesn’t equal quality.
Kapil took around 130 tests to break Hadlee’s Test record of 430 wickets (Hadlee did it in 86 tests with a much better average). Does quantity equal quality? Really?
Not in my eyes.
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I think comparing Stewart and Bradman is a bit silly. But like I said, Cook’s notable contributions to England cricket have rightly been awarded. What quality do you think he has been found lacking? Mental toughness? Scoring hundreds? Winning ashes series’ for England? Or is it because he doesn’t hit a perfect cover drive like some other batsmen who get nowhere near the numbers he does. So please, point me in the direction of his lack of quality
comment by (U19770)
posted 22 minutes ago
Sachin, higher average and more runs than Lara, but the latter was a better batsman, imho!!!
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How about Sir Ian Bell? Now there was a pretty batsmen.
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posted on 31/12/18
I am talking about Jonathan Trott.
posted on 31/12/18
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 5 hours, 59 minutes ago
Stupid to give someone a knighthood so soon after retiring. Would have no problem with him getting it in 5-10 years but barely 6 months after retiring come on give us a break.
Nasser and Atherton deserve a knighthood way more than Cook.
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Don’t think they do at all.
I keep going back to the Botham example. He was ignored for years and in the end it was his excellent charity work with child cancer which got him the knighthood. Botham was a much better cricketer than Cook.
This Cook career is the sort of MBE or OBE stuff.
posted on 31/12/18
Nasser Hussain and Micheal Atherton faced great bowlers like Wasim Akram,Shane Warne,Imran Khan,Curtly Ambrose,Shaun Pollock,Muralitharan,David Boon,Courtney Walsh,Waqar Younis,Saqlain Mushtaq,Geoff Elliott,Alan Donald,etc.Who did Cook face?Dale Steyn,Mohammad Amir,Zaheer Khan,Anderson,Shane Bond,Saeed Ajmal,Trent Boult,Mitchell Johnson,Starc etc.
posted on 31/12/18
Atherton and Hussain also faced great seamers like Glenn McGrath,Abdul Razzaq,etc.
posted on 31/12/18
Zahra this thread is not about who is the better player. It is more to do with the award of a knighthood (from the queen) which is the highest honour for a man to get here in the UK.
Normally you have to do something really exceptional to get this award but I can’t find out what exceptional thing Cook has done other than have a ‘good’ cricket career.
Look at Kenny Dagliesh who was one of the greatest British players and manager but had to wait till he was almost 70 to get the honour. His charity work with Hillsbourgh was also a contributing factor.
posted on 31/12/18
Fine Kash.So what Paul Gascoigne not do to not deserve a knighthood in British football for Rangers in Scotland and Tottenham in England?
posted on 31/12/18
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 56 seconds ago
Fine Kash.So what Paul Gascoigne not do to not deserve a knighthood in British football for Rangers in Scotland and Tottenham in England?
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Other than being a alcoholic, wife beater, racist, thug, womaniser and now sexual assault charge he has a chance
posted on 1/1/19
Strauss is more worthy than cook. Won the ashes twice as captain. Ok not as many runs but also the work he has carried out side he retired. Tragically cut short by his wife's illness.
posted on 1/1/19
Although a top player, I don't think that he deserved a knighthood. Having sad that I don't Southgate / Kane have done enough to get OBE/MBE's a this stage of their careers.
They just seem to be handing them out easily these days.
posted on 1/1/19
comment by Bennythedip - Living The Dream (U9359)
posted 6 hours, 25 minutes ago
Strauss is more worthy than cook. Won the ashes twice as captain. Ok not as many runs but also the work he has carried out side he retired. Tragically cut short by his wife's illness.
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Cook also won 2 ashes series’, also won in India.
posted on 2/1/19
Cook was probably a level below world class
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WTF? This is quite possibly your most stupid comment ever.
posted on 3/1/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 23 hours, 1 minute ago
Cook was probably a level below world class
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WTF? This is quite possibly your most stupid comment ever.
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Rather than ridicule the comment why don’t you tell me how Cook was world class?
posted on 3/1/19
I’m not sure how you would determine a world class cricketer as it’s purely a stats based game. Like I’ve said before, the numbers do all the talking. 12k runs, 33 centuries, more runs than any other opener. Man of the series ashes 10/11, carrying his bat in the UAE, series wins in India and 2 captain victories against Australia. First captain worldwide to score a century in first five Tests, England's highest run scorer in India (866 runs). not sure how you can play down all these achievements. And don’t forget this is to do with England, and his contributions to England so comparing him to other international cricketers is a bit pointless. No one comes close to him for England regarding achievements.
posted on 3/1/19
Rather than ridicule the comment why don’t you tell me how Cook was world class?
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I don't need to. His record tells you that you utter imbecile.
posted on 3/1/19
No doubt he was world class, not that being world class warrants a knighthood.
posted on 3/1/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 hours, 46 minutes ago
Rather than ridicule the comment why don’t you tell me how Cook was world class?
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I don't need to. His record tells you that you utter imbecile.
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Case closed then. Other than blow hot air you have nothing
posted on 3/1/19
comment by BODinho (U13924)
posted 2 days, 11 hours ago
Although a top player, I don't think that he deserved a knighthood. Having sad that I don't Southgate / Kane have done enough to get OBE/MBE's a this stage of their careers.
They just seem to be handing them out easily these days.
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They do and not just in sport. For example, what has Twiggy done to deserve to be a Dame (unless her charity work is absolutely fantastic)?
posted on 6/1/19
Talking about records in terms of quantity are fine if you want to talk about good, dedicated, even consistent players.
But true legends need to have quality stats along with quantity. Cook’s stats don’t stack up particularly well with other true great legends.
Don’t compare him with English batsmen in recent times, compare him with true greats from all countries and My opinion is that he was a level below the true legends.
Knighthoods for sporting achievements are being handed out too easily for a while now, this is just following the same pattern.
The problem with it, is it lowers expectations for what we consider truly great and our sportsmen/women will suffer. Then we will cry in a few years why other countries are ahead of us.
posted on 6/1/19
comment by JustTrue - (Ronnie wins his 7th UK Snooker T. (U13155)
posted 3 hours, 57 minutes ago
Talking about records in terms of quantity are fine if you want to talk about good, dedicated, even consistent players.
But true legends need to have quality stats along with quantity. Cook’s stats don’t stack up particularly well with other true great legends.
Don’t compare him with English batsmen in recent times, compare him with true greats from all countries and My opinion is that he was a level below the true legends.
Knighthoods for sporting achievements are being handed out too easily for a while now, this is just following the same pattern.
The problem with it, is it lowers expectations for what we consider truly great and our sportsmen/women will suffer. Then we will cry in a few years why other countries are ahead of us.
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How do stats of quantity differ from stats of quality in cricket? Quantity equals quality, that’s the point of the sport. And no one in recent times has contributed quite as much as Cook during his generation, didn’t have the shots of a KP but that was never the way he contributed. The man carried his bat throughout his whole career, and single handley tore the Aussies apart in 10/11, deserved knighthood.
posted on 6/1/19
Alec Stewart scored more runs in Test cricket than Don Bradman. Now I love Alec Stewart, but there’s no way he’s anywhere near Bradman.
That’s why quantity doesn’t equal quality.
Kapil took around 130 tests to break Hadlee’s Test record of 430 wickets (Hadlee did it in 86 tests with a much better average). Does quantity equal quality? Really?
Not in my eyes.
posted on 6/1/19
JT
posted on 6/1/19
Sachin, higher average and more runs than Lara, but the latter was a better batsman, imho!!!
posted on 6/1/19
comment by JustTrue - (Ronnie wins his 7th UK Snooker Ti.. (U13155)
posted 28 minutes ago
Alec Stewart scored more runs in Test cricket than Don Bradman. Now I love Alec Stewart, but there’s no way he’s anywhere near Bradman.
That’s why quantity doesn’t equal quality.
Kapil took around 130 tests to break Hadlee’s Test record of 430 wickets (Hadlee did it in 86 tests with a much better average). Does quantity equal quality? Really?
Not in my eyes.
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I think comparing Stewart and Bradman is a bit silly. But like I said, Cook’s notable contributions to England cricket have rightly been awarded. What quality do you think he has been found lacking? Mental toughness? Scoring hundreds? Winning ashes series’ for England? Or is it because he doesn’t hit a perfect cover drive like some other batsmen who get nowhere near the numbers he does. So please, point me in the direction of his lack of quality
posted on 6/1/19
comment by (U19770)
posted 22 minutes ago
Sachin, higher average and more runs than Lara, but the latter was a better batsman, imho!!!
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Cricket Blasphemy
posted on 6/1/19
How about Sir Ian Bell? Now there was a pretty batsmen.
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