Amazing how a Title win changes perspective ! I seem to recall a lot of your fans saying they wouldn't care if Leicester got relegated the following year during those final few weeks of the title season if you could just see it over the line
The table doesn't lie but it's not the end of the Season yet so we don;t know where we'll be which give s a 3rd option.
Mid table with Dire Football which is where I personally think we'll be at the end of the Season.
Puel's admitted his target is European Football to keep those youngsters at the Club you mentioned, particularly Maguire and Chilwell, so anything less than European is failure in his ow words, fair play to him if he achieves his target.
Diamond
There were some ‘supporters’ that voiced that mantra..... but realistically nobody wants to see their club relegated irrelevant of the trade off.
The title win was a ‘perfect storm’ and won’t happen again (or will it?😉)......but the majority of our supporters at the moment see this season as a ‘getting by, shocking football more than not, and a manager that has a good track record but hasn’t ‘connected’ with the fans at all (except for his handling of the helicopter tragedy).
TB
Completely agree, Puel has stated his target so anything less is failure.
But can we see this brand of football progressing? That’s where I am struggling at the moment, but as with all of our managers he has my support until he makes a right FUBAR!!!!!
UTF
From an outsiders view Puel does play some dire football... Lots of really good players at LC who don't appear to be playing to their strengths..... With the likes of Chilwell, Maguire, Maddison, Vardy, Gray, Schmeichel, Ricardo, Mendy and Evans you have a good team that defo play decent football and should challenge for Europa spot. I think Vardy was probably speaking for a lot of the others last week when he said the style of play doesn't suit him. Your players all looked bored & disinterested when Spurs won a the KP
Don't
I think he has connected with the fans that want to, the very noisy minority make it sound that no one wants him and that's not the case its just that they can't be Arsenaled to get involved in this one legged men arss kicking contest.
Either on here or the phone you hear people that would want us to lose if it would get rid of him, even at my NP angriest i would never want us to lose whatever manager we had.
comment by Don'tUpsetTheAppletonCart (U13248)
posted 15 minutes ago
Diamond
There were some ‘supporters’ that voiced that mantra..... but realistically nobody wants to see their club relegated irrelevant of the trade off.
The title win was a ‘perfect storm’ and won’t happen again (or will it?😉)......but the majority of our supporters at the moment see this season as a ‘getting by, shocking football more than not, and a manager that has a good track record but hasn’t ‘connected’ with the fans at all (except for his handling of the helicopter tragedy).
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Interesting..... Tricky spot for you guys... kinda feels like you're stuck between a rock & a hard place.... at least you have the finances to do something about it... Good luck the rest of the way !
Great post - please contribute more.
I would always say that points are more important than performances. There is not a doubt about that.
But personally I don’t believe the two are separate. For me good performances get results. There’s an outdated argument to suggest you can play negatively and get results. You can’t.
In my opinion, our performances have been poor, and it’s my belief that if this continues the points will also dry up. This isn’t an expectation that we go out and play like Barcelona, it’s just a recognition that if we continue to play as we are I think we’ll slide.
I could be wrong, but performances = points for me.
Never ever seen anyone on here want to see Leicester Lose?
Points are always more important - I hate Puels football but love the 9 points from 12. The problem Puel has is that historically the points haven’t always accompanied the awful football. Another run like the 5 wins in 21 games last season and he won’t survive.
My feeling is that we will throw away more points against sides we need to beat and will stumble to 9th place, which would be no better than last year. That wouldn’t save him with the amount of disharmony we hear about in the dressing room
Nev - of course he hasn’t connected with the fans. You’ve bemoaned yourself on any number of occasions that the fans don’t chant for him.
I’ve always seen pros and cons to Puel myself, but it’s very much head over heart. Regardless, it’s much easier to want him to stay when he’s just racked up 9 points out of 12.
As for whether performances or results are more important, I don’t think it’s a simple either/or question, and everyone will have different levels of acceptability on a sliding scale for both. Personally however, I think people tend to espouse “I’d rather lose playing good football” until it actually starts happening.
Does there have to be an either or?
Puel has us playing excellent football and racking in the points when he came then inexplicably changed it to the fire dirge we get now!
I bet Nev thinks we’re getting the points through his possession brand of Football but we aren’t, swift attacking has got us the majority of our goals and points this Season when we haven’t been able to play Puel’s way.
The perfect solution is for him to change tack but he won’t will he?
Put it another way, if I saw enough evidence over the last 12 months that we can carry on playing like we did yesterday and finish 7th I wouldn’t be moaning at all I’d be over the moon with that.
I just think sooner or later, poor performances start giving you a poor points return and vice versa. We saw it last season with the 5 wins in 21 games, we have seen it this season for spells
If we finish 7th or even 8th I won’t care
I always say that winning matches and gathering points gives you the platform to have a conversation about the other things. If you’re not picking up enough points you’re doomed whichever way you approach games. Fans won’t follow losing football.
I do agree, however, that the two things aren’t mutually exclusive. We weren’t the prettiest side when we won the league from a purists point of view, but it was incredibly exciting.
The only place I think I differ from others is in expectation. European football is a lofty ambition. You have to finish top 5 or win a cup to qualify and the big six usually have a lock out on those criteria. Fortunately this means that the big six win both cups and open up qualification down to 7th place. That essentially means we’ve got to win our league - within a league - and see off teams like Everton, West Ham and Wolves who have similar aspirations and deep pocketed owners. Yes, of course we can achieve it, but we’re essentially all shooting for one spot as we’re still miles behind the top six.
I’m happy with where we are under Puel and 7th-9th represents a fairly successful season in my view. My fear with the manager is currently nothing to do with points, but future direction. If we ever did get into trouble I’m not sure he could lift us out of it playing as we do. Maybe I’m worrying over nothing, but I still do worry with each game I see under Puel.
Dung i have changed my opinion a bit on the chanting since i have been make the whole focus on the chants have been Vichai and it being his team.
I think the booing of the substitution of Vardy was anti puel not about Ian.
But talking to people i meet apart from one very big row leaving the ground last week most are giving him the benifit of the double and not think the next game he loses i want him out as some on hear do.
People who i respect and are season ticket holders where not booing or call the manager out maybe its those who sing where were you when we were poo.
Seventh is where Everton Wolves etc aspire to be and we are there but moaning about
Think people have missed the key point. There’s only so long you can perform poorly and keep winning.
I don’t think we’re playing full defensive football, I think we’re performing poorly. In my view, the points will soon dry up if we don’t improve our performances.
We’re all happy with 9 from 12 including a fantastic performance against Man City. Case in point.
Was yesterday a poor performance? You where there both teams could not pass to each other for the first half and then the second half we where the better team and won deservedly.
Hows that a poor performance set up the block it worked brought Albrighton on rested key players Choudry gets another run out Evans to then back to Leicester with the points happy days.
Cardiff was a difficult match and we performed really poorly against man city NOT a great win straight in there with famous wins for LCFC you would of been carrying Nigel around on your shoulders if he had one that.
We are never going to agree but the difference is i will tell you when i think its time for Puel to go until then i have faith in what he is trying to achieve.
Nev are seriously asking it yesterday was a poor performance? Just because Everton were equally terrible it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a bad performance from us. That mirrored the West Ham game at home for me, dreadful first half absolutely bailed out by a red card and deflected shot. Same yesterday except the red card was Michael Keane literally giving us the ball just outside the penalty area.
I mean I’ll take it but that kind of football won’t get you 7th place by the end of the season. Wolves will get 7th I think this year
lets have a referendum !!
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 6 minutes ago
lets have a referendum !!
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BS you are going back to find the things that help your argument we are getting better we are better than against West Ham. No other manager would be being given pelters because he won three out of four games.
You guys sound so childish now like the guy who said on the readio i will give my season tickets back and i don't watch England now because the way we play.
All we hear is papering over the cracks what cracks.
Heaven forbid when He gets Harvey Barnes back and plays him you are going to run out of things to moan about
“There is only so long you can keep performing poorly and keep winning”
“I have faith in what he is trying to achieve”
You have there the two key points from the most vocal people on each side of the argument.
I have no desire to change manager as I’m happy with where we are in the table and the younger players that have broken through into the team. However I worry very much about the standard of our performances and share Mersey’s worry about it crashing down around us.
To Nev’s point I can’t see what we’re trying to achieve. I can’t see the long term plan and what pieces of the jigsaw are missing.
In other words if I could reconcile the first argument with the second then I’d be happy (short term pain for long term gain) - but I can’t! There is an air of inevitability about Puel eventually failing, If someone could help me visualise the plan then I’d happily fall into the Puel in camp.
Sorry Joby, I don’t think I’m the man for that job!
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sorry Joby, I don’t think I’m the man for that job!
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No, but Nev clearly is.
He has faith in what Puel is trying to achieve.
So, what is he trying to achieve and how will we know when we’ve got there?
I’d happily back Puel and worry less if I could see it.
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posted on 2/1/19
Amazing how a Title win changes perspective ! I seem to recall a lot of your fans saying they wouldn't care if Leicester got relegated the following year during those final few weeks of the title season if you could just see it over the line
posted on 2/1/19
The table doesn't lie but it's not the end of the Season yet so we don;t know where we'll be which give s a 3rd option.
Mid table with Dire Football which is where I personally think we'll be at the end of the Season.
Puel's admitted his target is European Football to keep those youngsters at the Club you mentioned, particularly Maguire and Chilwell, so anything less than European is failure in his ow words, fair play to him if he achieves his target.
posted on 2/1/19
Diamond
There were some ‘supporters’ that voiced that mantra..... but realistically nobody wants to see their club relegated irrelevant of the trade off.
The title win was a ‘perfect storm’ and won’t happen again (or will it?😉)......but the majority of our supporters at the moment see this season as a ‘getting by, shocking football more than not, and a manager that has a good track record but hasn’t ‘connected’ with the fans at all (except for his handling of the helicopter tragedy).
posted on 2/1/19
TB
Completely agree, Puel has stated his target so anything less is failure.
But can we see this brand of football progressing? That’s where I am struggling at the moment, but as with all of our managers he has my support until he makes a right FUBAR!!!!!
UTF
posted on 2/1/19
From an outsiders view Puel does play some dire football... Lots of really good players at LC who don't appear to be playing to their strengths..... With the likes of Chilwell, Maguire, Maddison, Vardy, Gray, Schmeichel, Ricardo, Mendy and Evans you have a good team that defo play decent football and should challenge for Europa spot. I think Vardy was probably speaking for a lot of the others last week when he said the style of play doesn't suit him. Your players all looked bored & disinterested when Spurs won a the KP
posted on 2/1/19
Don't
I think he has connected with the fans that want to, the very noisy minority make it sound that no one wants him and that's not the case its just that they can't be Arsenaled to get involved in this one legged men arss kicking contest.
Either on here or the phone you hear people that would want us to lose if it would get rid of him, even at my NP angriest i would never want us to lose whatever manager we had.
posted on 2/1/19
five for you too
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Don'tUpsetTheAppletonCart (U13248)
posted 15 minutes ago
Diamond
There were some ‘supporters’ that voiced that mantra..... but realistically nobody wants to see their club relegated irrelevant of the trade off.
The title win was a ‘perfect storm’ and won’t happen again (or will it?😉)......but the majority of our supporters at the moment see this season as a ‘getting by, shocking football more than not, and a manager that has a good track record but hasn’t ‘connected’ with the fans at all (except for his handling of the helicopter tragedy).
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Interesting..... Tricky spot for you guys... kinda feels like you're stuck between a rock & a hard place.... at least you have the finances to do something about it... Good luck the rest of the way !
posted on 2/1/19
Great post - please contribute more.
I would always say that points are more important than performances. There is not a doubt about that.
But personally I don’t believe the two are separate. For me good performances get results. There’s an outdated argument to suggest you can play negatively and get results. You can’t.
In my opinion, our performances have been poor, and it’s my belief that if this continues the points will also dry up. This isn’t an expectation that we go out and play like Barcelona, it’s just a recognition that if we continue to play as we are I think we’ll slide.
I could be wrong, but performances = points for me.
posted on 2/1/19
Never ever seen anyone on here want to see Leicester Lose?
posted on 2/1/19
Points are always more important - I hate Puels football but love the 9 points from 12. The problem Puel has is that historically the points haven’t always accompanied the awful football. Another run like the 5 wins in 21 games last season and he won’t survive.
My feeling is that we will throw away more points against sides we need to beat and will stumble to 9th place, which would be no better than last year. That wouldn’t save him with the amount of disharmony we hear about in the dressing room
posted on 2/1/19
Nev - of course he hasn’t connected with the fans. You’ve bemoaned yourself on any number of occasions that the fans don’t chant for him.
I’ve always seen pros and cons to Puel myself, but it’s very much head over heart. Regardless, it’s much easier to want him to stay when he’s just racked up 9 points out of 12.
As for whether performances or results are more important, I don’t think it’s a simple either/or question, and everyone will have different levels of acceptability on a sliding scale for both. Personally however, I think people tend to espouse “I’d rather lose playing good football” until it actually starts happening.
posted on 2/1/19
Does there have to be an either or?
Puel has us playing excellent football and racking in the points when he came then inexplicably changed it to the fire dirge we get now!
I bet Nev thinks we’re getting the points through his possession brand of Football but we aren’t, swift attacking has got us the majority of our goals and points this Season when we haven’t been able to play Puel’s way.
The perfect solution is for him to change tack but he won’t will he?
posted on 2/1/19
Put it another way, if I saw enough evidence over the last 12 months that we can carry on playing like we did yesterday and finish 7th I wouldn’t be moaning at all I’d be over the moon with that.
I just think sooner or later, poor performances start giving you a poor points return and vice versa. We saw it last season with the 5 wins in 21 games, we have seen it this season for spells
If we finish 7th or even 8th I won’t care
posted on 2/1/19
I always say that winning matches and gathering points gives you the platform to have a conversation about the other things. If you’re not picking up enough points you’re doomed whichever way you approach games. Fans won’t follow losing football.
I do agree, however, that the two things aren’t mutually exclusive. We weren’t the prettiest side when we won the league from a purists point of view, but it was incredibly exciting.
The only place I think I differ from others is in expectation. European football is a lofty ambition. You have to finish top 5 or win a cup to qualify and the big six usually have a lock out on those criteria. Fortunately this means that the big six win both cups and open up qualification down to 7th place. That essentially means we’ve got to win our league - within a league - and see off teams like Everton, West Ham and Wolves who have similar aspirations and deep pocketed owners. Yes, of course we can achieve it, but we’re essentially all shooting for one spot as we’re still miles behind the top six.
I’m happy with where we are under Puel and 7th-9th represents a fairly successful season in my view. My fear with the manager is currently nothing to do with points, but future direction. If we ever did get into trouble I’m not sure he could lift us out of it playing as we do. Maybe I’m worrying over nothing, but I still do worry with each game I see under Puel.
posted on 2/1/19
Dung i have changed my opinion a bit on the chanting since i have been make the whole focus on the chants have been Vichai and it being his team.
I think the booing of the substitution of Vardy was anti puel not about Ian.
But talking to people i meet apart from one very big row leaving the ground last week most are giving him the benifit of the double and not think the next game he loses i want him out as some on hear do.
People who i respect and are season ticket holders where not booing or call the manager out maybe its those who sing where were you when we were poo.
Seventh is where Everton Wolves etc aspire to be and we are there but moaning about
posted on 2/1/19
Think people have missed the key point. There’s only so long you can perform poorly and keep winning.
I don’t think we’re playing full defensive football, I think we’re performing poorly. In my view, the points will soon dry up if we don’t improve our performances.
We’re all happy with 9 from 12 including a fantastic performance against Man City. Case in point.
posted on 2/1/19
Was yesterday a poor performance? You where there both teams could not pass to each other for the first half and then the second half we where the better team and won deservedly.
Hows that a poor performance set up the block it worked brought Albrighton on rested key players Choudry gets another run out Evans to then back to Leicester with the points happy days.
Cardiff was a difficult match and we performed really poorly against man city NOT a great win straight in there with famous wins for LCFC you would of been carrying Nigel around on your shoulders if he had one that.
We are never going to agree but the difference is i will tell you when i think its time for Puel to go until then i have faith in what he is trying to achieve.
posted on 2/1/19
Nev are seriously asking it yesterday was a poor performance? Just because Everton were equally terrible it doesn’t mean it wasn’t a bad performance from us. That mirrored the West Ham game at home for me, dreadful first half absolutely bailed out by a red card and deflected shot. Same yesterday except the red card was Michael Keane literally giving us the ball just outside the penalty area.
I mean I’ll take it but that kind of football won’t get you 7th place by the end of the season. Wolves will get 7th I think this year
posted on 2/1/19
lets have a referendum !!
posted on 2/1/19
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 6 minutes ago
lets have a referendum !!
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posted on 2/1/19
BS you are going back to find the things that help your argument we are getting better we are better than against West Ham. No other manager would be being given pelters because he won three out of four games.
You guys sound so childish now like the guy who said on the readio i will give my season tickets back and i don't watch England now because the way we play.
All we hear is papering over the cracks what cracks.
Heaven forbid when He gets Harvey Barnes back and plays him you are going to run out of things to moan about
posted on 2/1/19
“There is only so long you can keep performing poorly and keep winning”
“I have faith in what he is trying to achieve”
You have there the two key points from the most vocal people on each side of the argument.
I have no desire to change manager as I’m happy with where we are in the table and the younger players that have broken through into the team. However I worry very much about the standard of our performances and share Mersey’s worry about it crashing down around us.
To Nev’s point I can’t see what we’re trying to achieve. I can’t see the long term plan and what pieces of the jigsaw are missing.
In other words if I could reconcile the first argument with the second then I’d be happy (short term pain for long term gain) - but I can’t! There is an air of inevitability about Puel eventually failing, If someone could help me visualise the plan then I’d happily fall into the Puel in camp.
posted on 2/1/19
Sorry Joby, I don’t think I’m the man for that job!
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sorry Joby, I don’t think I’m the man for that job!
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No, but Nev clearly is.
He has faith in what Puel is trying to achieve.
So, what is he trying to achieve and how will we know when we’ve got there?
I’d happily back Puel and worry less if I could see it.
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