So what was Puel brought into do manage change and he's doing it encourage youth he is doing it get up to the European places we are seventh.
simples...If sometime its not how we want it to be but ask any fans who went to Chelsea,Man city and apart from Mersey where they happy with the wins what would they say.
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 46 minutes ago
Was yesterday a poor performance? You where there both teams could not pass to each other for the first half and then the second half we where the better team and won deservedly.
Hows that a poor performance set up the block it worked brought Albrighton on rested key players Choudry gets another run out Evans to then back to Leicester with the points happy days.
Cardiff was a difficult match and we performed really poorly against man city NOT a great win straight in there with famous wins for LCFC you would of been carrying Nigel around on your shoulders if he had one that.
We are never going to agree but the difference is i will tell you when i think its time for Puel to go until then i have faith in what he is trying to achieve.
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Yes Nev. I thought it was truly woeful and thought we deserved to lose the game.
It was only that Everton were equally bad and didn’t have enough quality in the final 3rd we escaped with anything. As I stated yesterday, I don’t know how that performance got us 3 points.
If you think that was a good tactical display then fine. I have grave concerns if Puel is happy with yesterday’s performance.
We’re all happy with the points. Just as I was under Peter Taylor when I didn’t know how we were getting them either.
Joby I think you and Nuneaton can ask that qualeation of Nev as many times as you like but you’ll
Never get a straight answer.
I believe points comes with performances. It is just so natural that football is conceived as an attacking game, reason why great goalies and defences don't get much spotlights. But over the years I have seen good sides winning things simply because they're very good defence wise , much like Italian teams and recently Athlectico Madrid under Simeoni.
Problem is for Leicester city it would be very difficult to get it both ways, even teams like Spurs that do play lovely football under Poch are finding it almost impossible to win meaningful things.
So for me, good defensive performances can get you far, sometimes you can even punch higher above your heights, similar to the 15/16 season were Leicester adopt setting up to neutralise the opponents and mostly hit them unexpected or on the counter.
The results against Chelsea, City and Everton recently weren't a fluke, they came directly from the result of the set up were Puel's must have result against Chelsea prompted him to use 3 defensively known midfielders in Hamza, Ndidi and Mendy just to staple the Chelsea attack, and it works cos they're left with limited clear cut chances mostly from distance.
Hamza's performance and ability is so underrated by many because Leicester city have not had someone who energetically covers alot of the grass, makes good interceptions and makes good forward passes since Kante left. Leicester are not too flashy are looking more resolute in the new Puel system and can get a result against any team anywhere. So long may it continue, cos you might see another surprises at the end of the season. My view
Hi Nev
I admire your commitment to the Puel cause and I can see that you genuine in your support of him.
I have been in the Puel camp for most of the season but was seriously wavering before the Christmas period as I became increasingly puzzled by some of his tactics and bizarre substitutions but credit where it is due he has overseen a very impressive points haul over the last 4 games.
The Man City game was as good a performance as I've seen this season and I think we thoroughly deserved the win.
One question though Nev. On the whole do you think we've played attractive exciting football this season?
FFS - nobody, not even Nev can argue that we’ve played attractive football. We haven’t.
The question for me is more “have we played effective football”. For me the answer is no. We’ve just been lucky to pick up points where we could easily have not.
The answer for Nev will be yes, the table doesn’t lie, Puel is a tactical genius.
I guess that’s where we differ.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago
Great post - please contribute more.
I would always say that points are more important than performances. There is not a doubt about that.
But personally I don’t believe the two are separate. For me good performances get results. There’s an outdated argument to suggest you can play negatively and get results. You can’t.
In my opinion, our performances have been poor, and it’s my belief that if this continues the points will also dry up. This isn’t an expectation that we go out and play like Barcelona, it’s just a recognition that if we continue to play as we are I think we’ll slide.
I could be wrong, but performances = points for me.
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Thanks Mersey
I will endeavour to contribute more.
What you say about ‘expecting the points to dry up’ reminds me of our title winning season and deep down some of us were expecting our good run ‘to dry up’ but it never did.
That’s what makes our current position and ‘opposite sides of the fence of opinions’ interesting.
Will it dry up or will we (excuse the analogy - I am not saying that we are Man Utd btw) do what Man Utd did last year and end up exceeding the expectations that their performances warranted when the season ends........
It’s a tough call, but while we are 7th-10th and getting a steady run of points then Puel is safe.
ITF
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
Don't
I think he has connected with the fans that want to, the very noisy minority make it sound that no one wants him and that's not the case its just that they can't be Arsenaled to get involved in this one legged men arss kicking contest.
Either on here or the phone you hear people that would want us to lose if it would get rid of him, even at my NP angriest i would never want us to lose whatever manager we had.
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Nev
To be fair I haven’t met anybody or seen anybody on here say that they ‘want’ us to lose.
I think that you might be confusing want with ‘expecting’ when people discuss our upcoming fixtures.
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"What you say about ‘expecting the points to dry up’ reminds me of our title winning season and deep down some of us were expecting our good run ‘to dry up’ but it never did. "
while I think many of us couldn't believe the run we went on it was completely different to this Season, there was rarely a game that Season where we played poorly, in fact we overperformed in each game.
This Season it's the exact opposite although with a decent points return, ironically because we have to revert to that Season's style of play to rescue games.
Good thread BTW.
No one on here wants us to lose. End of.
Ok BS not end of there are people who would like us to lose if it meant getting the manager sacked End of.
I have seen trying to get the team to play in a more attacking manner as well as passing the ball forward quickly has taken a while.
Yesterday was effective Man city was effective and exciting. With all thats happened we need stablity and get some consitancy but you guys just want him out so i am waisting my breathe
Nev, ‘want’ or ‘like’ is just semantics!!!! Even in the dark days of going through numerous games being beaten, relegated, near to the end of our club I have not met or heard from a single supporter who actually wants or likes us to lose any game at all.
From what I have read on here over the last few months you have vociferously supported CP and his methods while others have grave misgivings about the long term project under CP.
But non of our fellow supporters have wanted or liked us to lose, just as neither did you during the NP reign.
UTF
comment by Don'tUpsetTheAppletonCart (U13248)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nev, ‘want’ or ‘like’ is just semantics!!!! Even in the dark days of going through numerous games being beaten, relegated, near to the end of our club I have not met or heard from a single supporter who actually wants or likes us to lose any game at all.
From what I have read on here over the last few months you have vociferously supported CP and his methods while others have grave misgivings about the long term project under CP.
But non of our fellow supporters have wanted or liked us to lose, just as neither did you during the NP reign.
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This.
I don’t believe that there are any posters on here who want us to lose apart from those that visit from other teams. In fact, I think most people who offer criticism would love to be proven wrong. I’d love us to keep Puel and he achieve massive success with us in a style that we all enjoy. It's definitely not personal.
In fact the only time I remember it becoming very personal and completely non-objective was when good old Nigel P was here. Ironically by some of those who are now most critical of others for not getting behind the current incumbent. But we won’t go there
Wolverona losing at home to Palace.
Somewhere in the West Midlands, a Wolves fan is preparing to boot up his laptop to write "Nuno OUT."
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 1 minute ago
Wolverona losing at home to Palace.
Somewhere in the West Midlands, a Wolves fan is preparing to boot up his laptop to write "Nuno OUT."
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Did they lose to Cardiff at home as well then?
Come on Joby. Some of the criticism of Puel has got very personal, maybe not on this forum but certainly on other platforms including Radio Leicester which has a much greater reach.
Also, perhaps those of us who were hyper-critical of Pearson have learnt the errors of our ways and are now a little more patient about long term projects? I don't remember many fans being as critical of Pearson when we were winning games as they are about Puel when we win. Most of the criticism of Pearson was when we were going through long winless runs where we were blowing promotion or bottom of the PL, or when he did something bonkers on the touch line or made disparaging comments about God knows what.
By the way, wolves are in their first season in the premier league - where most teams struggle to just stay up. Hardly a good comparison, they’re doing brilliantly so far it has to be said
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 1 minute ago
Wolverona losing at home to Palace.
Somewhere in the West Midlands, a Wolves fan is preparing to boot up his laptop to write "Nuno OUT."
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Did they lose to Cardiff at home as well then?
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They're losing to Palace, that's bad enough
Foxello - you don’t remember the likes of JG and Nev slating Pearson even when we were winning? Wow that’s a short memory
Your criticism of him was mainly in the championship but those two absolutely slated him in the PL pretty much through the entirety of the season even after the great escape.
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 40 seconds ago
By the way, wolves are in their first season in the premier league - where most teams struggle to just stay up. Hardly a good comparison, they’re doing brilliantly so far it has to be said
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They've also spent a fortune and have Nuno amended supplying them the best Portugese talent on a tap.
I'm sorry but they can't expect to finish 7th if they can't even beat Palace...
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 1 minute ago
Wolverona losing at home to Palace.
Somewhere in the West Midlands, a Wolves fan is preparing to boot up his laptop to write "Nuno OUT."
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Did they lose to Cardiff at home as well then?
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They're losing to Palace, that's bad enough
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Erm.......didn’t we lose to palace as well!!
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posted 49 seconds ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 40 seconds ago
By the way, wolves are in their first season in the premier league - where most teams struggle to just stay up. Hardly a good comparison, they’re doing brilliantly so far it has to be said
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They've also spent a fortune and have Nuno amended supplying them the best Portugese talent on a tap.
I'm sorry but they can't expect to finish 7th if they can't even beat Palace...
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They’ve spent nowhere near as much as we have this season on top of our already premier league established squad and that’s a fact! We’ve spent £103m so to be fair we should be waaaaay ahead of where they are come the end of the season which I’m sure we will be.....!
I'm content for Claude to continue with his project whilst we're harvesting enough points to keep out of trouble. This on the basis that we're on a journey and performances on the pitch will improve - I have to hope that at least! As bad as we were against Cardiff (why so negative against one of the worst teams in the league?), we were trying to get the ball forward quicker and actually managed a number of shots on target, so even in defeat there was some light at the end of the tunnel (it may be only a small pinprick at the moment but it's there).
Someone's irony meter is a bit faulty tonight I'm kidding, Wolves have done a fine job this year.
Bournemouth on the other hand...3 goals conceded at home to Watford?!!! Pathetic. Howe OUT.
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posted on 2/1/19
So what was Puel brought into do manage change and he's doing it encourage youth he is doing it get up to the European places we are seventh.
simples...If sometime its not how we want it to be but ask any fans who went to Chelsea,Man city and apart from Mersey where they happy with the wins what would they say.
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 46 minutes ago
Was yesterday a poor performance? You where there both teams could not pass to each other for the first half and then the second half we where the better team and won deservedly.
Hows that a poor performance set up the block it worked brought Albrighton on rested key players Choudry gets another run out Evans to then back to Leicester with the points happy days.
Cardiff was a difficult match and we performed really poorly against man city NOT a great win straight in there with famous wins for LCFC you would of been carrying Nigel around on your shoulders if he had one that.
We are never going to agree but the difference is i will tell you when i think its time for Puel to go until then i have faith in what he is trying to achieve.
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Yes Nev. I thought it was truly woeful and thought we deserved to lose the game.
It was only that Everton were equally bad and didn’t have enough quality in the final 3rd we escaped with anything. As I stated yesterday, I don’t know how that performance got us 3 points.
If you think that was a good tactical display then fine. I have grave concerns if Puel is happy with yesterday’s performance.
We’re all happy with the points. Just as I was under Peter Taylor when I didn’t know how we were getting them either.
posted on 2/1/19
Joby I think you and Nuneaton can ask that qualeation of Nev as many times as you like but you’ll
Never get a straight answer.
posted on 2/1/19
I believe points comes with performances. It is just so natural that football is conceived as an attacking game, reason why great goalies and defences don't get much spotlights. But over the years I have seen good sides winning things simply because they're very good defence wise , much like Italian teams and recently Athlectico Madrid under Simeoni.
Problem is for Leicester city it would be very difficult to get it both ways, even teams like Spurs that do play lovely football under Poch are finding it almost impossible to win meaningful things.
So for me, good defensive performances can get you far, sometimes you can even punch higher above your heights, similar to the 15/16 season were Leicester adopt setting up to neutralise the opponents and mostly hit them unexpected or on the counter.
The results against Chelsea, City and Everton recently weren't a fluke, they came directly from the result of the set up were Puel's must have result against Chelsea prompted him to use 3 defensively known midfielders in Hamza, Ndidi and Mendy just to staple the Chelsea attack, and it works cos they're left with limited clear cut chances mostly from distance.
Hamza's performance and ability is so underrated by many because Leicester city have not had someone who energetically covers alot of the grass, makes good interceptions and makes good forward passes since Kante left. Leicester are not too flashy are looking more resolute in the new Puel system and can get a result against any team anywhere. So long may it continue, cos you might see another surprises at the end of the season. My view
posted on 2/1/19
Hi Nev
I admire your commitment to the Puel cause and I can see that you genuine in your support of him.
I have been in the Puel camp for most of the season but was seriously wavering before the Christmas period as I became increasingly puzzled by some of his tactics and bizarre substitutions but credit where it is due he has overseen a very impressive points haul over the last 4 games.
The Man City game was as good a performance as I've seen this season and I think we thoroughly deserved the win.
One question though Nev. On the whole do you think we've played attractive exciting football this season?
posted on 2/1/19
FFS - nobody, not even Nev can argue that we’ve played attractive football. We haven’t.
The question for me is more “have we played effective football”. For me the answer is no. We’ve just been lucky to pick up points where we could easily have not.
The answer for Nev will be yes, the table doesn’t lie, Puel is a tactical genius.
I guess that’s where we differ.
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 4 hours, 44 minutes ago
Great post - please contribute more.
I would always say that points are more important than performances. There is not a doubt about that.
But personally I don’t believe the two are separate. For me good performances get results. There’s an outdated argument to suggest you can play negatively and get results. You can’t.
In my opinion, our performances have been poor, and it’s my belief that if this continues the points will also dry up. This isn’t an expectation that we go out and play like Barcelona, it’s just a recognition that if we continue to play as we are I think we’ll slide.
I could be wrong, but performances = points for me.
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Thanks Mersey
I will endeavour to contribute more.
What you say about ‘expecting the points to dry up’ reminds me of our title winning season and deep down some of us were expecting our good run ‘to dry up’ but it never did.
That’s what makes our current position and ‘opposite sides of the fence of opinions’ interesting.
Will it dry up or will we (excuse the analogy - I am not saying that we are Man Utd btw) do what Man Utd did last year and end up exceeding the expectations that their performances warranted when the season ends........
It’s a tough call, but while we are 7th-10th and getting a steady run of points then Puel is safe.
ITF
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
Don't
I think he has connected with the fans that want to, the very noisy minority make it sound that no one wants him and that's not the case its just that they can't be Arsenaled to get involved in this one legged men arss kicking contest.
Either on here or the phone you hear people that would want us to lose if it would get rid of him, even at my NP angriest i would never want us to lose whatever manager we had.
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Nev
To be fair I haven’t met anybody or seen anybody on here say that they ‘want’ us to lose.
I think that you might be confusing want with ‘expecting’ when people discuss our upcoming fixtures.
UTF
posted on 2/1/19
"What you say about ‘expecting the points to dry up’ reminds me of our title winning season and deep down some of us were expecting our good run ‘to dry up’ but it never did. "
while I think many of us couldn't believe the run we went on it was completely different to this Season, there was rarely a game that Season where we played poorly, in fact we overperformed in each game.
This Season it's the exact opposite although with a decent points return, ironically because we have to revert to that Season's style of play to rescue games.
Good thread BTW.
posted on 2/1/19
No one on here wants us to lose. End of.
posted on 2/1/19
Ok BS not end of there are people who would like us to lose if it meant getting the manager sacked End of.
I have seen trying to get the team to play in a more attacking manner as well as passing the ball forward quickly has taken a while.
Yesterday was effective Man city was effective and exciting. With all thats happened we need stablity and get some consitancy but you guys just want him out so i am waisting my breathe
posted on 2/1/19
Nev, ‘want’ or ‘like’ is just semantics!!!! Even in the dark days of going through numerous games being beaten, relegated, near to the end of our club I have not met or heard from a single supporter who actually wants or likes us to lose any game at all.
From what I have read on here over the last few months you have vociferously supported CP and his methods while others have grave misgivings about the long term project under CP.
But non of our fellow supporters have wanted or liked us to lose, just as neither did you during the NP reign.
UTF
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Don'tUpsetTheAppletonCart (U13248)
posted 2 minutes ago
Nev, ‘want’ or ‘like’ is just semantics!!!! Even in the dark days of going through numerous games being beaten, relegated, near to the end of our club I have not met or heard from a single supporter who actually wants or likes us to lose any game at all.
From what I have read on here over the last few months you have vociferously supported CP and his methods while others have grave misgivings about the long term project under CP.
But non of our fellow supporters have wanted or liked us to lose, just as neither did you during the NP reign.
UTF
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This.
posted on 2/1/19
I don’t believe that there are any posters on here who want us to lose apart from those that visit from other teams. In fact, I think most people who offer criticism would love to be proven wrong. I’d love us to keep Puel and he achieve massive success with us in a style that we all enjoy. It's definitely not personal.
In fact the only time I remember it becoming very personal and completely non-objective was when good old Nigel P was here. Ironically by some of those who are now most critical of others for not getting behind the current incumbent. But we won’t go there
posted on 2/1/19
Wolverona losing at home to Palace.
Somewhere in the West Midlands, a Wolves fan is preparing to boot up his laptop to write "Nuno OUT."
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 1 minute ago
Wolverona losing at home to Palace.
Somewhere in the West Midlands, a Wolves fan is preparing to boot up his laptop to write "Nuno OUT."
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Did they lose to Cardiff at home as well then?
posted on 2/1/19
Come on Joby. Some of the criticism of Puel has got very personal, maybe not on this forum but certainly on other platforms including Radio Leicester which has a much greater reach.
Also, perhaps those of us who were hyper-critical of Pearson have learnt the errors of our ways and are now a little more patient about long term projects? I don't remember many fans being as critical of Pearson when we were winning games as they are about Puel when we win. Most of the criticism of Pearson was when we were going through long winless runs where we were blowing promotion or bottom of the PL, or when he did something bonkers on the touch line or made disparaging comments about God knows what.
posted on 2/1/19
By the way, wolves are in their first season in the premier league - where most teams struggle to just stay up. Hardly a good comparison, they’re doing brilliantly so far it has to be said
posted on 2/1/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 1 minute ago
Wolverona losing at home to Palace.
Somewhere in the West Midlands, a Wolves fan is preparing to boot up his laptop to write "Nuno OUT."
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Did they lose to Cardiff at home as well then?
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They're losing to Palace, that's bad enough
posted on 2/1/19
Foxello - you don’t remember the likes of JG and Nev slating Pearson even when we were winning? Wow that’s a short memory
Your criticism of him was mainly in the championship but those two absolutely slated him in the PL pretty much through the entirety of the season even after the great escape.
posted on 2/1/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 40 seconds ago
By the way, wolves are in their first season in the premier league - where most teams struggle to just stay up. Hardly a good comparison, they’re doing brilliantly so far it has to be said
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They've also spent a fortune and have Nuno amended supplying them the best Portugese talent on a tap.
I'm sorry but they can't expect to finish 7th if they can't even beat Palace...
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 1 minute ago
Wolverona losing at home to Palace.
Somewhere in the West Midlands, a Wolves fan is preparing to boot up his laptop to write "Nuno OUT."
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Did they lose to Cardiff at home as well then?
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They're losing to Palace, that's bad enough
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Erm.......didn’t we lose to palace as well!!
posted on 2/1/19
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 40 seconds ago
By the way, wolves are in their first season in the premier league - where most teams struggle to just stay up. Hardly a good comparison, they’re doing brilliantly so far it has to be said
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They've also spent a fortune and have Nuno amended supplying them the best Portugese talent on a tap.
I'm sorry but they can't expect to finish 7th if they can't even beat Palace...
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They’ve spent nowhere near as much as we have this season on top of our already premier league established squad and that’s a fact! We’ve spent £103m so to be fair we should be waaaaay ahead of where they are come the end of the season which I’m sure we will be.....!
posted on 2/1/19
I'm content for Claude to continue with his project whilst we're harvesting enough points to keep out of trouble. This on the basis that we're on a journey and performances on the pitch will improve - I have to hope that at least! As bad as we were against Cardiff (why so negative against one of the worst teams in the league?), we were trying to get the ball forward quicker and actually managed a number of shots on target, so even in defeat there was some light at the end of the tunnel (it may be only a small pinprick at the moment but it's there).
posted on 2/1/19
Someone's irony meter is a bit faulty tonight I'm kidding, Wolves have done a fine job this year.
Bournemouth on the other hand...3 goals conceded at home to Watford?!!! Pathetic. Howe OUT.
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