My biggest frustration Nev, and my biggest confusion is that Puel has demonstrated on multiple occasions what happens when you don’t play his ponderous failing brand of football.
When he first came he blended more possession with fast dorect football to great effect. Teams didn’t know which Leicester they were going to get.
Why not just go back to that? Why?
All teams need to do now is sit deep and compact and we have zero answers. Zero. We’re so predictable anyone can defend against us. So why not just accept that it needs to be adjusted. Why?
My biggest frustration still remains that Puel has all the ingredients to make this successful. His own stubbornness and refusal to use them may just be his downfall.
And don’t blame the players Nev. It’s not one of two, it’s all of them. Literally all of them have given up, lost all confidence or just plain can’t cope with Puel’s football.
Couple or three weeks we won't be in the top ten
But doe Puel tell them to be slow you see him on the touchline going mad at them if they can't pass and run maybe they should not be earning the big bucks.
I think the other thing this is the premeir league and apart from Huddersfield there are no walkovers.
If the same players can motivate themselves to beat Man city and Chelsea they must take the blame for the same players not being able to beat Southampton.
Errors like Mendy and kasper yesterday are not down to the manager or is the lack of clinical finishing.
No team can just play on the counter attack how does that work against teams like southampton and Cardiff with eight players behind the ball and the keeper?
If you want to know why players are losing confidence at home look at yesterday Ghezzal booed on to the pitch yesterday. Iheanacho booed on to the pitch in the last game. Disgusting, unforgivable, shameful and does the players confidence no good maybe some fans should look at their own behavior rather than blame the manager for the toxic atmosphere at the king Power
He completely lost what little support he had yesterday Nev with his choice of 3 defensive midfielders at home to a bottom 3 side.
How on earth is that evolving the way we play?
I don’t know what’s sadder to be honest, Nev having to re hash old posts in a very half hearted defence of Puel or Puel’s own apparent realisation of how he’s faring?
Poor job all round, it’s 2 out of 10 from me.
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 7 minutes ago
But doe Puel tell them to be slow you see him on the touchline going mad at them if they can't pass and run maybe they should not be earning the big bucks.
I think the other thing this is the premeir league and apart from Huddersfield there are no walkovers.
If the same players can motivate themselves to beat Man city and Chelsea they must take the blame for the same players not being able to beat Southampton.
Errors like Mendy and kasper yesterday are not down to the manager or is the lack of clinical finishing.
No team can just play on the counter attack how does that work against teams like southampton and Cardiff with eight players behind the ball and the keeper?
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But that’s my issue Nev. yes try get us to play how you want. Yes replace personnel to make it work. Yes remove dissenters against the style. Yes persevere.
But then, when one of you player of the season from the year before looks like he belongs in the conference. When your 20 goal a season striker doesn’t touch the bell. When your young players are now going backwards rather than forwards.
Change. For the love of god just accept it’s not right and change!
TB i know you just like wuming me but i am trying to look at whats going on do any of you think its exceptable to boo Ghezzal onto the pitch a player who scored in the last game did you ever hear that happen before to someone who scored in the previous match?
We are an entitled bunch who expect us to be challenging for a top seven place with a squad that is in transition and if we don't get what we want we boo players and require the managers head because we never wanted him in the first place.
Mersey changing for the sake of changing will not change the issues for our club we need to move on from our 2016 team you sight Vardy he hasn't had the level of service because we lost Marhez,but he also has not taken his chances like he used to
I understand that Nev but I think that objective has been achieved. Keep the Faiths’s article was an excellent summary of the squad strength and evolution.
We do have a better squad than the title winning team now in my opinion and we have strengthened in key areas.
So we have players to play different styles. Please can we just pick one that works rather than breaks the spirit of all players on the pitch.
As for th booong of Ghezzal, I understand the frustration but that’s plain unhelpful and unacceptable in my eyes.
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 10 minutes ago
TB i know you just like wuming me but i am trying to look at whats going on do any of you think its exceptable to boo Ghezzal onto the pitch a player who scored in the last game did you ever hear that happen before to someone who scored in the previous match?
We are an entitled bunch who expect us to be challenging for a top seven place with a squad that is in transition and if we don't get what we want we boo players and require the managers head because we never wanted him in the first place.
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I don't think it's ever acceptable to boo a player unless it's someone like Dennis Wise, still, have you thought it wasn't Ghezzal himself they were booing but another rather bizarre substitution, taking off our probable MOM for someone who's shown very little so far.
PS - I'm a Ghezzal fan, with the right Management and tactics I do think he could become as good a Mahrez was or better, it would be a shame for him if he's another player Puel ruins any chances for at Leicester.
‘PS - I'm a Ghezzal fan, with the right Management and tactics I do think he could become as good a Mahrez was or better’
Someone bookmark this beauty!
Vardy strike rate was about 1 in 6 or 7, it perhaps still is but it takes 3 or 4 games to reach now.
Its not really acceptable to boo players on the pitch, there certainly were no boo's around me.
only at the end then there were lots.
Nev
How come we win a game Puel gets the plaudits yet lose and it's the players at fault not Puel?
To set up with 3 defensive midfielders to a team in the bottom 3 and missing 4 first teamers is unforgivable,
The man is too arrogant and stubborn to see his 'Brand' of football isn't working.
But look what he's doing with younger players I hear you say - Chillwell yes granted but I'll counter that with N'didi,Gray both have gone backwards and don't get me started on Nacho.
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 20 minutes ago
‘PS - I'm a Ghezzal fan, with the right Management and tactics I do think he could become as good a Mahrez was or better’
Someone bookmark this beauty!
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I actually can see something in Ghezzal as well. I think he’s currently suffering from “Puel Diefficiency”. Ndidi and Nacho have got the worst case of it. It’s when you’re starved of any ingredients you need to succeed as a player and your confidence eventually crumbles.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 20 minutes ago
‘PS - I'm a Ghezzal fan, with the right Management and tactics I do think he could become as good a Mahrez was or better’
Someone bookmark this beauty!
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I actually can see something in Ghezzal as well. I think he’s currently suffering from “Puel Diefficiency”. Ndidi and Nacho have got the worst case of it. It’s when you’re starved of any ingredients you need to succeed as a player and your confidence eventually crumbles.
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Seeing something in Ghezzal is one thing. Making out he could be better than Mahrez with the right management is ridiculous.
Monaco wouldn’t even offer him a contract - and you can clearly see why. I’m no Puel fan but you can’t lay everything at his door - Ghezzal looks like a bang average player to me
Gheezzal boo-ed onto the pitch? That certainly didn't happen around where I was sitting so must have been very local if it did. There were, however, fairly significant boos at full time and it's fairly obvious to whom fans are venting their frustration.
I notice you've gone from defending Puel to criticising fans - for booing - that didn't happen!
There were “murmurings” around me Joby but I would call them boos. More angry chuntering!
Don't recall any boos when Ghezzall came on in SK2 - end of the match definitely
Joby it did happen and the same to Ian its not right for the player even ifs a criticism of the sub boo the whole team and manager if you think thats acceptable i would not but i would not applaude and leave.
The Manager is ultimately responsible for everything but this is football and there is a collective responcibilty on the pitch is Morgan captaining the team on the pitch could be an issue should vardy or kasper be the captain?
Nev, as someone who has been largely supportive of Puel and who has been on the Puel In side of the fence all season, he lost me yesterday. A manager can't account for brain farts from his players but he can for how we set up and start a game. 3 centre midfielders against a relegation fodder side was suicide and we only started playing better when we reverted back to Puel's default formation. We started the match trying to stop them rather than attack them. We should have started with 4-2-3-1. Screw the boo boys, start with your best formation.
I have a lot of sympathy with what you write. I think Puel has done a lot of good things, things that we will hopefully be grateful for in the future. It's not his fault that the club blew tens of millions on rubbish and ruined any chance of a title legacy, nor that we gave long term contracts out of sympathy and respect to players who's best years were never going to last. And you're right about the fans, we are a deluded bunch that have delusions of grandeur about what we are and what we should be.
I'm also not someone who thinks that sacking Puel will suddenly see us reverting to the title winning season where we played free flowing, counter attacking football - 3 of the players who made that style of play work so brilliantly aren't here anymore. I think that some people look at our team and squad and see unicorns being treated badly by their owners - I see ponies who aren't capable of following orders.
But for me, if you can't get basic tactics right, if you can't get the formation right, if you start a match trying to contain a poor opponent rather than attack them, if you can't get the best out of your best players, you really can't be too surprised if your future is under threat.
Very Good Foxy i could not understand the three DM's but when you look at the Bench who had he got.
People will say Barnes and i am sure that will happen but he came on second half.
As i said after the Mendy thing happened the plan backfired i think as i said the plan was to stop redman and co with theDM's and get the wingbacks to bomb on and allow Maddison and Albrighton to get into the game more. As i said Chilwell was lucky not to get sent off and Richardo had a mare what does a manager do about Kapsers poor distripution Mendy's mishaps Vardy's poor performance and then you have the other team who might just need to win as much as we want to.
Don't disagree Nev but having three DMs meant we lost an attacking player. Gray has been poor but I would have rather seen him as it would have at least given us an attacking outlet.
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posted on 13/1/19
My biggest frustration Nev, and my biggest confusion is that Puel has demonstrated on multiple occasions what happens when you don’t play his ponderous failing brand of football.
When he first came he blended more possession with fast dorect football to great effect. Teams didn’t know which Leicester they were going to get.
Why not just go back to that? Why?
All teams need to do now is sit deep and compact and we have zero answers. Zero. We’re so predictable anyone can defend against us. So why not just accept that it needs to be adjusted. Why?
My biggest frustration still remains that Puel has all the ingredients to make this successful. His own stubbornness and refusal to use them may just be his downfall.
And don’t blame the players Nev. It’s not one of two, it’s all of them. Literally all of them have given up, lost all confidence or just plain can’t cope with Puel’s football.
posted on 13/1/19
Couple or three weeks we won't be in the top ten
posted on 13/1/19
But doe Puel tell them to be slow you see him on the touchline going mad at them if they can't pass and run maybe they should not be earning the big bucks.
I think the other thing this is the premeir league and apart from Huddersfield there are no walkovers.
If the same players can motivate themselves to beat Man city and Chelsea they must take the blame for the same players not being able to beat Southampton.
Errors like Mendy and kasper yesterday are not down to the manager or is the lack of clinical finishing.
No team can just play on the counter attack how does that work against teams like southampton and Cardiff with eight players behind the ball and the keeper?
posted on 13/1/19
If you want to know why players are losing confidence at home look at yesterday Ghezzal booed on to the pitch yesterday. Iheanacho booed on to the pitch in the last game. Disgusting, unforgivable, shameful and does the players confidence no good maybe some fans should look at their own behavior rather than blame the manager for the toxic atmosphere at the king Power
posted on 13/1/19
He completely lost what little support he had yesterday Nev with his choice of 3 defensive midfielders at home to a bottom 3 side.
How on earth is that evolving the way we play?
posted on 13/1/19
I don’t know what’s sadder to be honest, Nev having to re hash old posts in a very half hearted defence of Puel or Puel’s own apparent realisation of how he’s faring?
Poor job all round, it’s 2 out of 10 from me.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 7 minutes ago
But doe Puel tell them to be slow you see him on the touchline going mad at them if they can't pass and run maybe they should not be earning the big bucks.
I think the other thing this is the premeir league and apart from Huddersfield there are no walkovers.
If the same players can motivate themselves to beat Man city and Chelsea they must take the blame for the same players not being able to beat Southampton.
Errors like Mendy and kasper yesterday are not down to the manager or is the lack of clinical finishing.
No team can just play on the counter attack how does that work against teams like southampton and Cardiff with eight players behind the ball and the keeper?
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But that’s my issue Nev. yes try get us to play how you want. Yes replace personnel to make it work. Yes remove dissenters against the style. Yes persevere.
But then, when one of you player of the season from the year before looks like he belongs in the conference. When your 20 goal a season striker doesn’t touch the bell. When your young players are now going backwards rather than forwards.
Change. For the love of god just accept it’s not right and change!
posted on 13/1/19
TB i know you just like wuming me but i am trying to look at whats going on do any of you think its exceptable to boo Ghezzal onto the pitch a player who scored in the last game did you ever hear that happen before to someone who scored in the previous match?
We are an entitled bunch who expect us to be challenging for a top seven place with a squad that is in transition and if we don't get what we want we boo players and require the managers head because we never wanted him in the first place.
posted on 13/1/19
Mersey changing for the sake of changing will not change the issues for our club we need to move on from our 2016 team you sight Vardy he hasn't had the level of service because we lost Marhez,but he also has not taken his chances like he used to
posted on 13/1/19
I understand that Nev but I think that objective has been achieved. Keep the Faiths’s article was an excellent summary of the squad strength and evolution.
We do have a better squad than the title winning team now in my opinion and we have strengthened in key areas.
So we have players to play different styles. Please can we just pick one that works rather than breaks the spirit of all players on the pitch.
As for th booong of Ghezzal, I understand the frustration but that’s plain unhelpful and unacceptable in my eyes.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Nevsaysagoal2city (U5194)
posted 10 minutes ago
TB i know you just like wuming me but i am trying to look at whats going on do any of you think its exceptable to boo Ghezzal onto the pitch a player who scored in the last game did you ever hear that happen before to someone who scored in the previous match?
We are an entitled bunch who expect us to be challenging for a top seven place with a squad that is in transition and if we don't get what we want we boo players and require the managers head because we never wanted him in the first place.
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I don't think it's ever acceptable to boo a player unless it's someone like Dennis Wise, still, have you thought it wasn't Ghezzal himself they were booing but another rather bizarre substitution, taking off our probable MOM for someone who's shown very little so far.
PS - I'm a Ghezzal fan, with the right Management and tactics I do think he could become as good a Mahrez was or better, it would be a shame for him if he's another player Puel ruins any chances for at Leicester.
posted on 13/1/19
‘PS - I'm a Ghezzal fan, with the right Management and tactics I do think he could become as good a Mahrez was or better’
Someone bookmark this beauty!
posted on 13/1/19
Vardy strike rate was about 1 in 6 or 7, it perhaps still is but it takes 3 or 4 games to reach now.
Its not really acceptable to boo players on the pitch, there certainly were no boo's around me.
posted on 13/1/19
only at the end then there were lots.
posted on 13/1/19
Nev
How come we win a game Puel gets the plaudits yet lose and it's the players at fault not Puel?
To set up with 3 defensive midfielders to a team in the bottom 3 and missing 4 first teamers is unforgivable,
The man is too arrogant and stubborn to see his 'Brand' of football isn't working.
But look what he's doing with younger players I hear you say - Chillwell yes granted but I'll counter that with N'didi,Gray both have gone backwards and don't get me started on Nacho.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 20 minutes ago
‘PS - I'm a Ghezzal fan, with the right Management and tactics I do think he could become as good a Mahrez was or better’
Someone bookmark this beauty!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I actually can see something in Ghezzal as well. I think he’s currently suffering from “Puel Diefficiency”. Ndidi and Nacho have got the worst case of it. It’s when you’re starved of any ingredients you need to succeed as a player and your confidence eventually crumbles.
posted on 13/1/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 20 minutes ago
‘PS - I'm a Ghezzal fan, with the right Management and tactics I do think he could become as good a Mahrez was or better’
Someone bookmark this beauty!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I actually can see something in Ghezzal as well. I think he’s currently suffering from “Puel Diefficiency”. Ndidi and Nacho have got the worst case of it. It’s when you’re starved of any ingredients you need to succeed as a player and your confidence eventually crumbles.
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Seeing something in Ghezzal is one thing. Making out he could be better than Mahrez with the right management is ridiculous.
Monaco wouldn’t even offer him a contract - and you can clearly see why. I’m no Puel fan but you can’t lay everything at his door - Ghezzal looks like a bang average player to me
posted on 13/1/19
Gheezzal boo-ed onto the pitch? That certainly didn't happen around where I was sitting so must have been very local if it did. There were, however, fairly significant boos at full time and it's fairly obvious to whom fans are venting their frustration.
I notice you've gone from defending Puel to criticising fans - for booing - that didn't happen!
posted on 13/1/19
There were “murmurings” around me Joby but I would call them boos. More angry chuntering!
posted on 13/1/19
Don't recall any boos when Ghezzall came on in SK2 - end of the match definitely
posted on 13/1/19
Joby it did happen and the same to Ian its not right for the player even ifs a criticism of the sub boo the whole team and manager if you think thats acceptable i would not but i would not applaude and leave.
The Manager is ultimately responsible for everything but this is football and there is a collective responcibilty on the pitch is Morgan captaining the team on the pitch could be an issue should vardy or kasper be the captain?
posted on 13/1/19
Nev, as someone who has been largely supportive of Puel and who has been on the Puel In side of the fence all season, he lost me yesterday. A manager can't account for brain farts from his players but he can for how we set up and start a game. 3 centre midfielders against a relegation fodder side was suicide and we only started playing better when we reverted back to Puel's default formation. We started the match trying to stop them rather than attack them. We should have started with 4-2-3-1. Screw the boo boys, start with your best formation.
I have a lot of sympathy with what you write. I think Puel has done a lot of good things, things that we will hopefully be grateful for in the future. It's not his fault that the club blew tens of millions on rubbish and ruined any chance of a title legacy, nor that we gave long term contracts out of sympathy and respect to players who's best years were never going to last. And you're right about the fans, we are a deluded bunch that have delusions of grandeur about what we are and what we should be.
I'm also not someone who thinks that sacking Puel will suddenly see us reverting to the title winning season where we played free flowing, counter attacking football - 3 of the players who made that style of play work so brilliantly aren't here anymore. I think that some people look at our team and squad and see unicorns being treated badly by their owners - I see ponies who aren't capable of following orders.
But for me, if you can't get basic tactics right, if you can't get the formation right, if you start a match trying to contain a poor opponent rather than attack them, if you can't get the best out of your best players, you really can't be too surprised if your future is under threat.
posted on 13/1/19
Get Allardyce in now.
posted on 13/1/19
Very Good Foxy i could not understand the three DM's but when you look at the Bench who had he got.
People will say Barnes and i am sure that will happen but he came on second half.
As i said after the Mendy thing happened the plan backfired i think as i said the plan was to stop redman and co with theDM's and get the wingbacks to bomb on and allow Maddison and Albrighton to get into the game more. As i said Chilwell was lucky not to get sent off and Richardo had a mare what does a manager do about Kapsers poor distripution Mendy's mishaps Vardy's poor performance and then you have the other team who might just need to win as much as we want to.
posted on 13/1/19
Don't disagree Nev but having three DMs meant we lost an attacking player. Gray has been poor but I would have rather seen him as it would have at least given us an attacking outlet.
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