Regardless what happens with Brexit these far right folk will complain and garner support. Give us the hardest Brexit possible and they'll still say they were undermined and they're the only ones speaking for the people. Its been the perfect cocktail for these guys to prosper, if only we had some sort of Prime Minister who had stood up to it from the start
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comment by lexballielegend (U8325)
posted 3 minutes ago
It is very telling that in the ROI they are now putting in place (no preparing) actually putting in place structure going forward after a 'No Deal' Brexit.
One of their biggest concerns being the peace that currently exists on that Island, quite astonishing that MPs at WM will put their own career ahead of 'Peace on their Isles'
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They will do that every single time too.
If people vote for something in an open referendum the responsibility of government is to deliver that vote regardless. Of course they should consider the ramifications and do the best they can to get the best outcome.
Their job is not to disrupt and certainly not to derail the vote so that it just doesn’t happen or is so weak it becomes irrelevant.
They’ve failed abysmally so far and are now about to remove our two only threats, those being removing the threat of walking away and that of paying this ridiculous bill by offering it all up front in the hope the other side will be nice.
Truly the worst government shambles ever in history of the UK. Apologetic surrender monkeys the lot of them. I don’t even blame the EU ffs it’s that bad.
No preparation for two and a half years now and now that we make signs of it the pathetic self interested apologetics whine about wasting money. It should have been done years ago and we might actually be in a better place as regards to risk, have money we could otherwise invest elsewhere and have a EU that actually wants to negotiate properly with us.
Fwcking shambles. Get out of this unholy mess and walk away with some form of dignity, little as that is.
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Not just surrender monkeys though.
There's way too much conniving, back stabbing, utter bullschit, smoke screens, manipulation going on to have ever made a coherent case for Brexit.
Zero collective vision.
Even worse planning.
Tories have been a shambles.
Labour have been a disgrace
Who the f@ck are the LibDems?
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comment by Zachsda(John Beaton, Paul Heaton, muff eatin (U1850)
posted 2 minutes ago
Truly the worst government shambles ever in history of the UK. Apologetic surrender monkeys the lot of them. I don’t even blame the EU ffs it’s that bad.
I think the EU have played a blinder, aided by the fact May tried to negotiate herself and she is fookin useless unless it's a script
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The worst thing is they didn’t have to even negotiate. We gave up the minute we said we would never walk away. What kind of negotiation is that ffs?
We also promised all the money up front which is just truly astounding in its crass stupidity.
She was utterly useless, ill prepared and ready to over rule two of our senior negotiators. Not forgetting the fact she was hamstrung by those who refused to accept the vote and deliver their responsibilities by uniting and driving as hard a bargain as possible.
Now the EU are at it playing silly buggers. “Tell us what you want, not what you don’t want”. They know very well.
And let’s not be deluded they’re all prepared for a WTO deal. They’re politicians too. They do not necessarily represent the people. Not one of the businesses we deal with in Europe are prepared for this. They are all terrified of not working with us. I’m sure that’s not the case for all of them but let’s see how their people react when faced with an average £1.44bn of extra away funding for the disastrous EU project to close the gap we’d create and ensure their pensions and ability to carry on.
But what will we do? We’ll continue to procrastinate and delay and hope it just goes away or worse still we will surrender more.
And then maybe there will be some form of sending vote dressed up to pretend it’s not another referendum.
British politicians will have collectively failed the people and the trust relationship will disappear forever. Then watch the rise of that far right and extremists.
Never underestimate the people. That’s been our failure from day 1 and it’s about to be repeated in the most awful fashion ever.
comment by lexballielegend (U8325)
posted 1 minute ago
We are just a skid mark on the Global scale these days. No power, no authority, a Nation of yesteryear.
Bit like Churchill after WWII when he was basically a looker-on whilst Stalin and FDR held all power and authority.
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We’re trying our best to portray that bit actually we’re not
We are the 5th largest economy in the world and have been recognised the world over as the best place to invest. What could we be if we actually governed ourselves?
"They are all terrified of not working with us."
Just as we'll be terrified of not working with them.
I'm all in favour of scrapping the idea all together because every single bit of it has been an ill conceived farce which is only getting worse.
Knock it on the head while there's still time.
comment by Zachsda(John Beaton, Paul Heaton, muff eatin (U1850)
posted 14 minutes ago
Truly the worst government shambles ever in history of the UK. Apologetic surrender monkeys the lot of them. I don’t even blame the EU ffs it’s that bad.
I think the EU have played a blinder, aided by the fact May tried to negotiate herself and she is fookin useless unless it's a script
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Dexeu team headed by Oliver Robbins (civil servants and outsourced KPMG staff) conducted the vast bulk of negotiations.
Yes, let’s just agree to ignore the national vote.
Great idea for politicians that. How could anyone ever trust them again?
Walk away now. Refuse to engage with the EU.
They’ll either come to the table or not and let’s see the whites of their eyes when they go back to their people and tell them to stump up or face cuts.
comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by *Zico* (U21900)
posted 33 seconds ago
Scottish Independence is the only answer if you're Scottish.
We as a nation could be sitting back pashing ourselves laughing at this Brexit farce if we handn't sh@t it back in 2014.
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Not really.
We'd be looking at the same border issues as the Irish
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Plus, living under control of a party, who's followers will tell us we've shat it any time we disagree would be pretty tiresome.
comment by lauders - It's Coming Home *sometime in t... (U9757)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by *Zico* (U21900)
posted 33 seconds ago
Scottish Independence is the only answer if you're Scottish.
We as a nation could be sitting back pashing ourselves laughing at this Brexit farce if we handn't sh@t it back in 2014.
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Not really.
We'd be looking at the same border issues as the Irish
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Plus, living under control of a party, who's followers will tell us we've shat it any time we disagree would be pretty tiresome.
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Yet that’s what we do.
Every time.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Yes, let’s just agree to ignore the national vote.
Great idea for politicians that. How could anyone ever trust them again?
Walk away now. Refuse to engage with the EU.
They’ll either come to the table or not and let’s see the whites of their eyes when they go back to their people and tell them to stump up or face cuts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the moment and all the way through they've not had a clue how to deal with the national vote.
The trust between the voters and the government and the opposition must be at an all time low anyway, and no wonder.
What a f@cking shambles.
what a monumental political f... up the past 5 years have been
The only reason May has survived two no confidence votes is that the entire nation has even less faith in Labour.
How f@cking sad is that?
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The whole idea of Brexit has been badly conceived (extreme understatement) and even more badly executed.
The UK is very obviously not capable of coming up with a viable Brexit so we really should stop it before it's too late.
Instead we're just saying "oh well we're this far along with this whole debacle, might as well bumble our way through it and see where it takes us, even though we've got no clue about its consequences".
Really? We should trust the government to do this?
comment by lexballielegend (U8325)
posted 1 minute ago
That's a jest btw, just incase MI5 monitor ja606
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^ Not joking. Dangerous man at large.
The only reason May has survived two no confidence votes is that the entire nation has even less faith in Labour.
=====
its quite pathetic
its would be like if starving africans couldnt catch an ice cream van with flat tyres.
Politicians saying one thing and doing another
Most of them are actors who are professional liars.
And they try to manipulate others by using the term ‘trust’
Only those who are gullible would take anything they say seriously
comment by rats juice Beaton beatin' ra beaten (U6393)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Yes, let’s just agree to ignore the national vote.
Great idea for politicians that. How could anyone ever trust them again?
Walk away now. Refuse to engage with the EU.
They’ll either come to the table or not and let’s see the whites of their eyes when they go back to their people and tell them to stump up or face cuts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the moment and all the way through they've not had a clue how to deal with the national vote.
The trust between the voters and the government and the opposition must be at an all time low anyway, and no wonder.
What a f@cking shambles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem was, and will always be the type of Brexit sold is completely impossible to deliver. UKG’s objective was to leave the two institutions which make frictionless trade possible (SM and CU) but at the same time maintain frictionless trade.
Either there is an realisation that delivering frictionless trade means trade-offs/concessions, (FoM of labour for example) or an acceptance that leaving the CU and SM will be economically damaging because there will no longer be frictionless trade.
However it’s impossible to deliver the latter without border control mechanisms on the island of Ireland - the external wall of the UK's internal market and the external wall of the EU's SM.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rats juice Beaton beatin' ra beaten (U6393)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Yes, let’s just agree to ignore the national vote.
Great idea for politicians that. How could anyone ever trust them again?
Walk away now. Refuse to engage with the EU.
They’ll either come to the table or not and let’s see the whites of their eyes when they go back to their people and tell them to stump up or face cuts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the moment and all the way through they've not had a clue how to deal with the national vote.
The trust between the voters and the government and the opposition must be at an all time low anyway, and no wonder.
What a f@cking shambles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem was, and will always be the type of Brexit sold is completely impossible to deliver. UKG’s objective was to leave the two institutions which make frictionless trade possible (SM and CU) but at the same time maintain frictionless trade.
Either there is an realisation that delivering frictionless trade means trade-offs/concessions, (FoM of labour for example) or an acceptance that leaving the CU and SM will be economically damaging because there will no longer be frictionless trade.
However it’s impossible to deliver the latter without border control mechanisms on the island of Ireland - the external wall of the UK's internal market and the external wall of the EU's SM.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is why it looks like it will be impossible to deliver. It's always looked like the UK have been trying to cherry pick all the nice bits of being in Europe but leaving out the bad bits.
The reality is that it doesn't work that way.
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posted on 17/1/19
Regardless what happens with Brexit these far right folk will complain and garner support. Give us the hardest Brexit possible and they'll still say they were undermined and they're the only ones speaking for the people. Its been the perfect cocktail for these guys to prosper, if only we had some sort of Prime Minister who had stood up to it from the start
posted on 17/1/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/1/19
comment by lexballielegend (U8325)
posted 3 minutes ago
It is very telling that in the ROI they are now putting in place (no preparing) actually putting in place structure going forward after a 'No Deal' Brexit.
One of their biggest concerns being the peace that currently exists on that Island, quite astonishing that MPs at WM will put their own career ahead of 'Peace on their Isles'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They will do that every single time too.
posted on 17/1/19
If people vote for something in an open referendum the responsibility of government is to deliver that vote regardless. Of course they should consider the ramifications and do the best they can to get the best outcome.
Their job is not to disrupt and certainly not to derail the vote so that it just doesn’t happen or is so weak it becomes irrelevant.
They’ve failed abysmally so far and are now about to remove our two only threats, those being removing the threat of walking away and that of paying this ridiculous bill by offering it all up front in the hope the other side will be nice.
Truly the worst government shambles ever in history of the UK. Apologetic surrender monkeys the lot of them. I don’t even blame the EU ffs it’s that bad.
No preparation for two and a half years now and now that we make signs of it the pathetic self interested apologetics whine about wasting money. It should have been done years ago and we might actually be in a better place as regards to risk, have money we could otherwise invest elsewhere and have a EU that actually wants to negotiate properly with us.
Fwcking shambles. Get out of this unholy mess and walk away with some form of dignity, little as that is.
posted on 17/1/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/1/19
Not just surrender monkeys though.
There's way too much conniving, back stabbing, utter bullschit, smoke screens, manipulation going on to have ever made a coherent case for Brexit.
Zero collective vision.
Even worse planning.
Tories have been a shambles.
Labour have been a disgrace
Who the f@ck are the LibDems?
posted on 17/1/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Zachsda(John Beaton, Paul Heaton, muff eatin (U1850)
posted 2 minutes ago
Truly the worst government shambles ever in history of the UK. Apologetic surrender monkeys the lot of them. I don’t even blame the EU ffs it’s that bad.
I think the EU have played a blinder, aided by the fact May tried to negotiate herself and she is fookin useless unless it's a script
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The worst thing is they didn’t have to even negotiate. We gave up the minute we said we would never walk away. What kind of negotiation is that ffs?
We also promised all the money up front which is just truly astounding in its crass stupidity.
She was utterly useless, ill prepared and ready to over rule two of our senior negotiators. Not forgetting the fact she was hamstrung by those who refused to accept the vote and deliver their responsibilities by uniting and driving as hard a bargain as possible.
Now the EU are at it playing silly buggers. “Tell us what you want, not what you don’t want”. They know very well.
And let’s not be deluded they’re all prepared for a WTO deal. They’re politicians too. They do not necessarily represent the people. Not one of the businesses we deal with in Europe are prepared for this. They are all terrified of not working with us. I’m sure that’s not the case for all of them but let’s see how their people react when faced with an average £1.44bn of extra away funding for the disastrous EU project to close the gap we’d create and ensure their pensions and ability to carry on.
But what will we do? We’ll continue to procrastinate and delay and hope it just goes away or worse still we will surrender more.
And then maybe there will be some form of sending vote dressed up to pretend it’s not another referendum.
British politicians will have collectively failed the people and the trust relationship will disappear forever. Then watch the rise of that far right and extremists.
Never underestimate the people. That’s been our failure from day 1 and it’s about to be repeated in the most awful fashion ever.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by lexballielegend (U8325)
posted 1 minute ago
We are just a skid mark on the Global scale these days. No power, no authority, a Nation of yesteryear.
Bit like Churchill after WWII when he was basically a looker-on whilst Stalin and FDR held all power and authority.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We’re trying our best to portray that bit actually we’re not
We are the 5th largest economy in the world and have been recognised the world over as the best place to invest. What could we be if we actually governed ourselves?
posted on 17/1/19
"They are all terrified of not working with us."
Just as we'll be terrified of not working with them.
I'm all in favour of scrapping the idea all together because every single bit of it has been an ill conceived farce which is only getting worse.
Knock it on the head while there's still time.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Zachsda(John Beaton, Paul Heaton, muff eatin (U1850)
posted 14 minutes ago
Truly the worst government shambles ever in history of the UK. Apologetic surrender monkeys the lot of them. I don’t even blame the EU ffs it’s that bad.
I think the EU have played a blinder, aided by the fact May tried to negotiate herself and she is fookin useless unless it's a script
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Dexeu team headed by Oliver Robbins (civil servants and outsourced KPMG staff) conducted the vast bulk of negotiations.
posted on 17/1/19
Yes, let’s just agree to ignore the national vote.
Great idea for politicians that. How could anyone ever trust them again?
Walk away now. Refuse to engage with the EU.
They’ll either come to the table or not and let’s see the whites of their eyes when they go back to their people and tell them to stump up or face cuts.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by *Zico* (U21900)
posted 33 seconds ago
Scottish Independence is the only answer if you're Scottish.
We as a nation could be sitting back pashing ourselves laughing at this Brexit farce if we handn't sh@t it back in 2014.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really.
We'd be looking at the same border issues as the Irish
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Plus, living under control of a party, who's followers will tell us we've shat it any time we disagree would be pretty tiresome.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by lauders - It's Coming Home *sometime in t... (U9757)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (U16400)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by *Zico* (U21900)
posted 33 seconds ago
Scottish Independence is the only answer if you're Scottish.
We as a nation could be sitting back pashing ourselves laughing at this Brexit farce if we handn't sh@t it back in 2014.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really.
We'd be looking at the same border issues as the Irish
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Plus, living under control of a party, who's followers will tell us we've shat it any time we disagree would be pretty tiresome.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yet that’s what we do.
Every time.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Yes, let’s just agree to ignore the national vote.
Great idea for politicians that. How could anyone ever trust them again?
Walk away now. Refuse to engage with the EU.
They’ll either come to the table or not and let’s see the whites of their eyes when they go back to their people and tell them to stump up or face cuts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the moment and all the way through they've not had a clue how to deal with the national vote.
The trust between the voters and the government and the opposition must be at an all time low anyway, and no wonder.
What a f@cking shambles.
posted on 17/1/19
what a monumental political f... up the past 5 years have been
posted on 17/1/19
The only reason May has survived two no confidence votes is that the entire nation has even less faith in Labour.
How f@cking sad is that?
posted on 17/1/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/1/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 17/1/19
The whole idea of Brexit has been badly conceived (extreme understatement) and even more badly executed.
The UK is very obviously not capable of coming up with a viable Brexit so we really should stop it before it's too late.
Instead we're just saying "oh well we're this far along with this whole debacle, might as well bumble our way through it and see where it takes us, even though we've got no clue about its consequences".
Really? We should trust the government to do this?
posted on 17/1/19
comment by lexballielegend (U8325)
posted 1 minute ago
That's a jest btw, just incase MI5 monitor ja606
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^ Not joking. Dangerous man at large.
posted on 17/1/19
The only reason May has survived two no confidence votes is that the entire nation has even less faith in Labour.
=====
its quite pathetic
its would be like if starving africans couldnt catch an ice cream van with flat tyres.
posted on 17/1/19
Politicians saying one thing and doing another
Most of them are actors who are professional liars.
And they try to manipulate others by using the term ‘trust’
Only those who are gullible would take anything they say seriously
posted on 17/1/19
comment by rats juice Beaton beatin' ra beaten (U6393)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Yes, let’s just agree to ignore the national vote.
Great idea for politicians that. How could anyone ever trust them again?
Walk away now. Refuse to engage with the EU.
They’ll either come to the table or not and let’s see the whites of their eyes when they go back to their people and tell them to stump up or face cuts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the moment and all the way through they've not had a clue how to deal with the national vote.
The trust between the voters and the government and the opposition must be at an all time low anyway, and no wonder.
What a f@cking shambles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem was, and will always be the type of Brexit sold is completely impossible to deliver. UKG’s objective was to leave the two institutions which make frictionless trade possible (SM and CU) but at the same time maintain frictionless trade.
Either there is an realisation that delivering frictionless trade means trade-offs/concessions, (FoM of labour for example) or an acceptance that leaving the CU and SM will be economically damaging because there will no longer be frictionless trade.
However it’s impossible to deliver the latter without border control mechanisms on the island of Ireland - the external wall of the UK's internal market and the external wall of the EU's SM.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by rats juice Beaton beatin' ra beaten (U6393)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 17 minutes ago
Yes, let’s just agree to ignore the national vote.
Great idea for politicians that. How could anyone ever trust them again?
Walk away now. Refuse to engage with the EU.
They’ll either come to the table or not and let’s see the whites of their eyes when they go back to their people and tell them to stump up or face cuts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
At the moment and all the way through they've not had a clue how to deal with the national vote.
The trust between the voters and the government and the opposition must be at an all time low anyway, and no wonder.
What a f@cking shambles.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Problem was, and will always be the type of Brexit sold is completely impossible to deliver. UKG’s objective was to leave the two institutions which make frictionless trade possible (SM and CU) but at the same time maintain frictionless trade.
Either there is an realisation that delivering frictionless trade means trade-offs/concessions, (FoM of labour for example) or an acceptance that leaving the CU and SM will be economically damaging because there will no longer be frictionless trade.
However it’s impossible to deliver the latter without border control mechanisms on the island of Ireland - the external wall of the UK's internal market and the external wall of the EU's SM.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is why it looks like it will be impossible to deliver. It's always looked like the UK have been trying to cherry pick all the nice bits of being in Europe but leaving out the bad bits.
The reality is that it doesn't work that way.
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