"A good and successful leader in any walk of life will always have people around him where he can take advice"
This is spot on and something I have already followed in business.
You cannot know everything, in any walk of life.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
"A good and successful leader in any walk of life will always have people around him where he can take advice"
This is spot on and something I have already followed in business.
You cannot know everything, in any walk of life.
.................
Well fu @k me sideways, Winston has agreed with one of my comments.
I must be wrong.
*always followed
That should say.
Good thread this, and all the important points made.
I would only add that six games is not long enough to make a decision. And if Ole is to be the man, which I hope he is, then begin with a twelve month contract.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
"A good and successful leader in any walk of life will always have people around him where he can take advice"
This is spot on and something I have already followed in business.
You cannot know everything, in any walk of life.
.................
Well fu @k me sideways, Winston has agreed with one of my comments.
I must be wrong.
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Thought he had filtered you?
Thought he had filtered you?
...........
He has. Mour Money copied and pasted my comment when answering it.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 minutes ago
Good thread this, and all the important points made.
I would only add that six games is not long enough to make a decision. And if Ole is to be the man, which I hope he is, then begin with a twelve month contract.
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I understand your point but I'm not sure about that.
If we want a manager with a long term vision then we have to back him. But understand the concern over leaving ourselves committed.
I'd probably go with three years and have in the back of my mind that barring any massive disaster, he should have 18 months to show what he can do.
Hard to say how Ole will turn out but for now let’s just enjoy the ride. Really hope he is the perfect fit.
On the point of delegating to backroom staff. How big an influence do you think the return of Mike Phelan has been? Having his experience and knowledge of the club and playing staff seems like a boost and letting him go one of Moyes biggest mistakes, one which Poch could make too if he wants his own assistant.
It can't be a coincidence that he returns and all of a sudden you look like the old Man United again.
comment by Nir Bitton - Cursed by my username (U13244)
posted 37 minutes ago
On the point of delegating to backroom staff. How big an influence do you think the return of Mike Phelan has been? Having his experience and knowledge of the club and playing staff seems like a boost and letting him go one of Moyes biggest mistakes, one which Poch could make too if he wants his own assistant.
It can't be a coincidence that he returns and all of a sudden you look like the old Man United again.
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Phelen is the major reason for the upturn, no disrespect to Ogs
Phelen is the major reason for the upturn, no disrespect to Ogs
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He is a reason, not the major one.
You can have anyone stepping in after Jose and the atmosphere would improve but beyond that it’s phelan that’s the tactical decision maker.
And not as in a manager but the work on the training ground.
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 16 minutes ago
You can have anyone stepping in after Jose and the atmosphere would improve but beyond that it’s phelan that’s the tactical decision maker.
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Forgive me but this is bullsheit.
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 27 minutes ago
And not as in a manager but the work on the training ground.
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Have you been spying at Carrington?
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 16 minutes ago
You can have anyone stepping in after Jose and the atmosphere would improve but beyond that it’s phelan that’s the tactical decision maker.
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Forgive me but this is bullsheit.
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I think the point would be that it’s not possible for anyone to know, unless you’re on the training ground yourself.
Statements about who has had the bigger effect can only be based on guesswork at this stage.
It’s also utterly irrelevant. How much does Pep rely on his back room staff? Who cares. The output is the only thing fans care about, frankly.
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 26 minutes ago
You can have anyone stepping in after Jose and the atmosphere would improve but beyond that it’s phelan that’s the tactical decision maker.
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How incredibly fortunate we are to have someone who has seen first hand the work that goes on behind the scenes and on the training pitch.
Yes it is widely known that Phelan was de facto manager in Fergie's later years, but it is ludicrous to suggest that all the credit should be for him.
OGS seems quite hands on and has been using anecdotes of past experiences to coach the players, how can this not play any part in our tactical instructions may I ask?!?!
From my perspective, the whole coaching team appear to work together in a positive manner, and I'd hazard a guess that they all contribute to most aspects of the way we play.
Note the difference in how much happier and involved Carrick and McKenna look since OGS and Phelan have stepped in. I think they have much more of an input now than what they did under Jose. Rui Faria leaving really rattled Jose in my opinion, and he didn't get the same 'support' from those guys as he did his trusted right hand man. I'd speculate that on some occasions, Carrick and Mckenna may have clashed with him regarding the playing style and treatmant of players.
The crux of my argument is that the whole coaching staff deserve credit, not just Phelan. It all seems to blend together very well. It feels like United again.
"How big an influence do you think the return of Mike Phelan has been?"
Absolutely massive.
The main reason behind your performances is ultimately your players. The manager deserves the credit for enabling them to play to their potential, but you still need very good players in the first place as well.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 19 seconds ago
The main reason behind your performances is ultimately your players. The manager deserves the credit for enabling them to play to their potential, but you still need very good players in the first place as well.
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The main reason behind the change in the quality of our performances isn't the players though, melts.
It's tactical and in the preparation for games.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
The main reason behind your performances is ultimately your players. The manager deserves the credit for enabling them to play to their potential, but you still need very good players in the first place as well.
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Melts, I know you tend to put a lot of emphasis on players rather than the manager per se, but there are plenty of teams with less resources and less talented players who play faster tempo, more attractive and attacking football then we have under Mourinho.
That fact alone suggests to me that much, much more credit needs to go to Ole and the staff than is being given. We're exciting to watch again pretty much immediately after Mourinho left, and have continued to be so.
Clearly the players arent the main reason for the improved performances as it’s the same group of players. The quality of the players combined with the new approach brought in by Ole has made the drastic change.
The positive attitude and attacking approach has clearly made a huge difference, this is the point of a manger, to use their talents to get the best out of their players.
Sorry, I typed that pretty quickly.
By that, I meant that to this point, the main benefits have been getting a manager in who will play attacking football and trusting the players to do what they do beat (which is attacking football).
By saying ultimately it’s down to the players, it’s that you still need a quality team to go six games unbeaten. You have attacking players that are capable of beating anyone.
“It's tactical and in the preparation for games.“
I think it’s more mental than tactical, but there are grey lines there. If you’re saying it’s because you’re playing attacking football, then I completely agree. If you’re saying it’s tactical ability, then I don’t.
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posted on 17/1/19
"A good and successful leader in any walk of life will always have people around him where he can take advice"
This is spot on and something I have already followed in business.
You cannot know everything, in any walk of life.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
"A good and successful leader in any walk of life will always have people around him where he can take advice"
This is spot on and something I have already followed in business.
You cannot know everything, in any walk of life.
.................
Well fu @k me sideways, Winston has agreed with one of my comments.
I must be wrong.
posted on 17/1/19
*always followed
That should say.
posted on 17/1/19
Good thread this, and all the important points made.
I would only add that six games is not long enough to make a decision. And if Ole is to be the man, which I hope he is, then begin with a twelve month contract.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 9 seconds ago
"A good and successful leader in any walk of life will always have people around him where he can take advice"
This is spot on and something I have already followed in business.
You cannot know everything, in any walk of life.
.................
Well fu @k me sideways, Winston has agreed with one of my comments.
I must be wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thought he had filtered you?
posted on 17/1/19
Thought he had filtered you?
...........
He has. Mour Money copied and pasted my comment when answering it.
posted on 17/1/19
Ah.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 18 minutes ago
Good thread this, and all the important points made.
I would only add that six games is not long enough to make a decision. And if Ole is to be the man, which I hope he is, then begin with a twelve month contract.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I understand your point but I'm not sure about that.
If we want a manager with a long term vision then we have to back him. But understand the concern over leaving ourselves committed.
I'd probably go with three years and have in the back of my mind that barring any massive disaster, he should have 18 months to show what he can do.
posted on 17/1/19
Hard to say how Ole will turn out but for now let’s just enjoy the ride. Really hope he is the perfect fit.
posted on 17/1/19
On the point of delegating to backroom staff. How big an influence do you think the return of Mike Phelan has been? Having his experience and knowledge of the club and playing staff seems like a boost and letting him go one of Moyes biggest mistakes, one which Poch could make too if he wants his own assistant.
It can't be a coincidence that he returns and all of a sudden you look like the old Man United again.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Nir Bitton - Cursed by my username (U13244)
posted 37 minutes ago
On the point of delegating to backroom staff. How big an influence do you think the return of Mike Phelan has been? Having his experience and knowledge of the club and playing staff seems like a boost and letting him go one of Moyes biggest mistakes, one which Poch could make too if he wants his own assistant.
It can't be a coincidence that he returns and all of a sudden you look like the old Man United again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Phelen is the major reason for the upturn, no disrespect to Ogs
posted on 17/1/19
Phelen is the major reason for the upturn, no disrespect to Ogs
................
He is a reason, not the major one.
posted on 17/1/19
You can have anyone stepping in after Jose and the atmosphere would improve but beyond that it’s phelan that’s the tactical decision maker.
posted on 17/1/19
And not as in a manager but the work on the training ground.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 16 minutes ago
You can have anyone stepping in after Jose and the atmosphere would improve but beyond that it’s phelan that’s the tactical decision maker.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Forgive me but this is bullsheit.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 27 minutes ago
And not as in a manager but the work on the training ground.
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Have you been spying at Carrington?
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 16 minutes ago
You can have anyone stepping in after Jose and the atmosphere would improve but beyond that it’s phelan that’s the tactical decision maker.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Forgive me but this is bullsheit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think the point would be that it’s not possible for anyone to know, unless you’re on the training ground yourself.
Statements about who has had the bigger effect can only be based on guesswork at this stage.
It’s also utterly irrelevant. How much does Pep rely on his back room staff? Who cares. The output is the only thing fans care about, frankly.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 26 minutes ago
You can have anyone stepping in after Jose and the atmosphere would improve but beyond that it’s phelan that’s the tactical decision maker.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How incredibly fortunate we are to have someone who has seen first hand the work that goes on behind the scenes and on the training pitch.
Yes it is widely known that Phelan was de facto manager in Fergie's later years, but it is ludicrous to suggest that all the credit should be for him.
OGS seems quite hands on and has been using anecdotes of past experiences to coach the players, how can this not play any part in our tactical instructions may I ask?!?!
From my perspective, the whole coaching team appear to work together in a positive manner, and I'd hazard a guess that they all contribute to most aspects of the way we play.
posted on 17/1/19
Note the difference in how much happier and involved Carrick and McKenna look since OGS and Phelan have stepped in. I think they have much more of an input now than what they did under Jose. Rui Faria leaving really rattled Jose in my opinion, and he didn't get the same 'support' from those guys as he did his trusted right hand man. I'd speculate that on some occasions, Carrick and Mckenna may have clashed with him regarding the playing style and treatmant of players.
The crux of my argument is that the whole coaching staff deserve credit, not just Phelan. It all seems to blend together very well. It feels like United again.
posted on 17/1/19
"How big an influence do you think the return of Mike Phelan has been?"
Absolutely massive.
posted on 17/1/19
The main reason behind your performances is ultimately your players. The manager deserves the credit for enabling them to play to their potential, but you still need very good players in the first place as well.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 19 seconds ago
The main reason behind your performances is ultimately your players. The manager deserves the credit for enabling them to play to their potential, but you still need very good players in the first place as well.
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The main reason behind the change in the quality of our performances isn't the players though, melts.
It's tactical and in the preparation for games.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 5 minutes ago
The main reason behind your performances is ultimately your players. The manager deserves the credit for enabling them to play to their potential, but you still need very good players in the first place as well.
==========
Melts, I know you tend to put a lot of emphasis on players rather than the manager per se, but there are plenty of teams with less resources and less talented players who play faster tempo, more attractive and attacking football then we have under Mourinho.
That fact alone suggests to me that much, much more credit needs to go to Ole and the staff than is being given. We're exciting to watch again pretty much immediately after Mourinho left, and have continued to be so.
posted on 17/1/19
Clearly the players arent the main reason for the improved performances as it’s the same group of players. The quality of the players combined with the new approach brought in by Ole has made the drastic change.
The positive attitude and attacking approach has clearly made a huge difference, this is the point of a manger, to use their talents to get the best out of their players.
posted on 17/1/19
Sorry, I typed that pretty quickly.
By that, I meant that to this point, the main benefits have been getting a manager in who will play attacking football and trusting the players to do what they do beat (which is attacking football).
By saying ultimately it’s down to the players, it’s that you still need a quality team to go six games unbeaten. You have attacking players that are capable of beating anyone.
“It's tactical and in the preparation for games.“
I think it’s more mental than tactical, but there are grey lines there. If you’re saying it’s because you’re playing attacking football, then I completely agree. If you’re saying it’s tactical ability, then I don’t.
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