comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 4 minutes ago
So nearly 3 years of supposed intense skilful negotiations, the best people, David Davis with his betting shop pen, and a few scraps of A4, and little Dr Fox, 40 deals in the first week, the easiest free trade deal in history I believe the leave people said.
Sunlit uplands.
The fella down the road swears by BMW's, his missus loves a glass of pinot, they will be on their knees begging us to take the bestest free trade deal ever.
Fast forward nearly 3 years, and with weeks to go till we leave, our countries strategy is now, 'let's put a gun to our heads, and they are bound to give in'.
What a total, fvcking joke.🤣
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Have you seen how Liam Fox has aged in the past two years?
He's not wearing his failure well at all.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 39bn is the UKs commitments that need to be paid.
Considering the UK paid off the DUP with £1bn that kind of money is not of great consequence to the EU members.
The UK will commit harm to its reputation should they not go through with paying that which is already committed and agreed.
This default will still be outstanding in face of other deals the UK hopes to make with the world.
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I don’t believe that is true at all.
Its been made perfectly clear that if we have no trade deal other than WTO then there is no payment.
Why on earth would the UK pay anything after essentially a two and a half year notice period?
And if anyone thinks that the likes of Spain, Greece, Italy and the like will stomach an additional £1.44bn because their politicians at a European level didn’t allow us any negotiation and were willing to let us walk away then they don’t underand the economic strain these countries and the EU are under.
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Thats incorrect.
The 39bn is for the UKs existing obligations. End of.
If the UK wants to be part of new trading arrangements that require membership of eu institutions they will of course require the UK to pay more.
If it doesn't, then no more needs to be paid bar the 39bn
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Completely disagree.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/britain-wont-pay-39bn-brexit-divorce-bill-if-there-is-no-deal-raab-insists-as-he-ramps-up-pressure-a3934541.html
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 39bn is the UKs commitments that need to be paid.
Considering the UK paid off the DUP with £1bn that kind of money is not of great consequence to the EU members.
The UK will commit harm to its reputation should they not go through with paying that which is already committed and agreed.
This default will still be outstanding in face of other deals the UK hopes to make with the world.
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I don’t believe that is true at all.
Its been made perfectly clear that if we have no trade deal other than WTO then there is no payment.
Why on earth would the UK pay anything after essentially a two and a half year notice period?
And if anyone thinks that the likes of Spain, Greece, Italy and the like will stomach an additional £1.44bn because their politicians at a European level didn’t allow us any negotiation and were willing to let us walk away then they don’t underand the economic strain these countries and the EU are under.
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Thats incorrect.
The 39bn is for the UKs existing obligations. End of.
If the UK wants to be part of new trading arrangements that require membership of eu institutions they will of course require the UK to pay more.
If it doesn't, then no more needs to be paid bar the 39bn
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Completely disagree.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/britain-wont-pay-39bn-brexit-divorce-bill-if-there-is-no-deal-raab-insists-as-he-ramps-up-pressure-a3934541.html
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You disagree because Rabb says he is not in favour of paying if there's no deal?
The commitment is there and its real, whether you and Rabb disagree with it or not mate.
Not in the slightest.
The PM stated it too.
Do you honestly see our government or any government split as they are on all sides voting to pay this bill? Really?
It’s been clear all along that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and whether the EU feel they are due this money is completely irrelevant. What are they going to do? Send us a bill and then the bailiffs?
Obviously the first thing you do, before looking to make new global trade deals, is first of all renage on promises you made to your previous business partners.
Always fills new trading partners with such confidence this tactic.
Genius idea.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 46 seconds ago
Not in the slightest.
The PM stated it too.
Do you honestly see our government or any government split as they are on all sides voting to pay this bill? Really?
It’s been clear all along that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and whether the EU feel they are due this money is completely irrelevant. What are they going to do? Send us a bill and then the bailiffs?
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No, just maybe put tariffs on all goods from the UK and those on the way to the UK via European territory.
Oh, and the world put on notice that the UK doesn't pay their obligations.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
No-Deal would be very harmful to the EU also
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would be immeasurably harmful to the UK, IMMEASURABLY
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Short term, yes.
Medium/Long term, who knows.
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wtf are you on about ...
the financial crisis of 2008 is still affecting the economy now.
that was a short sharp shock that didn't need any infrastructure change.
Hard Brexit will make that financial crisis look like a lost tenner in comparison.
Hard fact, trading with the rest of the world rather than Europe costs more and takes longer.
Our cashflow and balance of payments suffer, and factor in also that a lot of our global trade is done via Europes ports, eg Porto, Genoa and Hamburg too.
Short term catastrophic, long term is recovering from catastrophic harm, while still having to cope with the worlds geography being as it is...
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The cause of the credit crunch and global recession is entirely different .
When the banks and financial institutions which are entwined in every aspect of every economy fail and life, go to shiiiiit, globally, the consequences are far reaching across the board.
The same cannot be said of Brexit. Not saying it will be a picnic but the global recession is and was a different game.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 46 seconds ago
Not in the slightest.
The PM stated it too.
Do you honestly see our government or any government split as they are on all sides voting to pay this bill? Really?
It’s been clear all along that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and whether the EU feel they are due this money is completely irrelevant. What are they going to do? Send us a bill and then the bailiffs?
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No, just maybe put tariffs on all goods from the UK and those on the way to the UK via European territory.
Oh, and the world put on notice that the UK doesn't pay their obligations.
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Those may indeed be the implications. But we have made a number of clear statements that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 15 seconds ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Me too.
As with anything like this it’ll be government/parliament that decide.
Just cannot see it being voted through after a number of senior officials on our side stating quite clearly they wouldn’t pay.
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Its not arbitrary..
Thats like you refusing to pay the electricity bill until you and the missus decide whether or not to move to Southern power.
Its just bluster, bravado. Everyone knows its a commitment that needs to be settled.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
No-Deal would be very harmful to the EU also
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would be immeasurably harmful to the UK, IMMEASURABLY
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Short term, yes.
Medium/Long term, who knows.
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wtf are you on about ...
the financial crisis of 2008 is still affecting the economy now.
that was a short sharp shock that didn't need any infrastructure change.
Hard Brexit will make that financial crisis look like a lost tenner in comparison.
Hard fact, trading with the rest of the world rather than Europe costs more and takes longer.
Our cashflow and balance of payments suffer, and factor in also that a lot of our global trade is done via Europes ports, eg Porto, Genoa and Hamburg too.
Short term catastrophic, long term is recovering from catastrophic harm, while still having to cope with the worlds geography being as it is...
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The cause of the credit crunch and global recession is entirely different .
When the banks and financial institutions which are entwined in every aspect of every economy fail and life, go to shiiiiit, globally, the consequences are far reaching across the board.
The same cannot be said of Brexit. Not saying it will be a picnic but the global recession is and was a different game.
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Really.. so you don't see the same financial institutions as well as every single major industry that we have being entwined with the EU?
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Its not arbitrary..
Thats like you refusing to pay the electricity bill until you and the missus decide whether or not to move to Southern power.
Its just bluster, bravado. Everyone knows its a commitment that needs to be settled.
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What?
That’s a daft comparison. I signed up to an agreed contract before using the electricity.
It’s in no way comparable.
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 10 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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To clarify that, Theresa May said that despite the legal obligations she would reconsider it if EU didn't offer a deal. (unlikely as its a legal requirement)
Anyway the EU did offer a deal, which Theresa May agreed on, but she failed to get it through parliament.
So its due anyway regardless.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 10 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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To clarify that, Theresa May said that despite the legal obligations she would reconsider it if EU didn't offer a deal. (unlikely as its a legal requirement)
Anyway the EU did offer a deal, which Theresa May agreed on, but she failed to get it through parliament.
So its due anyway regardless.
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Hopefully we will get to see
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Its not arbitrary..
Thats like you refusing to pay the electricity bill until you and the missus decide whether or not to move to Southern power.
Its just bluster, bravado. Everyone knows its a commitment that needs to be settled.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
That’s a daft comparison. I signed up to an agreed contract before using the electricity.
It’s in no way comparable.
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Its spot on, the UK agreed to pay this for the provision of EU institutions, processes and benefits- ie EU conducting trade negotiations on behalf of all member states, regulating standards and conventions.
Can't just not pay, its agreed legally like your electricity contract.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Its not arbitrary..
Thats like you refusing to pay the electricity bill until you and the missus decide whether or not to move to Southern power.
Its just bluster, bravado. Everyone knows its a commitment that needs to be settled.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
That’s a daft comparison. I signed up to an agreed contract before using the electricity.
It’s in no way comparable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its spot on, the UK agreed to pay this for the provision of EU institutions, processes and benefits- ie EU conducting trade negotiations on behalf of all member states, regulating standards and conventions.
Can't just not pay, its agreed legally like your electricity contract.
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Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
The house of lords wrote a report back in 2017, to the effect that the UK would not be liable to observe EU directives, in regard to payment of any outstanding obligations, in the event of Britain leaving the EU.
Legally it holds little sway.
The EU would simply cite the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, whether we leave the EU with or without a deal, and the UK would bear those liabilities and commitments.
And due to the sums involved, the EU would probably persue this through the International Court in the Hague.
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
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You having two opinions?
I was stating facts.
The 39b was agreed so we can move on to the next bit of negotiations, if there's no deal then there's no point paying it.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
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You having two opinions?
I was stating facts.
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Aye very good
We’re the statements by others I referred to not also facts as in they were clear statements?
Christ
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
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You having two opinions?
I was stating facts.
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Aye very good
We’re the statements by others I referred to not also facts as in they were clear statements?
Christ
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Those statements made by others, Dominic Rabb, David Davis etc, were in regard to a select committee paper that came from the House Of Lords.
The EU make budget commitments in seven-year cycles. We are trying to leave the EU before the end of the current one, which ran from 2013, to 2020.
Therefore this payment of 39 billion is an agreed figure, between the EU, and Britain, to cover those outstanding obligations over that time period.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 9 minutes ago
The 39b was agreed so we can move on to the next bit of negotiations, if there's no deal then there's no point paying it.
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Afraid not.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
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You having two opinions?
I was stating facts.
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Aye very good
We’re the statements by others I referred to not also facts as in they were clear statements?
Christ
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Those statements made by others, Dominic Rabb, David Davis etc, were in regard to a select committee paper that came from the House Of Lords.
The EU make budget commitments in seven-year cycles. We are trying to leave the EU before the end of the current one, which ran from 2013, to 2020.
Therefore this payment of 39 billion is an agreed figure, between the EU, and Britain, to cover those outstanding obligations over that time period.
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I’m not disagreeing with that.
I’m merely referring to clear and unequivocal statements that stated we would not pay any divorce deal should we be forced to leave without a deal.
I believe we won’t is all.
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How can you rule out No Deal Brexit....
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posted on 17/1/19
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 4 minutes ago
So nearly 3 years of supposed intense skilful negotiations, the best people, David Davis with his betting shop pen, and a few scraps of A4, and little Dr Fox, 40 deals in the first week, the easiest free trade deal in history I believe the leave people said.
Sunlit uplands.
The fella down the road swears by BMW's, his missus loves a glass of pinot, they will be on their knees begging us to take the bestest free trade deal ever.
Fast forward nearly 3 years, and with weeks to go till we leave, our countries strategy is now, 'let's put a gun to our heads, and they are bound to give in'.
What a total, fvcking joke.🤣
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Have you seen how Liam Fox has aged in the past two years?
He's not wearing his failure well at all.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 39bn is the UKs commitments that need to be paid.
Considering the UK paid off the DUP with £1bn that kind of money is not of great consequence to the EU members.
The UK will commit harm to its reputation should they not go through with paying that which is already committed and agreed.
This default will still be outstanding in face of other deals the UK hopes to make with the world.
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I don’t believe that is true at all.
Its been made perfectly clear that if we have no trade deal other than WTO then there is no payment.
Why on earth would the UK pay anything after essentially a two and a half year notice period?
And if anyone thinks that the likes of Spain, Greece, Italy and the like will stomach an additional £1.44bn because their politicians at a European level didn’t allow us any negotiation and were willing to let us walk away then they don’t underand the economic strain these countries and the EU are under.
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Thats incorrect.
The 39bn is for the UKs existing obligations. End of.
If the UK wants to be part of new trading arrangements that require membership of eu institutions they will of course require the UK to pay more.
If it doesn't, then no more needs to be paid bar the 39bn
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Completely disagree.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/britain-wont-pay-39bn-brexit-divorce-bill-if-there-is-no-deal-raab-insists-as-he-ramps-up-pressure-a3934541.html
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
The 39bn is the UKs commitments that need to be paid.
Considering the UK paid off the DUP with £1bn that kind of money is not of great consequence to the EU members.
The UK will commit harm to its reputation should they not go through with paying that which is already committed and agreed.
This default will still be outstanding in face of other deals the UK hopes to make with the world.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t believe that is true at all.
Its been made perfectly clear that if we have no trade deal other than WTO then there is no payment.
Why on earth would the UK pay anything after essentially a two and a half year notice period?
And if anyone thinks that the likes of Spain, Greece, Italy and the like will stomach an additional £1.44bn because their politicians at a European level didn’t allow us any negotiation and were willing to let us walk away then they don’t underand the economic strain these countries and the EU are under.
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Thats incorrect.
The 39bn is for the UKs existing obligations. End of.
If the UK wants to be part of new trading arrangements that require membership of eu institutions they will of course require the UK to pay more.
If it doesn't, then no more needs to be paid bar the 39bn
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Completely disagree.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/britain-wont-pay-39bn-brexit-divorce-bill-if-there-is-no-deal-raab-insists-as-he-ramps-up-pressure-a3934541.html
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You disagree because Rabb says he is not in favour of paying if there's no deal?
The commitment is there and its real, whether you and Rabb disagree with it or not mate.
posted on 17/1/19
Not in the slightest.
The PM stated it too.
Do you honestly see our government or any government split as they are on all sides voting to pay this bill? Really?
It’s been clear all along that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and whether the EU feel they are due this money is completely irrelevant. What are they going to do? Send us a bill and then the bailiffs?
posted on 17/1/19
Obviously the first thing you do, before looking to make new global trade deals, is first of all renage on promises you made to your previous business partners.
Always fills new trading partners with such confidence this tactic.
Genius idea.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 46 seconds ago
Not in the slightest.
The PM stated it too.
Do you honestly see our government or any government split as they are on all sides voting to pay this bill? Really?
It’s been clear all along that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and whether the EU feel they are due this money is completely irrelevant. What are they going to do? Send us a bill and then the bailiffs?
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No, just maybe put tariffs on all goods from the UK and those on the way to the UK via European territory.
Oh, and the world put on notice that the UK doesn't pay their obligations.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
No-Deal would be very harmful to the EU also
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would be immeasurably harmful to the UK, IMMEASURABLY
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Short term, yes.
Medium/Long term, who knows.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
wtf are you on about ...
the financial crisis of 2008 is still affecting the economy now.
that was a short sharp shock that didn't need any infrastructure change.
Hard Brexit will make that financial crisis look like a lost tenner in comparison.
Hard fact, trading with the rest of the world rather than Europe costs more and takes longer.
Our cashflow and balance of payments suffer, and factor in also that a lot of our global trade is done via Europes ports, eg Porto, Genoa and Hamburg too.
Short term catastrophic, long term is recovering from catastrophic harm, while still having to cope with the worlds geography being as it is...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The cause of the credit crunch and global recession is entirely different .
When the banks and financial institutions which are entwined in every aspect of every economy fail and life, go to shiiiiit, globally, the consequences are far reaching across the board.
The same cannot be said of Brexit. Not saying it will be a picnic but the global recession is and was a different game.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 46 seconds ago
Not in the slightest.
The PM stated it too.
Do you honestly see our government or any government split as they are on all sides voting to pay this bill? Really?
It’s been clear all along that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed and whether the EU feel they are due this money is completely irrelevant. What are they going to do? Send us a bill and then the bailiffs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, just maybe put tariffs on all goods from the UK and those on the way to the UK via European territory.
Oh, and the world put on notice that the UK doesn't pay their obligations.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those may indeed be the implications. But we have made a number of clear statements that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
posted on 17/1/19
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 15 seconds ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Me too.
As with anything like this it’ll be government/parliament that decide.
Just cannot see it being voted through after a number of senior officials on our side stating quite clearly they wouldn’t pay.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Its not arbitrary..
Thats like you refusing to pay the electricity bill until you and the missus decide whether or not to move to Southern power.
Its just bluster, bravado. Everyone knows its a commitment that needs to be settled.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
No-Deal would be very harmful to the EU also
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would be immeasurably harmful to the UK, IMMEASURABLY
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Short term, yes.
Medium/Long term, who knows.
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wtf are you on about ...
the financial crisis of 2008 is still affecting the economy now.
that was a short sharp shock that didn't need any infrastructure change.
Hard Brexit will make that financial crisis look like a lost tenner in comparison.
Hard fact, trading with the rest of the world rather than Europe costs more and takes longer.
Our cashflow and balance of payments suffer, and factor in also that a lot of our global trade is done via Europes ports, eg Porto, Genoa and Hamburg too.
Short term catastrophic, long term is recovering from catastrophic harm, while still having to cope with the worlds geography being as it is...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The cause of the credit crunch and global recession is entirely different .
When the banks and financial institutions which are entwined in every aspect of every economy fail and life, go to shiiiiit, globally, the consequences are far reaching across the board.
The same cannot be said of Brexit. Not saying it will be a picnic but the global recession is and was a different game.
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Really.. so you don't see the same financial institutions as well as every single major industry that we have being entwined with the EU?
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not arbitrary..
Thats like you refusing to pay the electricity bill until you and the missus decide whether or not to move to Southern power.
Its just bluster, bravado. Everyone knows its a commitment that needs to be settled.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
That’s a daft comparison. I signed up to an agreed contract before using the electricity.
It’s in no way comparable.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 10 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To clarify that, Theresa May said that despite the legal obligations she would reconsider it if EU didn't offer a deal. (unlikely as its a legal requirement)
Anyway the EU did offer a deal, which Theresa May agreed on, but she failed to get it through parliament.
So its due anyway regardless.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 10 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To clarify that, Theresa May said that despite the legal obligations she would reconsider it if EU didn't offer a deal. (unlikely as its a legal requirement)
Anyway the EU did offer a deal, which Theresa May agreed on, but she failed to get it through parliament.
So its due anyway regardless.
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Hopefully we will get to see
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Its not arbitrary..
Thats like you refusing to pay the electricity bill until you and the missus decide whether or not to move to Southern power.
Its just bluster, bravado. Everyone knows its a commitment that needs to be settled.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What?
That’s a daft comparison. I signed up to an agreed contract before using the electricity.
It’s in no way comparable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its spot on, the UK agreed to pay this for the provision of EU institutions, processes and benefits- ie EU conducting trade negotiations on behalf of all member states, regulating standards and conventions.
Can't just not pay, its agreed legally like your electricity contract.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thought the £39 billion bill was only payable upon our parliament approving the withdrawal agreement.
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Its not arbitrary..
Thats like you refusing to pay the electricity bill until you and the missus decide whether or not to move to Southern power.
Its just bluster, bravado. Everyone knows its a commitment that needs to be settled.
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What?
That’s a daft comparison. I signed up to an agreed contract before using the electricity.
It’s in no way comparable.
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Its spot on, the UK agreed to pay this for the provision of EU institutions, processes and benefits- ie EU conducting trade negotiations on behalf of all member states, regulating standards and conventions.
Can't just not pay, its agreed legally like your electricity contract.
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Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
posted on 17/1/19
The house of lords wrote a report back in 2017, to the effect that the UK would not be liable to observe EU directives, in regard to payment of any outstanding obligations, in the event of Britain leaving the EU.
Legally it holds little sway.
The EU would simply cite the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, whether we leave the EU with or without a deal, and the UK would bear those liabilities and commitments.
And due to the sums involved, the EU would probably persue this through the International Court in the Hague.
posted on 17/1/19
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
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You having two opinions?
I was stating facts.
posted on 17/1/19
The 39b was agreed so we can move on to the next bit of negotiations, if there's no deal then there's no point paying it.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
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You having two opinions?
I was stating facts.
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Aye very good
We’re the statements by others I referred to not also facts as in they were clear statements?
Christ
posted on 17/1/19
Were
Even
posted on 17/1/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
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You having two opinions?
I was stating facts.
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Aye very good
We’re the statements by others I referred to not also facts as in they were clear statements?
Christ
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Those statements made by others, Dominic Rabb, David Davis etc, were in regard to a select committee paper that came from the House Of Lords.
The EU make budget commitments in seven-year cycles. We are trying to leave the EU before the end of the current one, which ran from 2013, to 2020.
Therefore this payment of 39 billion is an agreed figure, between the EU, and Britain, to cover those outstanding obligations over that time period.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 9 minutes ago
The 39b was agreed so we can move on to the next bit of negotiations, if there's no deal then there's no point paying it.
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Afraid not.
posted on 17/1/19
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
Look we’re going nowhere with this. Two completely different opinions but hopefully it’ll be put to the test.
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You having two opinions?
I was stating facts.
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Aye very good
We’re the statements by others I referred to not also facts as in they were clear statements?
Christ
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Those statements made by others, Dominic Rabb, David Davis etc, were in regard to a select committee paper that came from the House Of Lords.
The EU make budget commitments in seven-year cycles. We are trying to leave the EU before the end of the current one, which ran from 2013, to 2020.
Therefore this payment of 39 billion is an agreed figure, between the EU, and Britain, to cover those outstanding obligations over that time period.
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I’m not disagreeing with that.
I’m merely referring to clear and unequivocal statements that stated we would not pay any divorce deal should we be forced to leave without a deal.
I believe we won’t is all.
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