comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 3 minutes ago
BS - I can’t remember the exact quote but it was around the time Puel was telling the media that Leicester fans have delusions of grandeur.
Foxello - I think your descriptions there are inaccurate and unfair. I can’t believe you’ve been watching Leicester for years and still only have Vardy down as a pace merchant. He would never have scored the Premier League goals he has if that was all there was to it.
But aside from that, if you want the dressing room full of people with no character then you’re setting yourself up for a ton of trouble.
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Very naive Dunge. Character is great - but disrespecting the manager and if reports are to be believed, putting the pressure on Ranieri is not what you want from any player.
I didn’t used to think Leicester had an issue with this. What I saw from Vardy last week was an eye opener for me. On camera or not - that gives you an insight into what he thinks of his manager. Now if he thinks it, that’s one thing, but saying it to another player? I don’t want that at my club I’ll be honest. That’s not passion or character, that’s trouble
Dunge; I didn't say that pace was his only attribute, just that it was his main one. He's a good finisher and decent in the air but let's be honest, his main asset is his pace in behind defences. Once that pace goes, you have half the player you do now. And with his recent injuries, he'll probably lose that pace sooner rather than later. As I mentioned earlier, I think Puel has recognised that and wants to turn him into a player who doesn't have to rely on something he won't have for much longer. That means that his overall contribution to the team will be much reduced and I'm not sure that he will be able to start every game as a result.
As for 'character', yes I do want a dressing room that has character but that doesn't have to be by continually disrespecting the manager and having their family members publicly slating him.
He shouldn’t have said what he did last week, but it wasn’t as if it was a planned or deliberate action to undermine his authority. Players can’t be robots; they’ll have their frustrations. It’s a rap on the knuckles offence, which you could argue that leaving him out today was.
Foxello - He’s still struggling from an injury he picked up at the World Cup, and that’s quite aside from our style giving him nothing to work with. Give him more chances and an actual rest over the summer and you’ll see a dramatic improvement.
Vardy is not a one trick pony as many imagine and has 5 key attributes:
1. Finishing
2. Pace and playing on the line
3. Link up play (often overlooked)
4. Clownery
5. Throwing parties
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 15 minutes ago
He shouldn’t have said what he did last week, but it wasn’t as if it was a planned or deliberate action to undermine his authority. Players can’t be robots; they’ll have their frustrations. It’s a rap on the knuckles offence, which you could argue that leaving him out today was.
Foxello - He’s still struggling from an injury he picked up at the World Cup, and that’s quite aside from our style giving him nothing to work with. Give him more chances and an actual rest over the summer and you’ll see a dramatic improvement.
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I wouldn’t say Vardy had nothing to work with today. We had the same number of expected goals as Man City who beat Chelsea 6-0. We are creating chances. We have been creating good chances for weeks. The stats absolutely show that. Maybe it’s not the over the top balls Vardy always wants - but we’re not short on creating chances. The stats just won’t back you up on that
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 43 seconds ago
Vardy is not a one trick pony as many imagine and has 5 key attributes:
1. Finishing
2. Pace and playing on the line
3. Link up play (often overlooked)
4. Clownery
5. Throwing parties
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I’m not going to argue (for a change) on points 4 and 5. He’s got those in the back.
Link up play I’m really not so sure on. Movement in the box is weak as well - he doesn’t have the kind of movement in the box that some of the top strikers have. But that’s not to take away from his other attributes - but unfortunately he isn’t suited to what Leicester are looking to do in the future. It’s not as if he’s 25 either
BS - From what I’ve watched and witnessed, we’re not creating good chances that often - particularly when playing lesser teams recently. Today we created the kind of chance I’ve been wanting to see, and our goal was an excellent example of it. That’s why I want to see more like today. If we keep creating chances like that, the goals will come.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 28 minutes ago
BS - From what I’ve watched and witnessed, we’re not creating good chances that often - particularly when playing lesser teams recently. Today we created the kind of chance I’ve been wanting to see, and our goal was an excellent example of it. That’s why I want to see more like today. If we keep creating chances like that, the goals will come.
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Unfortunately what you’ve watched and witnessed doesn’t marry up with the actual stats. Have a look at them. The problem with us fans is we tend to look at things through a slightly biased lens, our memories of matches are also tinted - that’s true whatever side of the fence your on - or even if you’re sitting on it.
The stats tell the story that for weeks now we’ve been attacking teams, even the ones lower than us, creating clear cut chances and not taking them. The expected goals stats is always higher than what we end up with which is very telling
Foxello - I don't agree we should get rid of two of our most experienced players, we need to have a balance in the side to give the youth policy a chance to work through. We do need to think about a replacement for Vardy though, he won't be around for too much longer. It's worrying that we don't have a striker who could feasibly replace him. Kasper is different, there is already someone there who arguably could do a better job.
I also don't think that Claude is doomed either, I expect he will survive to the end of the season, provided we don't have a catastrophic run of bad results dragging us into the relegation dogfight.
The results and performances we have in our remaining games will play a large part in determining his future. In that context the next two games are absolutely crucial, they are against Palace and Brighton at home and are exactly the type of teams we have struggled with. We know that we can compete against the very best, even yesterday's defeat was positive as we outplayed Spurs overall. Can we have improvement against sides that come to the KP and set out to defend? Hopefully so, with the addition of Tielemans looking like it may be beneficial in the short term at least.
It's a massive test, we need to perform well and start winning these games at home for Puel to give himself the best chance of staying on - it's not too late for him to win round the fans.
Here's an article on Claude after yesterday, not very complimentary but giving an interesting suggestion for a potential replacement:
https://filbertway.com/2019/02/10/claude-puel-your-calculation-doesnt-add-up-we-need-a-new-man-next-season-and-that-is/
I'd be a bit wary of this, brilliant players don't always make great managers although Lampard has had a good start at Derby.
BS - I do agree that it’s been better of late, although I’d disagree that it’s been the case against lesser teams where we’re not given space in behind. I’d also agree that the youngsters in the team have missed some great chances - Barnes yesterday comes to mind and Maddison with a header the other week; but how many chances have we been creating for the guy who’s proven himself clinical in recent seasons?
The kind of goal we scored yesterday is what we need to create more of, and I was happy to see that Tielemans made it. Hopefully the team’s going in the right direction.
I can get the stats out if you want Dunge and against Cardiff, Southampton and Wolves. It’s surprising, we create a lot more chances for Vardy than you think. The expected goals ratio is surprisingly high. We had far more attempts than Cardiff on goal, created chances for Vardy which weren’t taken and of course battered Southampton chances wise
This is the issue with fans and their memories of games - they don’t correlate with the actual stats
I’d be interested to see. Cardiff’s a bit hazier but my recollection of Southampton was that we couldn’t carve out really good opportunities despite them spending the entire second half camped out in their own box.
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players he's got and play to their strengths in a system that suits them. Puel isn't doing this and he's not the only one, Jose & Sarri are the same. You can't blame players when it doesn't work.
comment by Liecestersport (U22010)
posted 7 hours, 36 minutes ago
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players he's got and play to their strengths in a system that suits them. Puel isn't doing this and he's not the only one, Jose & Sarri are the same. You can't blame players when it doesn't work.
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We’ve just dominated spurs, gone toe to toe with Liverpool and given United a game. You’re acting like this is the second season under Ranieri.
The players are developing well, but the style is evolving. It has to evolve and it will take time to evolve. Hitting balls over the top to Vardy won’t work when he’s 40 will it?
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 9 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Liecestersport (U22010)
posted 7 hours, 36 minutes ago
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players he's got and play to their strengths in a system that suits them. Puel isn't doing this and he's not the only one, Jose & Sarri are the same. You can't blame players when it doesn't work.
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We’ve just dominated spurs, gone toe to toe with Liverpool and given United a game. You’re acting like this is the second season under Ranieri.
The players are developing well, but the style is evolving. It has to evolve and it will take time to evolve. Hitting balls over the top to Vardy won’t work when he’s 40 will it?
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Those were hugely encouraging performances. I expected us to be competitive against those teams because we've shown it against other 'top' sides. I'm even more encouraged with the showing against Spurs, it's only one game but it looks like Tielemans could make a big difference.
However, despite the encouragement, we only harvested one point out of 9 in what were free hits for Claude. So for me, the more important matches are the two coming up - Palace and Brighton at home - if we do well in them I may have to get down off the fence and start on the road to conversion.
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 9 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Liecestersport (U22010)
posted 7 hours, 36 minutes ago
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players he's got and play to their strengths in a system that suits them. Puel isn't doing this and he's not the only one, Jose & Sarri are the same. You can't blame players when it doesn't work.
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We’ve just dominated spurs, gone toe to toe with Liverpool and given United a game. You’re acting like this is the second season under Ranieri.
The players are developing well, but the style is evolving. It has to evolve and it will take time to evolve. Hitting balls over the top to Vardy won’t work when he’s 40 will it?
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Those were hugely encouraging performances. I expected us to be competitive against those teams because we've shown it against other 'top' sides. I'm even more encouraged with the showing against Spurs, it's only one game but it looks like Tielemans could make a big difference.
However, despite the encouragement, we only harvested one point out of 9 in what were free hits for Claude. So for me, the more important matches are the two coming up - Palace and Brighton at home - if we do well in them I may have to get down off the fence and start on the road to conversion.
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That’s absolutely fair. The problem with some of the fans is that they are expecting the same amount of space against those sides that we got on the counter against Spurs at times. Some of them can’t understand why Vardy isn’t latching onto a through ball from N’didi and gets himself one on one with the keeper before putting it away.
Brighton and Palace have historically yielded little for us - even under Ranieri and Shakespeare. They will be much harder than the 3 games we have just played. Tielemans I feel could be the answer. But we are going to have to be patient in those games. We also need to take clear cut chances that we didn’t against Cardiff for example
On the flip side we need to approach those games with more intensity (which Puel keeps saying himself) than against West Ham which was awful. We can’t start badly again and then have to chase the game. If Puel can’t sort that out in the long term then I agree we need to look elsewhere in the summer
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 11 minutes ago
On the flip side we need to approach those games with more intensity (which Puel keeps saying himself) than against West Ham which was awful. We can’t start badly again and then have to chase the game. If Puel can’t sort that out in the long term then I agree we need to look elsewhere in the summer
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We definitely need to up the intensity against the sides lower in the division, I'd like to see us with a high press - it can pay dividends against them.
I'm really hoping that our French leopard will change his spots, otherwise his time with us may indeed be limited.
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posted on 10/2/19
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 3 minutes ago
BS - I can’t remember the exact quote but it was around the time Puel was telling the media that Leicester fans have delusions of grandeur.
Foxello - I think your descriptions there are inaccurate and unfair. I can’t believe you’ve been watching Leicester for years and still only have Vardy down as a pace merchant. He would never have scored the Premier League goals he has if that was all there was to it.
But aside from that, if you want the dressing room full of people with no character then you’re setting yourself up for a ton of trouble.
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Very naive Dunge. Character is great - but disrespecting the manager and if reports are to be believed, putting the pressure on Ranieri is not what you want from any player.
I didn’t used to think Leicester had an issue with this. What I saw from Vardy last week was an eye opener for me. On camera or not - that gives you an insight into what he thinks of his manager. Now if he thinks it, that’s one thing, but saying it to another player? I don’t want that at my club I’ll be honest. That’s not passion or character, that’s trouble
posted on 10/2/19
Dunge; I didn't say that pace was his only attribute, just that it was his main one. He's a good finisher and decent in the air but let's be honest, his main asset is his pace in behind defences. Once that pace goes, you have half the player you do now. And with his recent injuries, he'll probably lose that pace sooner rather than later. As I mentioned earlier, I think Puel has recognised that and wants to turn him into a player who doesn't have to rely on something he won't have for much longer. That means that his overall contribution to the team will be much reduced and I'm not sure that he will be able to start every game as a result.
As for 'character', yes I do want a dressing room that has character but that doesn't have to be by continually disrespecting the manager and having their family members publicly slating him.
posted on 10/2/19
He shouldn’t have said what he did last week, but it wasn’t as if it was a planned or deliberate action to undermine his authority. Players can’t be robots; they’ll have their frustrations. It’s a rap on the knuckles offence, which you could argue that leaving him out today was.
Foxello - He’s still struggling from an injury he picked up at the World Cup, and that’s quite aside from our style giving him nothing to work with. Give him more chances and an actual rest over the summer and you’ll see a dramatic improvement.
posted on 10/2/19
Vardy is not a one trick pony as many imagine and has 5 key attributes:
1. Finishing
2. Pace and playing on the line
3. Link up play (often overlooked)
4. Clownery
5. Throwing parties
posted on 10/2/19
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 15 minutes ago
He shouldn’t have said what he did last week, but it wasn’t as if it was a planned or deliberate action to undermine his authority. Players can’t be robots; they’ll have their frustrations. It’s a rap on the knuckles offence, which you could argue that leaving him out today was.
Foxello - He’s still struggling from an injury he picked up at the World Cup, and that’s quite aside from our style giving him nothing to work with. Give him more chances and an actual rest over the summer and you’ll see a dramatic improvement.
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I wouldn’t say Vardy had nothing to work with today. We had the same number of expected goals as Man City who beat Chelsea 6-0. We are creating chances. We have been creating good chances for weeks. The stats absolutely show that. Maybe it’s not the over the top balls Vardy always wants - but we’re not short on creating chances. The stats just won’t back you up on that
posted on 10/2/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 43 seconds ago
Vardy is not a one trick pony as many imagine and has 5 key attributes:
1. Finishing
2. Pace and playing on the line
3. Link up play (often overlooked)
4. Clownery
5. Throwing parties
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I’m not going to argue (for a change) on points 4 and 5. He’s got those in the back.
Link up play I’m really not so sure on. Movement in the box is weak as well - he doesn’t have the kind of movement in the box that some of the top strikers have. But that’s not to take away from his other attributes - but unfortunately he isn’t suited to what Leicester are looking to do in the future. It’s not as if he’s 25 either
posted on 10/2/19
BS - From what I’ve watched and witnessed, we’re not creating good chances that often - particularly when playing lesser teams recently. Today we created the kind of chance I’ve been wanting to see, and our goal was an excellent example of it. That’s why I want to see more like today. If we keep creating chances like that, the goals will come.
posted on 10/2/19
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 28 minutes ago
BS - From what I’ve watched and witnessed, we’re not creating good chances that often - particularly when playing lesser teams recently. Today we created the kind of chance I’ve been wanting to see, and our goal was an excellent example of it. That’s why I want to see more like today. If we keep creating chances like that, the goals will come.
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Unfortunately what you’ve watched and witnessed doesn’t marry up with the actual stats. Have a look at them. The problem with us fans is we tend to look at things through a slightly biased lens, our memories of matches are also tinted - that’s true whatever side of the fence your on - or even if you’re sitting on it.
The stats tell the story that for weeks now we’ve been attacking teams, even the ones lower than us, creating clear cut chances and not taking them. The expected goals stats is always higher than what we end up with which is very telling
posted on 11/2/19
Foxello - I don't agree we should get rid of two of our most experienced players, we need to have a balance in the side to give the youth policy a chance to work through. We do need to think about a replacement for Vardy though, he won't be around for too much longer. It's worrying that we don't have a striker who could feasibly replace him. Kasper is different, there is already someone there who arguably could do a better job.
I also don't think that Claude is doomed either, I expect he will survive to the end of the season, provided we don't have a catastrophic run of bad results dragging us into the relegation dogfight.
The results and performances we have in our remaining games will play a large part in determining his future. In that context the next two games are absolutely crucial, they are against Palace and Brighton at home and are exactly the type of teams we have struggled with. We know that we can compete against the very best, even yesterday's defeat was positive as we outplayed Spurs overall. Can we have improvement against sides that come to the KP and set out to defend? Hopefully so, with the addition of Tielemans looking like it may be beneficial in the short term at least.
It's a massive test, we need to perform well and start winning these games at home for Puel to give himself the best chance of staying on - it's not too late for him to win round the fans.
posted on 11/2/19
Here's an article on Claude after yesterday, not very complimentary but giving an interesting suggestion for a potential replacement:
https://filbertway.com/2019/02/10/claude-puel-your-calculation-doesnt-add-up-we-need-a-new-man-next-season-and-that-is/
I'd be a bit wary of this, brilliant players don't always make great managers although Lampard has had a good start at Derby.
posted on 11/2/19
BS - I do agree that it’s been better of late, although I’d disagree that it’s been the case against lesser teams where we’re not given space in behind. I’d also agree that the youngsters in the team have missed some great chances - Barnes yesterday comes to mind and Maddison with a header the other week; but how many chances have we been creating for the guy who’s proven himself clinical in recent seasons?
The kind of goal we scored yesterday is what we need to create more of, and I was happy to see that Tielemans made it. Hopefully the team’s going in the right direction.
posted on 11/2/19
I can get the stats out if you want Dunge and against Cardiff, Southampton and Wolves. It’s surprising, we create a lot more chances for Vardy than you think. The expected goals ratio is surprisingly high. We had far more attempts than Cardiff on goal, created chances for Vardy which weren’t taken and of course battered Southampton chances wise
This is the issue with fans and their memories of games - they don’t correlate with the actual stats
posted on 11/2/19
I’d be interested to see. Cardiff’s a bit hazier but my recollection of Southampton was that we couldn’t carve out really good opportunities despite them spending the entire second half camped out in their own box.
posted on 11/2/19
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players he's got and play to their strengths in a system that suits them. Puel isn't doing this and he's not the only one, Jose & Sarri are the same. You can't blame players when it doesn't work.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Liecestersport (U22010)
posted 7 hours, 36 minutes ago
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players he's got and play to their strengths in a system that suits them. Puel isn't doing this and he's not the only one, Jose & Sarri are the same. You can't blame players when it doesn't work.
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We’ve just dominated spurs, gone toe to toe with Liverpool and given United a game. You’re acting like this is the second season under Ranieri.
The players are developing well, but the style is evolving. It has to evolve and it will take time to evolve. Hitting balls over the top to Vardy won’t work when he’s 40 will it?
posted on 12/2/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 9 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Liecestersport (U22010)
posted 7 hours, 36 minutes ago
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players he's got and play to their strengths in a system that suits them. Puel isn't doing this and he's not the only one, Jose & Sarri are the same. You can't blame players when it doesn't work.
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We’ve just dominated spurs, gone toe to toe with Liverpool and given United a game. You’re acting like this is the second season under Ranieri.
The players are developing well, but the style is evolving. It has to evolve and it will take time to evolve. Hitting balls over the top to Vardy won’t work when he’s 40 will it?
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Those were hugely encouraging performances. I expected us to be competitive against those teams because we've shown it against other 'top' sides. I'm even more encouraged with the showing against Spurs, it's only one game but it looks like Tielemans could make a big difference.
However, despite the encouragement, we only harvested one point out of 9 in what were free hits for Claude. So for me, the more important matches are the two coming up - Palace and Brighton at home - if we do well in them I may have to get down off the fence and start on the road to conversion.
posted on 12/2/19
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 9 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by Liecestersport (U22010)
posted 7 hours, 36 minutes ago
The job of a manager is to get the best out of the players he's got and play to their strengths in a system that suits them. Puel isn't doing this and he's not the only one, Jose & Sarri are the same. You can't blame players when it doesn't work.
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We’ve just dominated spurs, gone toe to toe with Liverpool and given United a game. You’re acting like this is the second season under Ranieri.
The players are developing well, but the style is evolving. It has to evolve and it will take time to evolve. Hitting balls over the top to Vardy won’t work when he’s 40 will it?
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Those were hugely encouraging performances. I expected us to be competitive against those teams because we've shown it against other 'top' sides. I'm even more encouraged with the showing against Spurs, it's only one game but it looks like Tielemans could make a big difference.
However, despite the encouragement, we only harvested one point out of 9 in what were free hits for Claude. So for me, the more important matches are the two coming up - Palace and Brighton at home - if we do well in them I may have to get down off the fence and start on the road to conversion.
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That’s absolutely fair. The problem with some of the fans is that they are expecting the same amount of space against those sides that we got on the counter against Spurs at times. Some of them can’t understand why Vardy isn’t latching onto a through ball from N’didi and gets himself one on one with the keeper before putting it away.
Brighton and Palace have historically yielded little for us - even under Ranieri and Shakespeare. They will be much harder than the 3 games we have just played. Tielemans I feel could be the answer. But we are going to have to be patient in those games. We also need to take clear cut chances that we didn’t against Cardiff for example
posted on 12/2/19
On the flip side we need to approach those games with more intensity (which Puel keeps saying himself) than against West Ham which was awful. We can’t start badly again and then have to chase the game. If Puel can’t sort that out in the long term then I agree we need to look elsewhere in the summer
posted on 12/2/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 11 minutes ago
On the flip side we need to approach those games with more intensity (which Puel keeps saying himself) than against West Ham which was awful. We can’t start badly again and then have to chase the game. If Puel can’t sort that out in the long term then I agree we need to look elsewhere in the summer
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We definitely need to up the intensity against the sides lower in the division, I'd like to see us with a high press - it can pay dividends against them.
I'm really hoping that our French leopard will change his spots, otherwise his time with us may indeed be limited.
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