Yep it’s pretty awful to see what’s happening at the club. Unfortunately due to the tragedy in October, there is a real lack of visible leadership at a time when it’s desperately needed. There are rumours that Top may not want to keep hold of the club, rumours that King Power may continue ownership but under the guidance of a new external chairman - things are a mess.
Sadly, the supporters in the stands are having a hugely negative impact right now. No atmosphere at home games, booing subs, booing players, just the behaviour of a spoilt fan base if I’m honest. And a fan base I fear will boo it’s club towards the championship if it’s not very careful
Very divided fan base, even though our performances in recent weeks have been mainly good, we have not won since New Years Day!
If we could transfer our performances against the top 6 teams into games against the sides below us that would help with fans feelings towards the manager obviously. I'm thinking the signing of Tielemans would help with this with one of N'diddi (probably) or Mendy dropping out of midfield.
Decent run coming up where we don't play anyone in the top 6 until Arsenal in April, I think his future maybe decided by how we do in that run, if it's not already been decided that is.
The fans have their part to play as well YH. There was better support when Holloway was manager and we were bottom 3 of the championship
Got to agree with BS on support. It’s dreadful at the moment, particularly considering how many young players are out there who need encouragement. I don’t believe for a minute that Puel is a top manager in any way, but I don’t see a team that’s given up. I don’t see a lost dressing room out there. He’s the man for the moment and there’s clearly no appetite to change him within the club, at least until the summer. I can’t believe people would be watching yesterday’s performance and complain about it - keep doing that and we’ll win more than we lose.
It really is time for the fan base to get behind the team, particularly with two highly winnable home games coming up and a long run of games against non top 6 teams.
Really good post. I was thinking of posting today around a similar topic.
I am now starting to have real concerns about our club. BS articulates a real worry about our ownership and stability and that concerns me. I worry that the disfunxtional relationship between manager, players and fans may encourage Top to step away. I hope not and he shows the strong leadership needed to help this project in to its next phase.
Despite Foxello and BS thinking I want Puel shot, I’m actually still unsure what the right answer is. I think we have a very strong squad, which is a view that seems to be echoed across media and pundits currently. I also think Puel has them vastly under performing right now. 1 win in 7 is relegation form whoever you play (and we’ve played Cardiff, Southampton, Everton and Wolves in that don’t forget).
However, there are signs that Puel’s methods are slowly improving. Our fullbacks overlapping looks to have really created more actual goalscoring opportunities in recent weeks, and Barnes has added another dimension. Tielemans may just be the missing link!
So the next two games will be key. If we go back to struggling to break down the opposition in chanceless games, and don’t pick up a win, I’m sorry but in anyone’s book, 1 win in 10 is worthy of replacement. But if we build from the spurs game, put in real good performances and get results, then there’s evidence that we (me included) were too hasty in our judgement.
I worry our squad is divided. Peter Schmeichel’s interview highlighted that there is clear tension between some players and Puel. How big a problem this is I don’t know. But it’s a problem. And it will spread like cancer through the club unless it’s fixed and quickly. You see too many examples of teams “too good to go down” that become discunctional. I worry this could happen.
What is clear is that this is a time where strong leadership is key. If we can’t agree as fans on what we see on the pitch, I’m pretty sure we can all agree we back our ownership for all they’ve done.
Maybe this is time to show Top and King power our appreciation. Top maybe needs to know that we are behind him, even if we can’t agree on the manager.
We can at least come together on that?
As a Spurs fan I thought Leicester were excellent yesterday and if you keep playing like that you should finish the season very strongly.
Tielemans looks a bit useful.
“1 win in 10 is worthy of replacement”
Maybe in Italy Mersey but I’d like to think that there’s a wider context to this than that stat alone. As an example, did the owners fire Pearson for doing worse than that and having us bottom of the table throughout most of the 14/15 season?
Based on your stated logic above - they should have sacked him: yet that would have been a huge mistake, one that could have seen us relegated. The owners saw players playing for the manger (same as now) and they saw that the performances were not getting the results we deserved to get. They trusted this would come good. It did
We now have a situation where we are undertaking the biggest overhaul of our playing squad since 2011. The performances in the last few weeks haven’t just slowly improved - it’s been chalk and cheese since West Ham at home (where we were awful)
Let’s hope whoever is leading things behind the scenes can have a more balanced view than some of the fans
Great thread Appleton, very balanced.
I don’t think we are more divided, it’s normal these days with internet about.
We’re just finely balanced between having an exciting young team or going into a relegation battle, time will tell whether we lost the back bone of those young players in the Summer because they want a better challenge than mid table or they believe in Puel.
As Carragher stated yesterday, he believes we have the best side outside the top 6, time to start showing it.
The support issue is largely down to Claude. He isn't the most inspirational leader to start with, which doesn't bother me but it doesn't help. We've generally been playing awful boring football at home for a year, I know there are green shoots of improvement but they are yet to fully blossom. He has been far too defensive with his tactics and his team choices and substitutions are frequently bewildering. Add in us being behind for significant parts of games and it doesn't surprise me that the atmosphere is flat.
I'm not saying it should be like this, the fans should get behind the team and we shouldn't have shameful episodes like Ghezzal being booed on to the pitch against United.
King Power finishing with LCFC has been a concern I've had since the tragedy with Vichai, Top would obviously like to continue the success with the club in his father's memory, but he just may have to focus on the KP business which has significant challenges coming up.
Oh and as I posted on another thread, it's not too late for Claude to turn it around, it will take better performances and results to do this, in particular at home.
There is no doubt that the current situation of apathy towards our manager has created a quite dreadful atmosphere in the stands. The Man Utd game is the worst atmosphere I can remember for a long time - probably even worse than our Championship relegation season as BS suggests - so maybe as far back as the dark days post MON.
Do I think Puel is the right man? On balance: no.
I do, however, think his job his huge. To transition the team away from the title winning side to a side that can compete consistently in upper mid-table is something that many would fail to achieve. On balance we’re not doing too badly with a young, talented, squad.
My personal view is that’s it’s not as good as many believe, although it’s long term potential might be higher. The danger of investing so heavily in youth is that you never actually reach your destination because the best talent is picked off by other clubs and you lose sight of the here and now. That’s where our recruitment team has failed in terms of bringing in those players with experience. Nobody has patience with a long term plan unless the results on the pitch are good enough to allow someone the space and time to develop it.
So, in some respects, Puel is the right man. He is the man who has history of bringing young players through. He won’t, however, be afforded any time unless the performances consistently improve and his more bizarre team selections aren’t seen as an imperative to this. Starting a team without a striker is either a very brave or very strange decision for a manager under pressure, but there are few places to hide if it goes wrong.
You cannot help but feel that the recent performances have been sufficiently good to allow for some optimism. But performances without points will only delay the inevitable. Puel desperately needs a fluid, creative, winning performance against a team outside the top six. Two and he’d be well away.
However, if the next two games see a couple of turgid, uncreative, uninspiring defeats then I can’t help think that Puel is gone. The atmosphere will be so aggressive and toxic that the environment wouldn’t be conducive to keeping the manager - even if we wanted to.
The fans have never taken to Puel or his style of football,even when we were bad under Pearson there was always respect for the manager,sadly that seems to have gone now.
I realise our performances have improved,and i know our squad needs changes , but our record under Puel is just not acceptable .We have some very good players who other teams are looking at, but is Puel really getting the best out of them?
Are we in a Mourinho situation?
I think 1 win in 10, together with an embarrassment in the FA cup is not acceptable.
Feel free to argue BS, but try to keep it respectfull if possible !! It is all about opinions after all.
‘The support issue is largely down to Claude.’
And this right here is the problem. The fans take zero responsibility for doing their part and getting behind the team - even when things are going badly. The king power is like a library right now and it’s pathetic to simply say it’s down to Puel to get a reaction from the fans
I’ll be honest - the support when we were getting relegated from the championship was better because the stadium had in my opinion a hardcore of real Leicester fans that followed this team through thick and thing.
What I think we have now is a section of the attendance that have been spoilt with massive success and are struggling to accept things not going so well.
I expect expectations are higher than many years for obvious reasons.Yes there are a lot of "new" fans who expect us to win every game (and leave on 40 mins, come back on 50 then again on 80 and wonder why real supporters get annoyed)
But we have so much more quality players now, and for reason they are just not getting the results that they are capable of,and so many games have been dire.
That is why the atmosphere is so flat,total frustration,and the fans cant see where Puel is taking us.
I think that the club is waiting to see what happens at Newcastle.!!
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 15 minutes ago
The fans have never taken to Puel or his style of football,even when we were bad under Pearson there was always respect for the manager,sadly that seems to have gone now.
I realise our performances have improved,and i know our squad needs changes , but our record under Puel is just not acceptable .We have some very good players who other teams are looking at, but is Puel really getting the best out of them?
Are we in a Mourinho situation?
I think 1 win in 10, together with an embarrassment in the FA cup is not acceptable.
Feel free to argue BS, but try to keep it respectfull if possible !! It is all about opinions after all.
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I haven’t said anything disrespectful on this thread.
"I haven’t said anything disrespectful on this thread."
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Excellent self restraint!
Keep it going BS
Sadly BS the quality of your memory is not as good as the quality of some of your postings.
Moron, is not a good turn of phrase to use.Think you are better than that.
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 1 minute ago
"I haven’t said anything disrespectful on this thread."
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Excellent self restraint!
Keep it going BS
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That’s definitely progress for me
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 1 second ago
Sadly BS the quality of your memory is not as good as the quality of some of your postings.
Moron, is not a good turn of phrase to use.Think you are better than that.
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I haven’t used that term on this thread. If you’re making a wider point about emotive comments made on yesterday’s match thread then fair enough - but that’s not relevant to today’s thread.
You want to pop on to foxes talk some time if you think any of what I say is that bad. It’s absolutely nothing - I don’t regret using the term by the way and I stand by it
I kept well out of the feed yesterday no collateral damage done
And this right here is the problem. The fans take zero responsibility for doing their part and getting behind the team - even when things are going badly. The king power is like a library right now and it’s pathetic to simply say it’s down to Puel to get a reaction from the fans
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I have to disagree here BS. Yes the fans need to stand up and take responsibility for their actions.
But the reason the atmosphere is so poor, in my opinion, is because the fans are being given nothing to get behind. It’s a very complex issue and not one that can simply be fixed by someone saying “pull your socks up and sing more yeah”!
The atmosphere at the ground is a result of turgid performances over the last year, a lack of connection between the players and fans, a lack of identity for the club, and a total breakdown in connection between players and fans.
This is the club’s plan, executed under Puel’s guidance. I think Puel has lost the fans and as our leader, he’s lost the atmosphere.
I know you won’t agree with this, but Unfortunately 30,000 people can’t just turn on passion. It has to be created. The manager is responsible for creating that.
Before you say it, I know I’m a moron.
Do we see the green shoots of youth and quality and get behind the team irrespective of our opinions of CP or has it gone too far now, and there is no way back for him?
If it's the latter then will the division continue until he is gone?
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Armchair waller here-perspective from a rank outsider looking in:
It probably all boils down to this now. One way or t’other. Until yesterday I thought this was likely to be Claude Puel’s last match in charge and he lost again. However, at the same time, he’s gained some credibility-not in sending on Gray as a CF but in the spirited display clearly on show.
It was great to see Barnes, Tielemans and Chilwell advancing with some pace and it looks like City have gained some admirers along the way. Unfortunately, all this grace and flair doesn’t win matches and the club has reached a point where they need to ensure safety for next season. That’s not far off the target but all of a sudden they’re looking over their shoulders.
I’ve altered my stance ever so slightly. Maintain the kind of performance that was on show yesterday for the next 4 or 5 matches, picking up sufficient points along the way to maintain a position of comfort. If that isn’t achieved then off with him at the end of the season.
Away from the internet and in the real world, I think the biggest issue for a lot of fans has been Puel’s inconsistencies with regard to his formation and tactics rather than the fact we are mid table and not winning games. Whilst our position in the table and run Of results in the New Year isn’t great, I think this is more of a consequence of what was the root of the problem for some fans.
I think the fact that concerns have constantly been raised with regard to lack of coherency in relation to a clear/consistent plan even during better periods of results backs up what is the true nucleus of the problem. In fact as has been stated, there are positives in relation to youth and potential to build on foundations of previous success and some of this is definitely down to Puel.
However, it’s the constant glimmer of light that is then dashed away by another weird tactical decision or formation choice.
I again, see shards of optimism after some recent games but also worry these will again be cast into darkness or at least uncertainty.
Unfortunately, I think this has gone on for so long that it has made some fans so fed that they are becoming much more inflexible with Puel - and to be fair, probably a little blind-sided to some of the potential that is there (although how long we accept it being ‘potential’ is up for debate and more importantly, how long we accept what some feel is detrimental decisions to prevent progress in the short term <there is still long term changes to be made, but there is nothing more infuriating that not even playing the best 11 you have available let along trying to improve it>
I think also unfortunately, the length of time this has been going on has meant that reflection on what a lot of Leicester fans are annoyed at has become diluted and even misrepresented - in the media, from opposition fans and now perhaps amongst our own fan base ( although this is ALOT more fractioned and over the top on here than most footballing conversations in real life.
And even more unfortunate is that we probably are in a position now where opinions are set from some, both in terms of Puel (for good or for bad) and why people may have had enough. It’s all become very black and white (which it isn’t) and actually, in terms of conversations on here almost enforced in relation to what your view must be and what your view is based on. The opposite of a forum and debate really.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 7 hours, 29 minutes ago
And this right here is the problem. The fans take zero responsibility for doing their part and getting behind the team - even when things are going badly. The king power is like a library right now and it’s pathetic to simply say it’s down to Puel to get a reaction from the fans
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I have to disagree here BS. Yes the fans need to stand up and take responsibility for their actions.
But the reason the atmosphere is so poor, in my opinion, is because the fans are being given nothing to get behind. It’s a very complex issue and not one that can simply be fixed by someone saying “pull your socks up and sing more yeah”!
The atmosphere at the ground is a result of turgid performances over the last year, a lack of connection between the players and fans, a lack of identity for the club, and a total breakdown in connection between players and fans.
This is the club’s plan, executed under Puel’s guidance. I think Puel has lost the fans and as our leader, he’s lost the atmosphere.
I know you won’t agree with this, but Unfortunately 30,000 people can’t just turn on passion. It has to be created. The manager is responsible for creating that.
Before you say it, I know I’m a moron.
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I wouldn’t call you a moron for expressing your opinion. That’s your opinion - I can see some logic in it. I might say someone is a moron if they are unwilling to listen to the other side of the debate and continually stipulate things that factually aren’t true.
Or perhaps someone who is willing to give Puel til the end of the season one week and then declares that he wants him out the next, simply based on his team selection.
By the way Mersey I just checked and I didn’t call you a moron yesterday That was MILBC. You can’t even get insulted correctly......
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posted on 11/2/19
Yep it’s pretty awful to see what’s happening at the club. Unfortunately due to the tragedy in October, there is a real lack of visible leadership at a time when it’s desperately needed. There are rumours that Top may not want to keep hold of the club, rumours that King Power may continue ownership but under the guidance of a new external chairman - things are a mess.
Sadly, the supporters in the stands are having a hugely negative impact right now. No atmosphere at home games, booing subs, booing players, just the behaviour of a spoilt fan base if I’m honest. And a fan base I fear will boo it’s club towards the championship if it’s not very careful
posted on 11/2/19
Very divided fan base, even though our performances in recent weeks have been mainly good, we have not won since New Years Day!
If we could transfer our performances against the top 6 teams into games against the sides below us that would help with fans feelings towards the manager obviously. I'm thinking the signing of Tielemans would help with this with one of N'diddi (probably) or Mendy dropping out of midfield.
Decent run coming up where we don't play anyone in the top 6 until Arsenal in April, I think his future maybe decided by how we do in that run, if it's not already been decided that is.
posted on 11/2/19
The fans have their part to play as well YH. There was better support when Holloway was manager and we were bottom 3 of the championship
posted on 11/2/19
Got to agree with BS on support. It’s dreadful at the moment, particularly considering how many young players are out there who need encouragement. I don’t believe for a minute that Puel is a top manager in any way, but I don’t see a team that’s given up. I don’t see a lost dressing room out there. He’s the man for the moment and there’s clearly no appetite to change him within the club, at least until the summer. I can’t believe people would be watching yesterday’s performance and complain about it - keep doing that and we’ll win more than we lose.
It really is time for the fan base to get behind the team, particularly with two highly winnable home games coming up and a long run of games against non top 6 teams.
posted on 11/2/19
Really good post. I was thinking of posting today around a similar topic.
I am now starting to have real concerns about our club. BS articulates a real worry about our ownership and stability and that concerns me. I worry that the disfunxtional relationship between manager, players and fans may encourage Top to step away. I hope not and he shows the strong leadership needed to help this project in to its next phase.
Despite Foxello and BS thinking I want Puel shot, I’m actually still unsure what the right answer is. I think we have a very strong squad, which is a view that seems to be echoed across media and pundits currently. I also think Puel has them vastly under performing right now. 1 win in 7 is relegation form whoever you play (and we’ve played Cardiff, Southampton, Everton and Wolves in that don’t forget).
However, there are signs that Puel’s methods are slowly improving. Our fullbacks overlapping looks to have really created more actual goalscoring opportunities in recent weeks, and Barnes has added another dimension. Tielemans may just be the missing link!
So the next two games will be key. If we go back to struggling to break down the opposition in chanceless games, and don’t pick up a win, I’m sorry but in anyone’s book, 1 win in 10 is worthy of replacement. But if we build from the spurs game, put in real good performances and get results, then there’s evidence that we (me included) were too hasty in our judgement.
I worry our squad is divided. Peter Schmeichel’s interview highlighted that there is clear tension between some players and Puel. How big a problem this is I don’t know. But it’s a problem. And it will spread like cancer through the club unless it’s fixed and quickly. You see too many examples of teams “too good to go down” that become discunctional. I worry this could happen.
What is clear is that this is a time where strong leadership is key. If we can’t agree as fans on what we see on the pitch, I’m pretty sure we can all agree we back our ownership for all they’ve done.
Maybe this is time to show Top and King power our appreciation. Top maybe needs to know that we are behind him, even if we can’t agree on the manager.
We can at least come together on that?
posted on 11/2/19
As a Spurs fan I thought Leicester were excellent yesterday and if you keep playing like that you should finish the season very strongly.
Tielemans looks a bit useful.
posted on 11/2/19
“1 win in 10 is worthy of replacement”
Maybe in Italy Mersey but I’d like to think that there’s a wider context to this than that stat alone. As an example, did the owners fire Pearson for doing worse than that and having us bottom of the table throughout most of the 14/15 season?
Based on your stated logic above - they should have sacked him: yet that would have been a huge mistake, one that could have seen us relegated. The owners saw players playing for the manger (same as now) and they saw that the performances were not getting the results we deserved to get. They trusted this would come good. It did
We now have a situation where we are undertaking the biggest overhaul of our playing squad since 2011. The performances in the last few weeks haven’t just slowly improved - it’s been chalk and cheese since West Ham at home (where we were awful)
Let’s hope whoever is leading things behind the scenes can have a more balanced view than some of the fans
posted on 11/2/19
Great thread Appleton, very balanced.
I don’t think we are more divided, it’s normal these days with internet about.
We’re just finely balanced between having an exciting young team or going into a relegation battle, time will tell whether we lost the back bone of those young players in the Summer because they want a better challenge than mid table or they believe in Puel.
As Carragher stated yesterday, he believes we have the best side outside the top 6, time to start showing it.
posted on 11/2/19
The support issue is largely down to Claude. He isn't the most inspirational leader to start with, which doesn't bother me but it doesn't help. We've generally been playing awful boring football at home for a year, I know there are green shoots of improvement but they are yet to fully blossom. He has been far too defensive with his tactics and his team choices and substitutions are frequently bewildering. Add in us being behind for significant parts of games and it doesn't surprise me that the atmosphere is flat.
I'm not saying it should be like this, the fans should get behind the team and we shouldn't have shameful episodes like Ghezzal being booed on to the pitch against United.
King Power finishing with LCFC has been a concern I've had since the tragedy with Vichai, Top would obviously like to continue the success with the club in his father's memory, but he just may have to focus on the KP business which has significant challenges coming up.
posted on 11/2/19
Oh and as I posted on another thread, it's not too late for Claude to turn it around, it will take better performances and results to do this, in particular at home.
posted on 11/2/19
There is no doubt that the current situation of apathy towards our manager has created a quite dreadful atmosphere in the stands. The Man Utd game is the worst atmosphere I can remember for a long time - probably even worse than our Championship relegation season as BS suggests - so maybe as far back as the dark days post MON.
Do I think Puel is the right man? On balance: no.
I do, however, think his job his huge. To transition the team away from the title winning side to a side that can compete consistently in upper mid-table is something that many would fail to achieve. On balance we’re not doing too badly with a young, talented, squad.
My personal view is that’s it’s not as good as many believe, although it’s long term potential might be higher. The danger of investing so heavily in youth is that you never actually reach your destination because the best talent is picked off by other clubs and you lose sight of the here and now. That’s where our recruitment team has failed in terms of bringing in those players with experience. Nobody has patience with a long term plan unless the results on the pitch are good enough to allow someone the space and time to develop it.
So, in some respects, Puel is the right man. He is the man who has history of bringing young players through. He won’t, however, be afforded any time unless the performances consistently improve and his more bizarre team selections aren’t seen as an imperative to this. Starting a team without a striker is either a very brave or very strange decision for a manager under pressure, but there are few places to hide if it goes wrong.
You cannot help but feel that the recent performances have been sufficiently good to allow for some optimism. But performances without points will only delay the inevitable. Puel desperately needs a fluid, creative, winning performance against a team outside the top six. Two and he’d be well away.
However, if the next two games see a couple of turgid, uncreative, uninspiring defeats then I can’t help think that Puel is gone. The atmosphere will be so aggressive and toxic that the environment wouldn’t be conducive to keeping the manager - even if we wanted to.
posted on 11/2/19
The fans have never taken to Puel or his style of football,even when we were bad under Pearson there was always respect for the manager,sadly that seems to have gone now.
I realise our performances have improved,and i know our squad needs changes , but our record under Puel is just not acceptable .We have some very good players who other teams are looking at, but is Puel really getting the best out of them?
Are we in a Mourinho situation?
I think 1 win in 10, together with an embarrassment in the FA cup is not acceptable.
Feel free to argue BS, but try to keep it respectfull if possible !! It is all about opinions after all.
posted on 11/2/19
‘The support issue is largely down to Claude.’
And this right here is the problem. The fans take zero responsibility for doing their part and getting behind the team - even when things are going badly. The king power is like a library right now and it’s pathetic to simply say it’s down to Puel to get a reaction from the fans
I’ll be honest - the support when we were getting relegated from the championship was better because the stadium had in my opinion a hardcore of real Leicester fans that followed this team through thick and thing.
What I think we have now is a section of the attendance that have been spoilt with massive success and are struggling to accept things not going so well.
posted on 11/2/19
I expect expectations are higher than many years for obvious reasons.Yes there are a lot of "new" fans who expect us to win every game (and leave on 40 mins, come back on 50 then again on 80 and wonder why real supporters get annoyed)
But we have so much more quality players now, and for reason they are just not getting the results that they are capable of,and so many games have been dire.
That is why the atmosphere is so flat,total frustration,and the fans cant see where Puel is taking us.
I think that the club is waiting to see what happens at Newcastle.!!
posted on 11/2/19
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 15 minutes ago
The fans have never taken to Puel or his style of football,even when we were bad under Pearson there was always respect for the manager,sadly that seems to have gone now.
I realise our performances have improved,and i know our squad needs changes , but our record under Puel is just not acceptable .We have some very good players who other teams are looking at, but is Puel really getting the best out of them?
Are we in a Mourinho situation?
I think 1 win in 10, together with an embarrassment in the FA cup is not acceptable.
Feel free to argue BS, but try to keep it respectfull if possible !! It is all about opinions after all.
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I haven’t said anything disrespectful on this thread.
posted on 11/2/19
"I haven’t said anything disrespectful on this thread."
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Excellent self restraint!
Keep it going BS
posted on 11/2/19
Sadly BS the quality of your memory is not as good as the quality of some of your postings.
Moron, is not a good turn of phrase to use.Think you are better than that.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 1 minute ago
"I haven’t said anything disrespectful on this thread."
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Excellent self restraint!
Keep it going BS
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That’s definitely progress for me
posted on 11/2/19
comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 1 second ago
Sadly BS the quality of your memory is not as good as the quality of some of your postings.
Moron, is not a good turn of phrase to use.Think you are better than that.
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I haven’t used that term on this thread. If you’re making a wider point about emotive comments made on yesterday’s match thread then fair enough - but that’s not relevant to today’s thread.
You want to pop on to foxes talk some time if you think any of what I say is that bad. It’s absolutely nothing - I don’t regret using the term by the way and I stand by it
posted on 11/2/19
I kept well out of the feed yesterday no collateral damage done
posted on 11/2/19
And this right here is the problem. The fans take zero responsibility for doing their part and getting behind the team - even when things are going badly. The king power is like a library right now and it’s pathetic to simply say it’s down to Puel to get a reaction from the fans
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I have to disagree here BS. Yes the fans need to stand up and take responsibility for their actions.
But the reason the atmosphere is so poor, in my opinion, is because the fans are being given nothing to get behind. It’s a very complex issue and not one that can simply be fixed by someone saying “pull your socks up and sing more yeah”!
The atmosphere at the ground is a result of turgid performances over the last year, a lack of connection between the players and fans, a lack of identity for the club, and a total breakdown in connection between players and fans.
This is the club’s plan, executed under Puel’s guidance. I think Puel has lost the fans and as our leader, he’s lost the atmosphere.
I know you won’t agree with this, but Unfortunately 30,000 people can’t just turn on passion. It has to be created. The manager is responsible for creating that.
Before you say it, I know I’m a moron.
posted on 11/2/19
Do we see the green shoots of youth and quality and get behind the team irrespective of our opinions of CP or has it gone too far now, and there is no way back for him?
If it's the latter then will the division continue until he is gone?
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Armchair waller here-perspective from a rank outsider looking in:
It probably all boils down to this now. One way or t’other. Until yesterday I thought this was likely to be Claude Puel’s last match in charge and he lost again. However, at the same time, he’s gained some credibility-not in sending on Gray as a CF but in the spirited display clearly on show.
It was great to see Barnes, Tielemans and Chilwell advancing with some pace and it looks like City have gained some admirers along the way. Unfortunately, all this grace and flair doesn’t win matches and the club has reached a point where they need to ensure safety for next season. That’s not far off the target but all of a sudden they’re looking over their shoulders.
I’ve altered my stance ever so slightly. Maintain the kind of performance that was on show yesterday for the next 4 or 5 matches, picking up sufficient points along the way to maintain a position of comfort. If that isn’t achieved then off with him at the end of the season.
posted on 11/2/19
Away from the internet and in the real world, I think the biggest issue for a lot of fans has been Puel’s inconsistencies with regard to his formation and tactics rather than the fact we are mid table and not winning games. Whilst our position in the table and run Of results in the New Year isn’t great, I think this is more of a consequence of what was the root of the problem for some fans.
I think the fact that concerns have constantly been raised with regard to lack of coherency in relation to a clear/consistent plan even during better periods of results backs up what is the true nucleus of the problem. In fact as has been stated, there are positives in relation to youth and potential to build on foundations of previous success and some of this is definitely down to Puel.
However, it’s the constant glimmer of light that is then dashed away by another weird tactical decision or formation choice.
I again, see shards of optimism after some recent games but also worry these will again be cast into darkness or at least uncertainty.
Unfortunately, I think this has gone on for so long that it has made some fans so fed that they are becoming much more inflexible with Puel - and to be fair, probably a little blind-sided to some of the potential that is there (although how long we accept it being ‘potential’ is up for debate and more importantly, how long we accept what some feel is detrimental decisions to prevent progress in the short term <there is still long term changes to be made, but there is nothing more infuriating that not even playing the best 11 you have available let along trying to improve it>
I think also unfortunately, the length of time this has been going on has meant that reflection on what a lot of Leicester fans are annoyed at has become diluted and even misrepresented - in the media, from opposition fans and now perhaps amongst our own fan base ( although this is ALOT more fractioned and over the top on here than most footballing conversations in real life.
And even more unfortunate is that we probably are in a position now where opinions are set from some, both in terms of Puel (for good or for bad) and why people may have had enough. It’s all become very black and white (which it isn’t) and actually, in terms of conversations on here almost enforced in relation to what your view must be and what your view is based on. The opposite of a forum and debate really.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 7 hours, 29 minutes ago
And this right here is the problem. The fans take zero responsibility for doing their part and getting behind the team - even when things are going badly. The king power is like a library right now and it’s pathetic to simply say it’s down to Puel to get a reaction from the fans
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I have to disagree here BS. Yes the fans need to stand up and take responsibility for their actions.
But the reason the atmosphere is so poor, in my opinion, is because the fans are being given nothing to get behind. It’s a very complex issue and not one that can simply be fixed by someone saying “pull your socks up and sing more yeah”!
The atmosphere at the ground is a result of turgid performances over the last year, a lack of connection between the players and fans, a lack of identity for the club, and a total breakdown in connection between players and fans.
This is the club’s plan, executed under Puel’s guidance. I think Puel has lost the fans and as our leader, he’s lost the atmosphere.
I know you won’t agree with this, but Unfortunately 30,000 people can’t just turn on passion. It has to be created. The manager is responsible for creating that.
Before you say it, I know I’m a moron.
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I wouldn’t call you a moron for expressing your opinion. That’s your opinion - I can see some logic in it. I might say someone is a moron if they are unwilling to listen to the other side of the debate and continually stipulate things that factually aren’t true.
Or perhaps someone who is willing to give Puel til the end of the season one week and then declares that he wants him out the next, simply based on his team selection.
posted on 11/2/19
By the way Mersey I just checked and I didn’t call you a moron yesterday That was MILBC. You can’t even get insulted correctly......
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