I don't have a problem with Young staying another year. Never really lets us down, sets a good example to the younger lads and I think we need his experience right now.
Defo need to move on after that year though!
happy with this, great professional, experience and a good backup player. Always need to have players like this who can cover a few positions and do a good job.
Glad to see we sorting out everyone's contracts finally. Next up De Gea & Herrera!
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't have a problem with Young staying another year. Never really lets us down, sets a good example to the younger lads and I think we need his experience right now.
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I agree with this.
He does let us down when it comes to crossing, the lad can't beat the first man whatsoever. Not too fussed about him extending his contract, but a sad future if we do not buy reinforcements and have to depend on Young and Jones moving forward
I understand the benefits having someone like Young behind the scenes. But I dont think he has been good enough for us for the majority of the time he has been at the club.
He isn't good defensively and his end product going forward is poor too. At best he should be back up and we should be looking to bring in a proper right back to provide competition for Dalot in the future.
We should be shipping out Valencia if Young is being kept on.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 57 seconds ago
I understand the benefits having someone like Young behind the scenes. But I dont think he has been good enough for us for the majority of the time he has been at the club.
He isn't good defensively and his end product going forward is poor too. At best he should be back up and we should be looking to bring in a proper right back to provide competition for Dalot in the future.
We should be shipping out Valencia if Young is being kept on.
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Yes, I would certainly want him to be back up rather than a starter.
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
If there was half a dozen fullbacks getting a dozen assists a season from crossing the ball in then i'd consider it a valid point, but I don't think Valencia and Shaw are any less effective than their contemporaries.
Bear in mind tying up players to new contracts doesn't mean they can't be moved on.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
If there was half a dozen fullbacks getting a dozen assists a season from crossing the ball in then i'd consider it a valid point, but I don't think Valencia and Shaw are any less effective than their contemporaries.
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Marcelo. Alaba.Dani Alves. These guys have all been integral in their teams winning major trophies in recent times, or competing at the least. The emphasis on crossing and attacking is there for a reason
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 minutes ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
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Currently 5th in the highest number of crosses per team this season.
I think with your FBs, assuming they player most games, you'd want 5+ assists per season from them in the league.
As a back up he is fine. Can cover many positions and wouldn't make a fuss when he isn't playing.
We also have Dalot other young players in the side who will need sorting as well as bringing in a new RB.
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
As a back up he is fine. Can cover many positions and wouldn't make a fuss when he isn't playing.
We also have Dalot other young players in the side who will need sorting as well as bringing in a new RB.
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I am really interested to see what Ole with do with TFM. He might just let him and Dalot fight it out for the RB spot with Young acting as cover.
I have a feeling it's curtains for Valencia. This season has been a nightmare for him. So, we could certainly do with Young's experience. Also, his versatility as he can cover on either side. He's a better option that Darmian for sure.
Imagine you are a promising twelve year old winger. Your coaches encourage you to develop your obvious natural skills. You progress. You begin to make a name for yourself. Coaches single you out for intensive training that plays to your strengths. You break into the senior squad and people start to take notice. You excel at times, at others times you don't. But you are young and you are still learning your trade. Your coaches trust you. You learn to trust your own skills and try to improve your reading of the game.
Then some assh*le decides to play you as a right back. The fans slaughter you. They want you moved on.
Sheesh.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
If there was half a dozen fullbacks getting a dozen assists a season from crossing the ball in then i'd consider it a valid point, but I don't think Valencia and Shaw are any less effective than their contemporaries.
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Marcelo. Alaba.Dani Alves. These guys have all been integral in their teams winning major trophies in recent times, or competing at the least. The emphasis on crossing and attacking is there for a reason
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So you name drop the 3 best attacking fullbacks in the world and wonder why our boys aren't racking up the same stats?
That's logical...
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 minutes ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
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Currently 5th in the highest number of crosses per team this season.
I think with your FBs, assuming they player most games, you'd want 5+ assists per season from them in the league.
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We're a top 6 team, so naturally we will be amongst the top crossing teams because we attack more than most (especially recently), but in a general sense we aren't a team that relies on crossing, nor do we put much emphasis on crossing in the traditional sense. The focus of our attacks is generally balls in behind from central positions.
5 league assists from each full back isn't an unreasonable target, but I would say it's also not entirely likely - very few teams this season will have both full backs achieving 5 assists. There's only three or four full backs with 5 or more assists this season, and none of them play for the same team.
Even City's fullbacks only have 6 between them this season, and 5 of them are Mendy who had an exceptional start to the season (didn't he get three in one game?)
Luke Shaw has as many assists as Kyle Walker this season, and I think most would call Walker an attacking full back.
Shaw should have had another assist last week as well. Rashers missed a sitter.
Very pleased with Shaw this season. Jose's only constructive out put.
No problem with any player earning a year extension based on performances. I still hope that we look to see if there are better options elsewhere over the summer though, whether that's in the transfer market or players we have already at the squad.
No need to keep Valencia anymore though.
As fans we're guilty of not understanding things behind the scenes and the importance some players can have. Most forums or posts from fans of all clubs generally want a clear out, the term 'deadwood' is very common and we don't really think about the repurcussions of player treatment.
Young seems to be someone who, while not the top level in the position he is filling in, is a responsible and experienced member of the dressing room and seemingly willing to carry out instructions given to him. The benefit of having him around, his impact on the dressing room and attitude etc along with being a good enough option in terms of being a squad player, seems to make him valuable to multiple managers.
We see a snippet of the employee and are generally fickle and emotional with our evaluations of them.
I'd keep him around for another year. Probably a good influence on younger players, works hard, is a capable player, particularly against lower half opposition and someone who seems willing to be rotated. That sort of player is important for the squad.
He’s a good professional so no wonder he’s being kept on extra season.
Need that kind of squad evolution to bridge the gaps.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
If there was half a dozen fullbacks getting a dozen assists a season from crossing the ball in then i'd consider it a valid point, but I don't think Valencia and Shaw are any less effective than their contemporaries.
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Marcelo. Alaba.Dani Alves. These guys have all been integral in their teams winning major trophies in recent times, or competing at the least. The emphasis on crossing and attacking is there for a reason
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you name drop the 3 best attacking fullbacks in the world and wonder why our boys aren't racking up the same stats?
That's logical...
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Manchester United fan aspiring for us to have players to challenge with the best. How logical of me eh.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 minutes ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
---------------------
Currently 5th in the highest number of crosses per team this season.
I think with your FBs, assuming they player most games, you'd want 5+ assists per season from them in the league.
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We're a top 6 team, so naturally we will be amongst the top crossing teams because we attack more than most (especially recently), but in a general sense we aren't a team that relies on crossing, nor do we put much emphasis on crossing in the traditional sense. The focus of our attacks is generally balls in behind from central positions.
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Everton, Leicester, Huddersfield and City are above us. Arsenal at in 20th spot. Spurs in 10th spot. To say that we aren't a team that crosses a lot is inaccurate.
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
5 league assists from each full back isn't an unreasonable target, but I would say it's also not entirely likely - very few teams this season will have both full backs achieving 5 assists. There's only three or four full backs with 5 or more assists this season, and none of them play for the same team.
Even City's fullbacks only have 6 between them this season, and 5 of them are Mendy who had an exceptional start to the season (didn't he get three in one game?)
Luke Shaw has as many assists as Kyle Walker this season, and I think most would call Walker an attacking full back.
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There are still 12 games to go in the PL. With our resources, we should be looking as competing with the best in the league and that includes fullbacks that can deliver a decent cross.
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks.
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Well there is for us yes considering our attack is usually quite narrow so therefore doesn't offer much of a threat from crosses out wide so there will be more emphasis on the full-backs to provide quality from wide areas, something they're not very good at compared to quite a few other full-backs in the league and I don't need stats to see that. It's evident in the difference in quality of delivery.
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There's only three or four full backs with 5 or more assists this season, and none of them play for the same team.
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By my count there's Bellerin, Kolasinac, Alonso, Pereira, Robertson, Mendy, Trippier, Holebas and Doherty who have 5 league assists or more currently. This is according to Fantasy Premier League.
The stats themselves though don't show what exactly the assist was or the quality of it so I wouldn't rely on them too much anyway.
Regarding the OP, I don't have a problem with Young staying, as long as he's not first choice because we do need better, much better.
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posted on 11/2/19
I don't have a problem with Young staying another year. Never really lets us down, sets a good example to the younger lads and I think we need his experience right now.
posted on 11/2/19
Defo need to move on after that year though!
posted on 11/2/19
happy with this, great professional, experience and a good backup player. Always need to have players like this who can cover a few positions and do a good job.
Glad to see we sorting out everyone's contracts finally. Next up De Gea & Herrera!
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
I don't have a problem with Young staying another year. Never really lets us down, sets a good example to the younger lads and I think we need his experience right now.
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I agree with this.
posted on 11/2/19
He does let us down when it comes to crossing, the lad can't beat the first man whatsoever. Not too fussed about him extending his contract, but a sad future if we do not buy reinforcements and have to depend on Young and Jones moving forward
posted on 11/2/19
I understand the benefits having someone like Young behind the scenes. But I dont think he has been good enough for us for the majority of the time he has been at the club.
He isn't good defensively and his end product going forward is poor too. At best he should be back up and we should be looking to bring in a proper right back to provide competition for Dalot in the future.
We should be shipping out Valencia if Young is being kept on.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 57 seconds ago
I understand the benefits having someone like Young behind the scenes. But I dont think he has been good enough for us for the majority of the time he has been at the club.
He isn't good defensively and his end product going forward is poor too. At best he should be back up and we should be looking to bring in a proper right back to provide competition for Dalot in the future.
We should be shipping out Valencia if Young is being kept on.
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Yes, I would certainly want him to be back up rather than a starter.
posted on 11/2/19
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
If there was half a dozen fullbacks getting a dozen assists a season from crossing the ball in then i'd consider it a valid point, but I don't think Valencia and Shaw are any less effective than their contemporaries.
posted on 11/2/19
Bear in mind tying up players to new contracts doesn't mean they can't be moved on.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
If there was half a dozen fullbacks getting a dozen assists a season from crossing the ball in then i'd consider it a valid point, but I don't think Valencia and Shaw are any less effective than their contemporaries.
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Marcelo. Alaba.Dani Alves. These guys have all been integral in their teams winning major trophies in recent times, or competing at the least. The emphasis on crossing and attacking is there for a reason
posted on 11/2/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 minutes ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
---------------------
Currently 5th in the highest number of crosses per team this season.
I think with your FBs, assuming they player most games, you'd want 5+ assists per season from them in the league.
posted on 11/2/19
As a back up he is fine. Can cover many positions and wouldn't make a fuss when he isn't playing.
We also have Dalot other young players in the side who will need sorting as well as bringing in a new RB.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
As a back up he is fine. Can cover many positions and wouldn't make a fuss when he isn't playing.
We also have Dalot other young players in the side who will need sorting as well as bringing in a new RB.
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I am really interested to see what Ole with do with TFM. He might just let him and Dalot fight it out for the RB spot with Young acting as cover.
posted on 11/2/19
I have a feeling it's curtains for Valencia. This season has been a nightmare for him. So, we could certainly do with Young's experience. Also, his versatility as he can cover on either side. He's a better option that Darmian for sure.
posted on 11/2/19
Imagine you are a promising twelve year old winger. Your coaches encourage you to develop your obvious natural skills. You progress. You begin to make a name for yourself. Coaches single you out for intensive training that plays to your strengths. You break into the senior squad and people start to take notice. You excel at times, at others times you don't. But you are young and you are still learning your trade. Your coaches trust you. You learn to trust your own skills and try to improve your reading of the game.
Then some assh*le decides to play you as a right back. The fans slaughter you. They want you moved on.
Sheesh.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
If there was half a dozen fullbacks getting a dozen assists a season from crossing the ball in then i'd consider it a valid point, but I don't think Valencia and Shaw are any less effective than their contemporaries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Marcelo. Alaba.Dani Alves. These guys have all been integral in their teams winning major trophies in recent times, or competing at the least. The emphasis on crossing and attacking is there for a reason
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you name drop the 3 best attacking fullbacks in the world and wonder why our boys aren't racking up the same stats?
That's logical...
posted on 11/2/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 minutes ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
---------------------
Currently 5th in the highest number of crosses per team this season.
I think with your FBs, assuming they player most games, you'd want 5+ assists per season from them in the league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We're a top 6 team, so naturally we will be amongst the top crossing teams because we attack more than most (especially recently), but in a general sense we aren't a team that relies on crossing, nor do we put much emphasis on crossing in the traditional sense. The focus of our attacks is generally balls in behind from central positions.
5 league assists from each full back isn't an unreasonable target, but I would say it's also not entirely likely - very few teams this season will have both full backs achieving 5 assists. There's only three or four full backs with 5 or more assists this season, and none of them play for the same team.
Even City's fullbacks only have 6 between them this season, and 5 of them are Mendy who had an exceptional start to the season (didn't he get three in one game?)
Luke Shaw has as many assists as Kyle Walker this season, and I think most would call Walker an attacking full back.
posted on 11/2/19
Shaw should have had another assist last week as well. Rashers missed a sitter.
Very pleased with Shaw this season. Jose's only constructive out put.
posted on 11/2/19
No problem with any player earning a year extension based on performances. I still hope that we look to see if there are better options elsewhere over the summer though, whether that's in the transfer market or players we have already at the squad.
No need to keep Valencia anymore though.
posted on 11/2/19
As fans we're guilty of not understanding things behind the scenes and the importance some players can have. Most forums or posts from fans of all clubs generally want a clear out, the term 'deadwood' is very common and we don't really think about the repurcussions of player treatment.
Young seems to be someone who, while not the top level in the position he is filling in, is a responsible and experienced member of the dressing room and seemingly willing to carry out instructions given to him. The benefit of having him around, his impact on the dressing room and attitude etc along with being a good enough option in terms of being a squad player, seems to make him valuable to multiple managers.
We see a snippet of the employee and are generally fickle and emotional with our evaluations of them.
I'd keep him around for another year. Probably a good influence on younger players, works hard, is a capable player, particularly against lower half opposition and someone who seems willing to be rotated. That sort of player is important for the squad.
posted on 11/2/19
He’s a good professional so no wonder he’s being kept on extra season.
Need that kind of squad evolution to bridge the gaps.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
If there was half a dozen fullbacks getting a dozen assists a season from crossing the ball in then i'd consider it a valid point, but I don't think Valencia and Shaw are any less effective than their contemporaries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Marcelo. Alaba.Dani Alves. These guys have all been integral in their teams winning major trophies in recent times, or competing at the least. The emphasis on crossing and attacking is there for a reason
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you name drop the 3 best attacking fullbacks in the world and wonder why our boys aren't racking up the same stats?
That's logical...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Manchester United fan aspiring for us to have players to challenge with the best. How logical of me eh.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 7 minutes ago
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks. We don't actually cross the ball that much for a start, and in general our full backs are as involved in the attacking play as any fullback in the league.
---------------------
Currently 5th in the highest number of crosses per team this season.
I think with your FBs, assuming they player most games, you'd want 5+ assists per season from them in the league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We're a top 6 team, so naturally we will be amongst the top crossing teams because we attack more than most (especially recently), but in a general sense we aren't a team that relies on crossing, nor do we put much emphasis on crossing in the traditional sense. The focus of our attacks is generally balls in behind from central positions.
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Everton, Leicester, Huddersfield and City are above us. Arsenal at in 20th spot. Spurs in 10th spot. To say that we aren't a team that crosses a lot is inaccurate.
posted on 11/2/19
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
5 league assists from each full back isn't an unreasonable target, but I would say it's also not entirely likely - very few teams this season will have both full backs achieving 5 assists. There's only three or four full backs with 5 or more assists this season, and none of them play for the same team.
Even City's fullbacks only have 6 between them this season, and 5 of them are Mendy who had an exceptional start to the season (didn't he get three in one game?)
Luke Shaw has as many assists as Kyle Walker this season, and I think most would call Walker an attacking full back.
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There are still 12 games to go in the PL. With our resources, we should be looking as competing with the best in the league and that includes fullbacks that can deliver a decent cross.
posted on 11/2/19
There's too much emphasis put on the crossing ability of fullbacks.
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Well there is for us yes considering our attack is usually quite narrow so therefore doesn't offer much of a threat from crosses out wide so there will be more emphasis on the full-backs to provide quality from wide areas, something they're not very good at compared to quite a few other full-backs in the league and I don't need stats to see that. It's evident in the difference in quality of delivery.
-----------------------------------------------
There's only three or four full backs with 5 or more assists this season, and none of them play for the same team.
-------------------------------------------------
By my count there's Bellerin, Kolasinac, Alonso, Pereira, Robertson, Mendy, Trippier, Holebas and Doherty who have 5 league assists or more currently. This is according to Fantasy Premier League.
The stats themselves though don't show what exactly the assist was or the quality of it so I wouldn't rely on them too much anyway.
Regarding the OP, I don't have a problem with Young staying, as long as he's not first choice because we do need better, much better.
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