comment by Scott Wright (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
global warming is a myth created by lesbians/feminists to try and gain power over us men if global warming is real then how come it is colder today then it was yesterday and even last week was warmer explain that one brainboxes all pc gone mad trying to control us and take away are manliness
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Morning Barry.
You are, of course, absolutely correct, and this is a liberal metropolitan elite ruse designed only to save the foxes.
Smart people:
"Let's not breed"
Stupid people:
"Let's breed more"
Evolution: "WTF guys??"
comment by The artist formerly known as Joe
Aw the wee africans need to stop procreating for a start though
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Once theres an actual crisis.. something will be done..
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You might want to research the climate change tipping point a little. If true, and if it happened, then there would be very little we could do.
This goes with a number of other environmental issues.. Eg, once a reef is destroyed, you can't easily just create the conditions for it to grow back again. Nature doesn't work like that.
btw Rosso, i had a lovely vegan meal at your sister's (?) restaurant in Sagres... Red thai curry, one of the best I ever had.
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
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You mean besides China, which is top and India, which is fourth?
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Per capita, India and China don't have anywhere near the same footprint as in the West but I take your point, it's not just the West that are heavy polluters
Go diesel it's better all round, few years later, don't go diesel it's worse
Stop using gas to hear your homes, okay I'll install a log burner at great cost, few years later, were banning the use of log burners
I'll do anything I can to help apart from cutting out meat or getting public transport.
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 59 seconds ago
Go diesel it's better all round, few years later, don't go diesel it's worse
Stop using gas to hear your homes, okay I'll install a log burner at great cost, few years later, were banning the use of log burners
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In 10 years they'll be saying electric cars are unsustainable.
Too many bikes and buses clogging up the city centre roads. If the people who cycled and got buses just worked a bit harder then they'd be able to afford a car and drive instead and the cities would not be clogged up with bikes and buses.
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 5 minutes ago
Though not the only reason, me and my wife have decided not to have kids and over population is certainly one of the key reasons. I also think the world is going to change very rapidly in our life, let alone the life of any children we brought into the world.
I kind of have to distract myself to not fall into a pit of despair about it all. Just yesterday I was reading that butterfly numbers are down 58% in the last 9 years... NINE years!
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I've spoken to and otherwise heard about quite a lot of people who have decided not to have kids, for various reasons. My wife and I aren't planning on having any.
That's a choice that many (at least think they) have in the developed and affluent West, where people enjoy the luxuries of pension funds, unlockable capital in properties, social care, state provision of healthcare, etc.
In developing (and flat poor, because not everywhere is developing) parts of the world, people will see that they'll need to have children to support them in their retirements or in case of ill health unless, of course, we see more serious investment in lifting Africa and large parts of Asia and South America out of poverty.
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It's a pretty small % of people that have kids as some kind of safety net for when they're older. The reason developing countries have so many is simply due to a religious belief that means birth control isn't an option, or birth control simply not being an option full stop.
I personally find it baffling why anyone wouldn't want children. I obviously completely respect peoples rights on whatever they choose, just cannot imagine being in a place where you didn't want kids.
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Although you are correct to say religious beliefs and coercion and lack of access to and information about contraceptives can also be factors, you're wrong about it being a small proportion of people in the developing world having multiple children due to financial concerns. It's a majority.
Here's an interesting brief and high level read.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2009/10/29/falling-fertility
It's wrong on one point, though. It says there are three ways to address an escalating human footprint: population control, technology and regulation. We actually need all three, but there is a fourth.
The market.
The nature of supply is dictated by demand. We have the absolute power as individuals to say no to any or all of petrol cars, more powerful vacuum cleaners, beef, intercontinental flight, cotton clothing, and air conditioning.
No government or corporation can force us to buy a Volkswagen, Dyson or Aberdeen Angus steak, holiday in the Canaries, or turn the AC on.
One redeeming factor of free market capitalism is that the power - and actually the responsibility - is in our hands.
Meat alternatives?...what? Like McDonalds and stuff?
Had a health scare 2017, as a result cut out most of meat intake, didn’t struggle at all and haven’t missed it in the slightest.
If only nicotine was so easy........
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 18 minutes ago
btw Rosso, i had a lovely vegan meal at your sister's (?) restaurant in Sagres... Red thai curry, one of the best I ever had.
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Which restaurant Ji?
(I don't have a sister or any other family member that owns a restaurant btw. I am merely a humble part-time bartender and waiter )
To me at least, the current acceptance/theory (excuse for not looking at some sort of intervention) that it will all level off around 2100 is horribly flawed.
To get to that stage all developing nations will need to go through their own economic, technological and medical revolution which means they go from tiny carbon footprints to what we have in the developed world.
We have absolutely no idea how the planet will be able to handle that level of developed human population.
Well actually I can guess, there would be absolutely no hope.
At the end of the day though, we are all hypocrites when it comes to the environment. I am vegan and don't have kids, recycle, yada yada... Yet i'll get on a plane to go and slide down a mountain on a board made of various petro-chemicals. It is very hard not to want to enjoy the trapping of modern life.
Most of us here have grown up living like kings of the past, even the poorest of us. We are used to having warm homes, hot meals, electricity on tap, hot and cold water, transport, free education, free healthcare, food from the far reaches of the planet etc
We were also born into an era of humanism where we are told that anything is possible for us. No matter who you are. This makes us all want to chase our individual dreams. We travel, we go on holidays, we have luxury and entertainment that is more or less seen as a human right.
Very, very little will change while there is just a threat of climate change, or some low impact effects like floods and fires, or some stats about animals that we forget by the time the football comes on.
Only when it is affecting everyone's life will we take notice.
Also, if you visit Sagres again and we don't go surfing, I am going to be seriously pessed with you.
I really mean it this time
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 18 minutes ago
btw Rosso, i had a lovely vegan meal at your sister's (?) restaurant in Sagres... Red thai curry, one of the best I ever had.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which restaurant Ji?
(I don't have a sister or any other family member that owns a restaurant btw. I am merely a humble part-time bartender and waiter)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ahh, i thought I remembered you saying you were working at your sister's place.
It was behind the dromedario, in the corner. pizza place.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 5 seconds ago
At the end of the day though, we are all hypocrites when it comes to the environment. I am vegan and don't have kids, recycle, yada yada... Yet i'll get on a plane to go and slide down a mountain on a board made of various petro-chemicals. It is very hard not to want to enjoy the trapping of modern life.
Most of us here have grown up living like kings of the past, even the poorest of us. We are used to having warm homes, hot meals, electricity on tap, hot and cold water, transport, free education, free healthcare, food from the far reaches of the planet etc
We were also born into an era of humanism where we are told that anything is possible for us. No matter who you are. This makes us all want to chase our individual dreams. We travel, we go on holidays, we have luxury and entertainment that is more or less seen as a human right.
Very, very little will change while there is just a threat of climate change, or some low impact effects like floods and fires, or some stats about animals that we forget by the time the football comes on.
Only when it is affecting everyone's life will we take notice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, agree with this.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 24 minutes ago
Once theres an actual crisis.. something will be done..
---------------------
You might want to research the climate change tipping point a little. If true, and if it happened, then there would be very little we could do.
This goes with a number of other environmental issues.. Eg, once a reef is destroyed, you can't easily just create the conditions for it to grow back again. Nature doesn't work like that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If somebody said 100 years ago wed be able to land a rocket on mars or get everything in world history ever on a device on our phones or that we could have electric cars
Never doubt the possibility of things we dont know we dont know yet
If the science is correct then we are almost at the tipping point. The Green New Deal proposed by democrats in the House, is ambitious but the main reason it will probably never pass, is the moneyed interests within the US political system.
Having 100% clean renewable energy is a no brainer, as eventually the oil will run out. The idea that profits of oil companies etc trumps that is so depressing
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 1 second ago
Also, if you visit Sagres again and we don't go surfing, I am going to be seriously pessed with you.
I really mean it this time
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I'm more or less retired from the surf game... Got hit by a 15fter straight into the rocks in carrapeteira and it shook me hard. I've only really been out in the mellow stuff in praia da rocha since then, just long boarding and bodyboarding.
Now i'm focused on snowboarding... More control over nature (other than avalanches!)
comment by Scott Wright (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
Too many bikes and buses clogging up the city centre roads. If the people who cycled and got buses just worked a bit harder then they'd be able to afford a car and drive instead and the cities would not be clogged up with bikes and buses.
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I actually heard something the other week that the cycle lanes in our cities cause more pollution, as the reduction in available road space for cars means more traffic jams. Therefore car engines are running for longer.
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posted on 12/2/19
comment by Scott Wright (U1734)
posted 5 minutes ago
global warming is a myth created by lesbians/feminists to try and gain power over us men if global warming is real then how come it is colder today then it was yesterday and even last week was warmer explain that one brainboxes all pc gone mad trying to control us and take away are manliness
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Morning Barry.
You are, of course, absolutely correct, and this is a liberal metropolitan elite ruse designed only to save the foxes.
posted on 12/2/19
Smart people:
"Let's not breed"
Stupid people:
"Let's breed more"
Evolution: "WTF guys??"
posted on 12/2/19
comment by The artist formerly known as Joe
Aw the wee africans need to stop procreating for a start though
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 12/2/19
Once theres an actual crisis.. something will be done..
---------------------
You might want to research the climate change tipping point a little. If true, and if it happened, then there would be very little we could do.
This goes with a number of other environmental issues.. Eg, once a reef is destroyed, you can't easily just create the conditions for it to grow back again. Nature doesn't work like that.
posted on 12/2/19
btw Rosso, i had a lovely vegan meal at your sister's (?) restaurant in Sagres... Red thai curry, one of the best I ever had.
posted on 12/2/19
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
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You mean besides China, which is top and India, which is fourth?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Per capita, India and China don't have anywhere near the same footprint as in the West but I take your point, it's not just the West that are heavy polluters
posted on 12/2/19
Go diesel it's better all round, few years later, don't go diesel it's worse
Stop using gas to hear your homes, okay I'll install a log burner at great cost, few years later, were banning the use of log burners
posted on 12/2/19
Heat your homes^^
posted on 12/2/19
How about don't drive?
posted on 12/2/19
I'll do anything I can to help apart from cutting out meat or getting public transport.
posted on 12/2/19
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 59 seconds ago
Go diesel it's better all round, few years later, don't go diesel it's worse
Stop using gas to hear your homes, okay I'll install a log burner at great cost, few years later, were banning the use of log burners
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In 10 years they'll be saying electric cars are unsustainable.
posted on 12/2/19
Too many bikes and buses clogging up the city centre roads. If the people who cycled and got buses just worked a bit harder then they'd be able to afford a car and drive instead and the cities would not be clogged up with bikes and buses.
posted on 12/2/19
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 5 minutes ago
Though not the only reason, me and my wife have decided not to have kids and over population is certainly one of the key reasons. I also think the world is going to change very rapidly in our life, let alone the life of any children we brought into the world.
I kind of have to distract myself to not fall into a pit of despair about it all. Just yesterday I was reading that butterfly numbers are down 58% in the last 9 years... NINE years!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've spoken to and otherwise heard about quite a lot of people who have decided not to have kids, for various reasons. My wife and I aren't planning on having any.
That's a choice that many (at least think they) have in the developed and affluent West, where people enjoy the luxuries of pension funds, unlockable capital in properties, social care, state provision of healthcare, etc.
In developing (and flat poor, because not everywhere is developing) parts of the world, people will see that they'll need to have children to support them in their retirements or in case of ill health unless, of course, we see more serious investment in lifting Africa and large parts of Asia and South America out of poverty.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's a pretty small % of people that have kids as some kind of safety net for when they're older. The reason developing countries have so many is simply due to a religious belief that means birth control isn't an option, or birth control simply not being an option full stop.
I personally find it baffling why anyone wouldn't want children. I obviously completely respect peoples rights on whatever they choose, just cannot imagine being in a place where you didn't want kids.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Although you are correct to say religious beliefs and coercion and lack of access to and information about contraceptives can also be factors, you're wrong about it being a small proportion of people in the developing world having multiple children due to financial concerns. It's a majority.
Here's an interesting brief and high level read.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2009/10/29/falling-fertility
It's wrong on one point, though. It says there are three ways to address an escalating human footprint: population control, technology and regulation. We actually need all three, but there is a fourth.
The market.
The nature of supply is dictated by demand. We have the absolute power as individuals to say no to any or all of petrol cars, more powerful vacuum cleaners, beef, intercontinental flight, cotton clothing, and air conditioning.
No government or corporation can force us to buy a Volkswagen, Dyson or Aberdeen Angus steak, holiday in the Canaries, or turn the AC on.
One redeeming factor of free market capitalism is that the power - and actually the responsibility - is in our hands.
posted on 12/2/19
Meat alternatives?...what? Like McDonalds and stuff?
posted on 12/2/19
Had a health scare 2017, as a result cut out most of meat intake, didn’t struggle at all and haven’t missed it in the slightest.
If only nicotine was so easy........
posted on 12/2/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 18 minutes ago
btw Rosso, i had a lovely vegan meal at your sister's (?) restaurant in Sagres... Red thai curry, one of the best I ever had.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which restaurant Ji?
(I don't have a sister or any other family member that owns a restaurant btw. I am merely a humble part-time bartender and waiter )
posted on 12/2/19
To me at least, the current acceptance/theory (excuse for not looking at some sort of intervention) that it will all level off around 2100 is horribly flawed.
To get to that stage all developing nations will need to go through their own economic, technological and medical revolution which means they go from tiny carbon footprints to what we have in the developed world.
We have absolutely no idea how the planet will be able to handle that level of developed human population.
Well actually I can guess, there would be absolutely no hope.
posted on 12/2/19
At the end of the day though, we are all hypocrites when it comes to the environment. I am vegan and don't have kids, recycle, yada yada... Yet i'll get on a plane to go and slide down a mountain on a board made of various petro-chemicals. It is very hard not to want to enjoy the trapping of modern life.
Most of us here have grown up living like kings of the past, even the poorest of us. We are used to having warm homes, hot meals, electricity on tap, hot and cold water, transport, free education, free healthcare, food from the far reaches of the planet etc
We were also born into an era of humanism where we are told that anything is possible for us. No matter who you are. This makes us all want to chase our individual dreams. We travel, we go on holidays, we have luxury and entertainment that is more or less seen as a human right.
Very, very little will change while there is just a threat of climate change, or some low impact effects like floods and fires, or some stats about animals that we forget by the time the football comes on.
Only when it is affecting everyone's life will we take notice.
posted on 12/2/19
Also, if you visit Sagres again and we don't go surfing, I am going to be seriously pessed with you.
I really mean it this time
posted on 12/2/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 18 minutes ago
btw Rosso, i had a lovely vegan meal at your sister's (?) restaurant in Sagres... Red thai curry, one of the best I ever had.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which restaurant Ji?
(I don't have a sister or any other family member that owns a restaurant btw. I am merely a humble part-time bartender and waiter)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ahh, i thought I remembered you saying you were working at your sister's place.
It was behind the dromedario, in the corner. pizza place.
posted on 12/2/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 5 seconds ago
At the end of the day though, we are all hypocrites when it comes to the environment. I am vegan and don't have kids, recycle, yada yada... Yet i'll get on a plane to go and slide down a mountain on a board made of various petro-chemicals. It is very hard not to want to enjoy the trapping of modern life.
Most of us here have grown up living like kings of the past, even the poorest of us. We are used to having warm homes, hot meals, electricity on tap, hot and cold water, transport, free education, free healthcare, food from the far reaches of the planet etc
We were also born into an era of humanism where we are told that anything is possible for us. No matter who you are. This makes us all want to chase our individual dreams. We travel, we go on holidays, we have luxury and entertainment that is more or less seen as a human right.
Very, very little will change while there is just a threat of climate change, or some low impact effects like floods and fires, or some stats about animals that we forget by the time the football comes on.
Only when it is affecting everyone's life will we take notice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, agree with this.
posted on 12/2/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 24 minutes ago
Once theres an actual crisis.. something will be done..
---------------------
You might want to research the climate change tipping point a little. If true, and if it happened, then there would be very little we could do.
This goes with a number of other environmental issues.. Eg, once a reef is destroyed, you can't easily just create the conditions for it to grow back again. Nature doesn't work like that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If somebody said 100 years ago wed be able to land a rocket on mars or get everything in world history ever on a device on our phones or that we could have electric cars
Never doubt the possibility of things we dont know we dont know yet
posted on 12/2/19
If the science is correct then we are almost at the tipping point. The Green New Deal proposed by democrats in the House, is ambitious but the main reason it will probably never pass, is the moneyed interests within the US political system.
Having 100% clean renewable energy is a no brainer, as eventually the oil will run out. The idea that profits of oil companies etc trumps that is so depressing
posted on 12/2/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 1 second ago
Also, if you visit Sagres again and we don't go surfing, I am going to be seriously pessed with you.
I really mean it this time
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm more or less retired from the surf game... Got hit by a 15fter straight into the rocks in carrapeteira and it shook me hard. I've only really been out in the mellow stuff in praia da rocha since then, just long boarding and bodyboarding.
Now i'm focused on snowboarding... More control over nature (other than avalanches!)
posted on 12/2/19
comment by Scott Wright (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
Too many bikes and buses clogging up the city centre roads. If the people who cycled and got buses just worked a bit harder then they'd be able to afford a car and drive instead and the cities would not be clogged up with bikes and buses.
----------------
I actually heard something the other week that the cycle lanes in our cities cause more pollution, as the reduction in available road space for cars means more traffic jams. Therefore car engines are running for longer.
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