comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 9 minutes ago
She tried to raise children in the middle of a terrorist group in land that wasn’t theirs, hardly doing all she can.
She’s culpable.
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As I have said, she has some responsibility in that she opted to go over there. However, you are making a lot of assumptions without knowing all of the facts. She might not have been able to get away from her husband until he was captured? Now maybe she does have the option of getting away and trying to get back to the UK?
I still don't want her back in the country though.
She made her bed she can lie in it.
She’s showed no remorse in her interview we really want someone like that using the tax payer as way to live.
Legally, the UK May have to take her back?
However, she has not disowned Isis and her friend is with them still....other mate died in a bombing raid.
When asked about the conflict and she brought up the head in a bin...few reports elaborated as she said he was an "enemy of islam".
Her family beg for mercy while a quick search shows dad at an Islamist extremist rally with Isis flags and union flag burning.
On leaving East London Begun married a Dutch convert at 15 so she was in that world voluntarily for years and now wants the infidel to save her from reality.
If we are bound by liberal and legal guidelines so be it.
But even the liberals and left leaning guys here do not want her and her comrades back...she is one of hundreds and Denmark, Belgium and France have more.
Thank God Isis are bring removed from our world.
🙏
Looking forward to those in any way apologizing for or defending Begum doing the same for neo natzi nutters aged 15 and upwards.
The same people trying to hang Tories, leavers and unionists for breathing.
🤔
Literally no-one is apologising for or defending her, tbab. Nobody.
There are a few people defending the liberal and very fundamentally British concepts of the rule of law, fair and unbiased criminal justice, and universal human rights - you know, the very stuff IS would like us to abandon.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
Literally no-one is apologising for or defending her, tbab. Nobody.
There are a few people defending the liberal and very fundamentally British concepts of the rule of law, fair and unbiased criminal justice, and universal human rights - you know, the very stuff IS would like us to abandon.
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Rosso.
Sorry, as ever the post is lost in translation....I am not saying folk here are defending Begum
And I was careful to say we are legally bound to follow protocol on this and I think cool heads are required.
I think before posting and knew what to expect...even though left and liberal posters say Fook her.
Problem is there are 41k Isis vols to deal with as foreign fighters from 80 countries.
#PESHMERGA NO1
By following the line of law we may import killers, homophobes, racist bigots, sectarian extremists and sexist haters.
Just a warning.
And when they murder or groom or preach jaded in prison we can pat ourselves on the back and remind ourselves of how Corbyn, Stop the War coalition and Greens got rid of Isis whilst British forces,SAS! Kurds, SDF! Russia and America looked on.
Begum returns and goes to prison...maybe.
Where do many muslim guys and gals get radicalized while sitting about with guilt, free time and no purpose?
We have a society that bans feminists and Christians and leave voters from campus debate, yet allows 200 Islamist hate speeches at UK universities last year.
When guys such as me are defending liberal freedom and tolerance in the West against students, the left and Islamist clerics the world May have gone upside down.😎
On leaving East London Begun married a Dutch convert at 15 so she was in that world voluntarily for years and now wants the infidel to save her from reality.
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15.. was she groomed or able to make her own mind up?
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 16 seconds ago
On leaving East London Begun married a Dutch convert at 15 so she was in that world voluntarily for years and now wants the infidel to save her from reality.
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15.. was she groomed or able to make her own mind up?
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She is 19 now and said the severed head of an Isis enemy was an enemy of Islam.
Shows no remorse
Lost a kid to malnutrition but obviously fed herself to keep breeding in Islamist utopia.
Breaking news...Begum family want her back urgently?
Really....the thousands her Isis comrades killed feel the same, but cannot see their dead.
Were the Bulger killers at ten groomed?
At 15 you know what Isis are....and to go there, be married and raped by jihadi dutchboy is a wake up call.
So she stayed to have more kids in beheady land and now when Isis get fooked up...she wants home again.
Bless.
Dad was an Isis fan...family need watched.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
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Fair enough...did not see them.
We need to follow legal protocol.
However, being legal and liberal with Islamist hate preachers in the UK and Europe made us soft and gullible to hardened jihadist counts.
If anything is going to Fook up social and community cohesion and harmony in the West it is the cancer of extremist Islamism because that creates far right hate and racism...and then a cycle of violence and revenge will emerge, as seen with loyalist and republican in my manor.
We do need to go soft on haters just because they are not white or local or from our parish.
Evil comes in many forms and if you want to allow enemies of liberalism, tolerance and peace to flourish....stand back and watch extremist political Islamism ruin the West, after doing so across Africa, Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir today where 46 were killed by the sons of Mohammad.
I could be wrong here but I don't think we have a choice but take her back. She's British and doesn't have dual nationality. I think International Law dictates we take her back. What happens with her once she's back is another matter all together though. I'd expect she will be investigated.
Bluebells stop using words you don't understand and stick to the topic, unless you want me to write you another essay on everything you've got wrong.
p.s. please stop watching fox news.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
Bluebells stop using words you don't understand and stick to the topic, unless you want me to write you another essay on everything you've got wrong.
p.s. please stop watching fox news.
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No offence, but your post is just wrong!
Fox news has not been viewed for over a year in the uk.
Tell me what you think i got wrong.
I watched a YPG fighter on bbc news say Begum is owed nothing from us...she made her choice knowing what isis were and shows no remorse.
Now as i said we may be legally obliged to take her back eventually, so she can bring up little haters in the uk to carry on the islamist crusade......or she may get normal again.
Bit of a gamble.
As Europe and the west is so evil and horrible,,why do islamists want to live with us....not ordinary muslim people, but islamist haters who are politicized and brainwashed by hate preachers, social media and apologists for an ideology formenting division and oppression of women, christians, gay people, liberals etc.
Seriously, the west does not need even one more islamist bigot and why not stay in a land free from our ilk.
Poorest and most violent places to live with intolerance and fundsmentalist old men mistreating the population!
Where are they?
Middle East, Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan....common denominator?
Many are where regressive islamism and tyrannical leaders have power.
Time for progressive muslim voices to be heard in these lands and time to ditch fundamentalist old hate preachers, for all our sakes!
And the west should leave them to do so!
In order to avoid giving islamists another excuse to bomb our tubes and busses, drive lorries into our cyclists, blow our kids up concerts, kill us in jewish stores or stab us in London streets for what Tony Blair did.
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 13 hours, 32 minutes ago
I could be wrong here but I don't think we have a choice but take her back. She's British and doesn't have dual nationality. I think International Law dictates we take her back. What happens with her once she's back is another matter all together though. I'd expect she will be investigated.
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If we take her back under international law she goes to prison for daesh terror offences, and on release she should be watched........but is that practical?
Case of fingers crossed she shuns hate and goes back to being human.
Hundreds coming back across Europe and isis ideology dictates many still hate us and will attack the west.
This empowers far right groups in europe and causes moderate opinion to be drowned out......we were also too soft on islamists in the uk and europe allowing hate preachers to operate freely.
Last year as christian and feminist and leave speakers were no platformed at unis here, we allowed over 200 islamist hate preachers to brainwash students on campus,, because our moral compass is messed up for fear of being called racist......even though the speaker spouts racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism and sectarianism!
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 15 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
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Fair enough...did not see them.
We need to follow legal protocol.
However, being legal and liberal with Islamist hate preachers in the UK and Europe made us soft and gullible to hardened jihadist counts.
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You didn't answer the question
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At 15.. was she groomed or did she make her own mind up?
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
Bluebells stop using words you don't understand and stick to the topic, unless you want me to write you another essay on everything you've got wrong.
p.s. please stop watching fox news.
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No offence, but your post is just wrong!
Fox news has not been viewed for over a year in the uk.
Tell me what you think i got wrong.
I watched a YPG fighter on bbc news say Begum is owed nothing from us...she made her choice knowing what isis were and shows no remorse.
Now as i said we may be legally obliged to take her back eventually, so she can bring up little haters in the uk to carry on the islamist crusade......or she may get normal again.
Bit of a gamble.
As Europe and the west is so evil and horrible,,why do islamists want to live with us....not ordinary muslim people, but islamist haters who are politicized and brainwashed by hate preachers, social media and apologists for an ideology formenting division and oppression of women, christians, gay people, liberals etc.
Seriously, the west does not need even one more islamist bigot and why not stay in a land free from our ilk.
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You keep on using words buzz words you don't understand, like when you wedge the word Islam into an 'ism' or 'Jihadi'. You're also talking about what is ruining the west and what has ruined the middle-east, something totally off topic. The banking system, money in politics and the environment should be at the top of your list for the west by the way.
This is where I usually react and then I'm told I derailed the thread, when all I'm doing is reacting to misinformation. For example you are quoting somebody from the YPG when they are considered an arm of the Kurdistan Workers Party, which is recognised as a terrorist group by the USA. I know you respect the opinion of those who govern that country, so do a little research.
Stick to the topic of the girl in question, you can do it with out branching out into other issues which you'll be pulled up on.
FYI there is more than one way to watch Fox News
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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 15 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
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Fair enough...did not see them.
We need to follow legal protocol.
However, being legal and liberal with Islamist hate preachers in the UK and Europe made us soft and gullible to hardened jihadist counts.
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You didn't answer the question
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At 15.. was she groomed or did she make her own mind up?
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No....and i did answer by saying at 15 she knew what she was doing, what isis were and she agreed with them!
She said a he ad in a bin belonged toan enemy of islam.
She a!lowed herself to be maried to a jihadi and she had two kids who died there.....then has another one for us mugs to rear!
Follow legal process and send her to prison......or Gitmo.
Personally, i would leave her there as we have enough nutters here.
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 15 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
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Fair enough...did not see them.
We need to follow legal protocol.
However, being legal and liberal with Islamist hate preachers in the UK and Europe made us soft and gullible to hardened jihadist counts.
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You didn't answer the question
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At 15.. was she groomed or did she make her own mind up?
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Groomed? Hmmmmm, maybe in this case we need clarification on what groomed means and where grooming ends and upbringing takes place. Otherwise we could argue that we are all groomed to a certain extent.
I would assume, and maybe wrongly, that the father of one of the other girls had an influence on her. However, usually with grooming the victim doesn't think it is OK, but carries on - maybe under duress. This girl doesn't seem to believe she is wrong, or what she has been involved in is wrong. And that is where I see the difference.
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She is a jihadi islamist extremist living the dream!
Til isis get rolled......by female Pesmerga, Russians, western crusaders and fe!low muslim fighters.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
Bluebells stop using words you don't understand and stick to the topic, unless you want me to write you another essay on everything you've got wrong.
p.s. please stop watching fox news.
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No offence, but your post is just wrong!
Fox news has not been viewed for over a year in the uk.
Tell me what you think i got wrong.
I watched a YPG fighter on bbc news say Begum is owed nothing from us...she made her choice knowing what isis were and shows no remorse.
Now as i said we may be legally obliged to take her back eventually, so she can bring up little haters in the uk to carry on the islamist crusade......or she may get normal again.
Bit of a gamble.
As Europe and the west is so evil and horrible,,why do islamists want to live with us....not ordinary muslim people, but islamist haters who are politicized and brainwashed by hate preachers, social media and apologists for an ideology formenting division and oppression of women, christians, gay people, liberals etc.
Seriously, the west does not need even one more islamist bigot and why not stay in a land free from our ilk.
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You keep on using words buzz words you don't understand, like when you wedge the word Islam into an 'ism' or 'Jihadi'. You're also talking about what is ruining the west and what has ruined the middle-east, something totally off topic. The banking system, money in politics and the environment should be at the top of your list for the west by the way.
This is where I usually react and then I'm told I derailed the thread, when all I'm doing is reacting to misinformation. For example you are quoting somebody from the YPG when they are considered an arm of the Kurdistan Workers Party, which is recognised as a terrorist group by the USA. I know you respect the opinion of those who govern that country, so do a little research.
Stick to the topic of the girl in question, you can do it with out branching out into other issues which you'll be pulled up on.
FYI there is more than one way to watch Fox News
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I do not need Fox to know a wrong un and i do not watch it Anywhere!
Islamist is fine as a definition for Begum who sees the head of an guy and declares him an enemy of islam....her words!
jihadi can mean different things at various times, but jihadi is accurate in relation to modern islamist militants!
Whether you like this or not matters little....they are islamist jihadis if we want to call them that, as do most mainstream media outlets and observers.They call themslves Islamic state and otherr groups use the words Muslim Brotherhood, Islam and Mohammad etc in their names.
Other things affect the west and mainly muslim lands but fundamentalist islamism has helped ruin lives for tens of millions.
I know how Turkey and others view kurds.....i read!
I support the kurds and Not all America says.....although the US fo ught alonside peshmerga and warn Turkey off attacking them.
Surprised you assume i am new to this field?
And i will branch out so feel free to put your counter narrative.....or as you say, try to pullme up!
At 15 she knew very well what she was doing.
Her lack of remorse is what concerns me.
It might sound callous but the fact that she’s pregnant doesn’t warrant any sympathy. She knowingly joined a terrorost regime and she should face the consequences.
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posted on 15/2/19
comment by MBL. (U6305)
posted 9 minutes ago
She tried to raise children in the middle of a terrorist group in land that wasn’t theirs, hardly doing all she can.
She’s culpable.
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As I have said, she has some responsibility in that she opted to go over there. However, you are making a lot of assumptions without knowing all of the facts. She might not have been able to get away from her husband until he was captured? Now maybe she does have the option of getting away and trying to get back to the UK?
I still don't want her back in the country though.
posted on 15/2/19
She made her bed she can lie in it.
She’s showed no remorse in her interview we really want someone like that using the tax payer as way to live.
posted on 15/2/19
Legally, the UK May have to take her back?
However, she has not disowned Isis and her friend is with them still....other mate died in a bombing raid.
When asked about the conflict and she brought up the head in a bin...few reports elaborated as she said he was an "enemy of islam".
Her family beg for mercy while a quick search shows dad at an Islamist extremist rally with Isis flags and union flag burning.
On leaving East London Begun married a Dutch convert at 15 so she was in that world voluntarily for years and now wants the infidel to save her from reality.
If we are bound by liberal and legal guidelines so be it.
But even the liberals and left leaning guys here do not want her and her comrades back...she is one of hundreds and Denmark, Belgium and France have more.
Thank God Isis are bring removed from our world.
🙏
posted on 15/2/19
Looking forward to those in any way apologizing for or defending Begum doing the same for neo natzi nutters aged 15 and upwards.
The same people trying to hang Tories, leavers and unionists for breathing.
🤔
posted on 15/2/19
Literally no-one is apologising for or defending her, tbab. Nobody.
There are a few people defending the liberal and very fundamentally British concepts of the rule of law, fair and unbiased criminal justice, and universal human rights - you know, the very stuff IS would like us to abandon.
posted on 15/2/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
Literally no-one is apologising for or defending her, tbab. Nobody.
There are a few people defending the liberal and very fundamentally British concepts of the rule of law, fair and unbiased criminal justice, and universal human rights - you know, the very stuff IS would like us to abandon.
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Rosso.
Sorry, as ever the post is lost in translation....I am not saying folk here are defending Begum
And I was careful to say we are legally bound to follow protocol on this and I think cool heads are required.
I think before posting and knew what to expect...even though left and liberal posters say Fook her.
Problem is there are 41k Isis vols to deal with as foreign fighters from 80 countries.
#PESHMERGA NO1
posted on 15/2/19
By following the line of law we may import killers, homophobes, racist bigots, sectarian extremists and sexist haters.
Just a warning.
And when they murder or groom or preach jaded in prison we can pat ourselves on the back and remind ourselves of how Corbyn, Stop the War coalition and Greens got rid of Isis whilst British forces,SAS! Kurds, SDF! Russia and America looked on.
posted on 15/2/19
Begum returns and goes to prison...maybe.
Where do many muslim guys and gals get radicalized while sitting about with guilt, free time and no purpose?
We have a society that bans feminists and Christians and leave voters from campus debate, yet allows 200 Islamist hate speeches at UK universities last year.
When guys such as me are defending liberal freedom and tolerance in the West against students, the left and Islamist clerics the world May have gone upside down.😎
posted on 15/2/19
On leaving East London Begun married a Dutch convert at 15 so she was in that world voluntarily for years and now wants the infidel to save her from reality.
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15.. was she groomed or able to make her own mind up?
posted on 15/2/19
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
posted on 15/2/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 16 seconds ago
On leaving East London Begun married a Dutch convert at 15 so she was in that world voluntarily for years and now wants the infidel to save her from reality.
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15.. was she groomed or able to make her own mind up?
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She is 19 now and said the severed head of an Isis enemy was an enemy of Islam.
Shows no remorse
Lost a kid to malnutrition but obviously fed herself to keep breeding in Islamist utopia.
Breaking news...Begum family want her back urgently?
Really....the thousands her Isis comrades killed feel the same, but cannot see their dead.
Were the Bulger killers at ten groomed?
At 15 you know what Isis are....and to go there, be married and raped by jihadi dutchboy is a wake up call.
So she stayed to have more kids in beheady land and now when Isis get fooked up...she wants home again.
Bless.
Dad was an Isis fan...family need watched.
posted on 15/2/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
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Fair enough...did not see them.
We need to follow legal protocol.
However, being legal and liberal with Islamist hate preachers in the UK and Europe made us soft and gullible to hardened jihadist counts.
posted on 15/2/19
If anything is going to Fook up social and community cohesion and harmony in the West it is the cancer of extremist Islamism because that creates far right hate and racism...and then a cycle of violence and revenge will emerge, as seen with loyalist and republican in my manor.
We do need to go soft on haters just because they are not white or local or from our parish.
Evil comes in many forms and if you want to allow enemies of liberalism, tolerance and peace to flourish....stand back and watch extremist political Islamism ruin the West, after doing so across Africa, Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir today where 46 were killed by the sons of Mohammad.
posted on 15/2/19
I could be wrong here but I don't think we have a choice but take her back. She's British and doesn't have dual nationality. I think International Law dictates we take her back. What happens with her once she's back is another matter all together though. I'd expect she will be investigated.
posted on 16/2/19
Bluebells stop using words you don't understand and stick to the topic, unless you want me to write you another essay on everything you've got wrong.
p.s. please stop watching fox news.
posted on 16/2/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
Bluebells stop using words you don't understand and stick to the topic, unless you want me to write you another essay on everything you've got wrong.
p.s. please stop watching fox news.
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No offence, but your post is just wrong!
Fox news has not been viewed for over a year in the uk.
Tell me what you think i got wrong.
I watched a YPG fighter on bbc news say Begum is owed nothing from us...she made her choice knowing what isis were and shows no remorse.
Now as i said we may be legally obliged to take her back eventually, so she can bring up little haters in the uk to carry on the islamist crusade......or she may get normal again.
Bit of a gamble.
As Europe and the west is so evil and horrible,,why do islamists want to live with us....not ordinary muslim people, but islamist haters who are politicized and brainwashed by hate preachers, social media and apologists for an ideology formenting division and oppression of women, christians, gay people, liberals etc.
Seriously, the west does not need even one more islamist bigot and why not stay in a land free from our ilk.
posted on 16/2/19
Poorest and most violent places to live with intolerance and fundsmentalist old men mistreating the population!
Where are they?
Middle East, Africa, Pakistan, Afghanistan....common denominator?
Many are where regressive islamism and tyrannical leaders have power.
Time for progressive muslim voices to be heard in these lands and time to ditch fundamentalist old hate preachers, for all our sakes!
And the west should leave them to do so!
In order to avoid giving islamists another excuse to bomb our tubes and busses, drive lorries into our cyclists, blow our kids up concerts, kill us in jewish stores or stab us in London streets for what Tony Blair did.
posted on 16/2/19
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 13 hours, 32 minutes ago
I could be wrong here but I don't think we have a choice but take her back. She's British and doesn't have dual nationality. I think International Law dictates we take her back. What happens with her once she's back is another matter all together though. I'd expect she will be investigated.
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If we take her back under international law she goes to prison for daesh terror offences, and on release she should be watched........but is that practical?
Case of fingers crossed she shuns hate and goes back to being human.
Hundreds coming back across Europe and isis ideology dictates many still hate us and will attack the west.
This empowers far right groups in europe and causes moderate opinion to be drowned out......we were also too soft on islamists in the uk and europe allowing hate preachers to operate freely.
Last year as christian and feminist and leave speakers were no platformed at unis here, we allowed over 200 islamist hate preachers to brainwash students on campus,, because our moral compass is messed up for fear of being called racist......even though the speaker spouts racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism and sectarianism!
posted on 16/2/19
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 15 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
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Fair enough...did not see them.
We need to follow legal protocol.
However, being legal and liberal with Islamist hate preachers in the UK and Europe made us soft and gullible to hardened jihadist counts.
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You didn't answer the question
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At 15.. was she groomed or did she make her own mind up?
posted on 16/2/19
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
Bluebells stop using words you don't understand and stick to the topic, unless you want me to write you another essay on everything you've got wrong.
p.s. please stop watching fox news.
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No offence, but your post is just wrong!
Fox news has not been viewed for over a year in the uk.
Tell me what you think i got wrong.
I watched a YPG fighter on bbc news say Begum is owed nothing from us...she made her choice knowing what isis were and shows no remorse.
Now as i said we may be legally obliged to take her back eventually, so she can bring up little haters in the uk to carry on the islamist crusade......or she may get normal again.
Bit of a gamble.
As Europe and the west is so evil and horrible,,why do islamists want to live with us....not ordinary muslim people, but islamist haters who are politicized and brainwashed by hate preachers, social media and apologists for an ideology formenting division and oppression of women, christians, gay people, liberals etc.
Seriously, the west does not need even one more islamist bigot and why not stay in a land free from our ilk.
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You keep on using words buzz words you don't understand, like when you wedge the word Islam into an 'ism' or 'Jihadi'. You're also talking about what is ruining the west and what has ruined the middle-east, something totally off topic. The banking system, money in politics and the environment should be at the top of your list for the west by the way.
This is where I usually react and then I'm told I derailed the thread, when all I'm doing is reacting to misinformation. For example you are quoting somebody from the YPG when they are considered an arm of the Kurdistan Workers Party, which is recognised as a terrorist group by the USA. I know you respect the opinion of those who govern that country, so do a little research.
Stick to the topic of the girl in question, you can do it with out branching out into other issues which you'll be pulled up on.
FYI there is more than one way to watch Fox News
posted on 16/2/19
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posted on 16/2/19
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 15 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
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Fair enough...did not see them.
We need to follow legal protocol.
However, being legal and liberal with Islamist hate preachers in the UK and Europe made us soft and gullible to hardened jihadist counts.
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You didn't answer the question
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At 15.. was she groomed or did she make her own mind up?
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No....and i did answer by saying at 15 she knew what she was doing, what isis were and she agreed with them!
She said a he ad in a bin belonged toan enemy of islam.
She a!lowed herself to be maried to a jihadi and she had two kids who died there.....then has another one for us mugs to rear!
Follow legal process and send her to prison......or Gitmo.
Personally, i would leave her there as we have enough nutters here.
posted on 16/2/19
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
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comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 minutes ago
For the sake of clarity, my thoughts on what to do with her are already in this article.
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Fair enough...did not see them.
We need to follow legal protocol.
However, being legal and liberal with Islamist hate preachers in the UK and Europe made us soft and gullible to hardened jihadist counts.
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You didn't answer the question
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At 15.. was she groomed or did she make her own mind up?
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Groomed? Hmmmmm, maybe in this case we need clarification on what groomed means and where grooming ends and upbringing takes place. Otherwise we could argue that we are all groomed to a certain extent.
I would assume, and maybe wrongly, that the father of one of the other girls had an influence on her. However, usually with grooming the victim doesn't think it is OK, but carries on - maybe under duress. This girl doesn't seem to believe she is wrong, or what she has been involved in is wrong. And that is where I see the difference.
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She is a jihadi islamist extremist living the dream!
Til isis get rolled......by female Pesmerga, Russians, western crusaders and fe!low muslim fighters.
posted on 16/2/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
Bluebells stop using words you don't understand and stick to the topic, unless you want me to write you another essay on everything you've got wrong.
p.s. please stop watching fox news.
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No offence, but your post is just wrong!
Fox news has not been viewed for over a year in the uk.
Tell me what you think i got wrong.
I watched a YPG fighter on bbc news say Begum is owed nothing from us...she made her choice knowing what isis were and shows no remorse.
Now as i said we may be legally obliged to take her back eventually, so she can bring up little haters in the uk to carry on the islamist crusade......or she may get normal again.
Bit of a gamble.
As Europe and the west is so evil and horrible,,why do islamists want to live with us....not ordinary muslim people, but islamist haters who are politicized and brainwashed by hate preachers, social media and apologists for an ideology formenting division and oppression of women, christians, gay people, liberals etc.
Seriously, the west does not need even one more islamist bigot and why not stay in a land free from our ilk.
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You keep on using words buzz words you don't understand, like when you wedge the word Islam into an 'ism' or 'Jihadi'. You're also talking about what is ruining the west and what has ruined the middle-east, something totally off topic. The banking system, money in politics and the environment should be at the top of your list for the west by the way.
This is where I usually react and then I'm told I derailed the thread, when all I'm doing is reacting to misinformation. For example you are quoting somebody from the YPG when they are considered an arm of the Kurdistan Workers Party, which is recognised as a terrorist group by the USA. I know you respect the opinion of those who govern that country, so do a little research.
Stick to the topic of the girl in question, you can do it with out branching out into other issues which you'll be pulled up on.
FYI there is more than one way to watch Fox News
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I do not need Fox to know a wrong un and i do not watch it Anywhere!
Islamist is fine as a definition for Begum who sees the head of an guy and declares him an enemy of islam....her words!
jihadi can mean different things at various times, but jihadi is accurate in relation to modern islamist militants!
Whether you like this or not matters little....they are islamist jihadis if we want to call them that, as do most mainstream media outlets and observers.They call themslves Islamic state and otherr groups use the words Muslim Brotherhood, Islam and Mohammad etc in their names.
Other things affect the west and mainly muslim lands but fundamentalist islamism has helped ruin lives for tens of millions.
I know how Turkey and others view kurds.....i read!
I support the kurds and Not all America says.....although the US fo ught alonside peshmerga and warn Turkey off attacking them.
Surprised you assume i am new to this field?
And i will branch out so feel free to put your counter narrative.....or as you say, try to pullme up!
posted on 16/2/19
At 15 she knew very well what she was doing.
Her lack of remorse is what concerns me.
It might sound callous but the fact that she’s pregnant doesn’t warrant any sympathy. She knowingly joined a terrorost regime and she should face the consequences.
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