If you combined ronaldo and messi you might be lucky to get one Frank Worthington.
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 11 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
I wonder how highly Hazard/Neymar and others even like Dybala and Griezemann would be thought of if not for Ronaldo and Messi.
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It wouldn’t effect Hazard or Dybala, but Neymar’s legacy would be much different already.
If it wasn’t for Messi and Ronaldo, Neymar Jr would be a 2-time World Player of the Year and be perceived as the greatest player of this era, and as good as Ronaldinho or even better.
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Except Mbappe is a better already
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 hours, 34 minutes ago
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
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Harry Kane has several years to catch up on most of them, expect him to go past the lot by the time he is 30/31.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 hours, 51 minutes ago
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
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Impressive from Aguero, but I do think he benefits from the team he plays for. They have been the dominant team in the league since he arrived. Partly because of him but mostly because of the money spent. Think if you were to put him in the Spurs team instead of Kane in all this time he'd post a similar figure to Kane. Look at the strength of this City team now for instance.
I must say I'm more impressed by Vardy's number of goals for an unfancied Leicester team. He will go down as an underrated striker in this league.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 hours, 51 minutes ago
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
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Impressive from Aguero, but I do think he benefits from the team he plays for. They have been the dominant team in the league since he arrived. Partly because of him but mostly because of the money spent. Think if you were to put him in the Spurs team instead of Kane in all this time he'd post a similar figure to Kane. Look at the strength of this City team now for instance.
I must say I'm more impressed by Vardy's number of goals for an unfancied Leicester team. He will go down as an underrated striker in this league.
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No he hasn’t, major revisionism of history. They have not been the dominant team since 11/12, nor have they been the dominant team since Aguero arrived as you said. Sometimes they have been and sometimes they haven’t, aka like every good team ever if you look at them over a number of years. Even Vardy had one season when he played for the ‘dominant’ team in the PL.
ronaldo's a great goalscorer...but as good a player as messi, maradona, zidane, ronaldinho, zico, m laudrup ?
not in a million years
fat ronaldo aswell ..was a far superior footballer to vain ronaldo
comment by peks (U6618)
posted 11 minutes ago
ronaldo's a great goalscorer...but as good a player as messi, maradona, zidane, ronaldinho, zico, m laudrup ?
not in a million years
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Goals win games and he’s scored the goals to win 5 CL’s.
The players mentioned may have had some attributes that Ronaldo doesn’t have but other than Messi he’s been more effective than any of those players.
Ffs now are people forgetting how good Ronaldo was as an all round footballer and entertainer before he reached his late twenties/age 30
In fact thinking about it it has been interesting and a testament to both their legacies that they have been different types of players throughout their careers. Messi as a young right winger and Ronaldo up until late twenties/thirties were great entertainers, exciting to watch (not that they aren’t now but it was just a different type). They’ve both also had periods where it was all just about the goals, and they managed stupendous goal records through their qualities in positioning, finishing, in big games, ‘stat padding’ vs small teams, bit of everything.
And Messi, while always having it in him, has defo shown over last 7-8 years how good a playmaker he is too, his passing and vision is as good as the best no.10s/creative midfielders in history but he isn’t known for that so I guess he doesn’t get compared to those types of players.
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 15 minutes ago
Ffs now are people forgetting how good Ronaldo was as an all round footballer and entertainer before he reached his late twenties/age 30
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This.
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 hours, 51 minutes ago
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
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Impressive from Aguero, but I do think he benefits from the team he plays for. They have been the dominant team in the league since he arrived. Partly because of him but mostly because of the money spent. Think if you were to put him in the Spurs team instead of Kane in all this time he'd post a similar figure to Kane. Look at the strength of this City team now for instance.
I must say I'm more impressed by Vardy's number of goals for an unfancied Leicester team. He will go down as an underrated striker in this league.
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No he hasn’t, major revisionism of history. They have not been the dominant team since 11/12, nor have they been the dominant team since Aguero arrived as you said. Sometimes they have been and sometimes they haven’t, aka like every good team ever if you look at them over a number of years. Even Vardy had one season when he played for the ‘dominant’ team in the PL.
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They've won more league titles than anyone, been the only team not to have dropped out of the top 4 in that time, accumulated more points than anyone else in that time, and are on course for more success this season. Personally I think it's fair to say they have been the best team in the league overall in the period Aguero has played for them.
Overall, yes, but over each season, no, the reason Aguero is so high on that list is more because he’s class rather than mitigating circumstances. I highly doubt many other strikers (that aren’t on his level) would match that stat playing for City over last few seasons.
9 of those are against Arsenal.
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posted on 17/2/19
If you combined ronaldo and messi you might be lucky to get one Frank Worthington.
posted on 18/2/19
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
posted on 18/2/19
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 11 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
I wonder how highly Hazard/Neymar and others even like Dybala and Griezemann would be thought of if not for Ronaldo and Messi.
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It wouldn’t effect Hazard or Dybala, but Neymar’s legacy would be much different already.
If it wasn’t for Messi and Ronaldo, Neymar Jr would be a 2-time World Player of the Year and be perceived as the greatest player of this era, and as good as Ronaldinho or even better.
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Except Mbappe is a better already
posted on 18/2/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 hours, 34 minutes ago
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
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Harry Kane has several years to catch up on most of them, expect him to go past the lot by the time he is 30/31.
posted on 18/2/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 hours, 51 minutes ago
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
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Impressive from Aguero, but I do think he benefits from the team he plays for. They have been the dominant team in the league since he arrived. Partly because of him but mostly because of the money spent. Think if you were to put him in the Spurs team instead of Kane in all this time he'd post a similar figure to Kane. Look at the strength of this City team now for instance.
I must say I'm more impressed by Vardy's number of goals for an unfancied Leicester team. He will go down as an underrated striker in this league.
posted on 18/2/19
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 hours, 51 minutes ago
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
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Impressive from Aguero, but I do think he benefits from the team he plays for. They have been the dominant team in the league since he arrived. Partly because of him but mostly because of the money spent. Think if you were to put him in the Spurs team instead of Kane in all this time he'd post a similar figure to Kane. Look at the strength of this City team now for instance.
I must say I'm more impressed by Vardy's number of goals for an unfancied Leicester team. He will go down as an underrated striker in this league.
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No he hasn’t, major revisionism of history. They have not been the dominant team since 11/12, nor have they been the dominant team since Aguero arrived as you said. Sometimes they have been and sometimes they haven’t, aka like every good team ever if you look at them over a number of years. Even Vardy had one season when he played for the ‘dominant’ team in the PL.
posted on 18/2/19
ronaldo's a great goalscorer...but as good a player as messi, maradona, zidane, ronaldinho, zico, m laudrup ?
not in a million years
posted on 18/2/19
fat ronaldo aswell ..was a far superior footballer to vain ronaldo
posted on 18/2/19
comment by peks (U6618)
posted 11 minutes ago
ronaldo's a great goalscorer...but as good a player as messi, maradona, zidane, ronaldinho, zico, m laudrup ?
not in a million years
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Goals win games and he’s scored the goals to win 5 CL’s.
The players mentioned may have had some attributes that Ronaldo doesn’t have but other than Messi he’s been more effective than any of those players.
posted on 18/2/19
Ffs now are people forgetting how good Ronaldo was as an all round footballer and entertainer before he reached his late twenties/age 30
posted on 18/2/19
In fact thinking about it it has been interesting and a testament to both their legacies that they have been different types of players throughout their careers. Messi as a young right winger and Ronaldo up until late twenties/thirties were great entertainers, exciting to watch (not that they aren’t now but it was just a different type). They’ve both also had periods where it was all just about the goals, and they managed stupendous goal records through their qualities in positioning, finishing, in big games, ‘stat padding’ vs small teams, bit of everything.
And Messi, while always having it in him, has defo shown over last 7-8 years how good a playmaker he is too, his passing and vision is as good as the best no.10s/creative midfielders in history but he isn’t known for that so I guess he doesn’t get compared to those types of players.
posted on 18/2/19
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 15 minutes ago
Ffs now are people forgetting how good Ronaldo was as an all round footballer and entertainer before he reached his late twenties/age 30
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This.
posted on 18/2/19
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 hours, 51 minutes ago
Since 2011/12, most goals against the top six in the PL
Sergio Agüero - 43
Jamie Vardy - 29
Lionel Messi - 22
Harry Kane - 21
Wayne Rooney - 20
Robin van Persie - 18
Ridiculous that Messi is even in that list (and the numbers of both Aguero and Vardy)
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Impressive from Aguero, but I do think he benefits from the team he plays for. They have been the dominant team in the league since he arrived. Partly because of him but mostly because of the money spent. Think if you were to put him in the Spurs team instead of Kane in all this time he'd post a similar figure to Kane. Look at the strength of this City team now for instance.
I must say I'm more impressed by Vardy's number of goals for an unfancied Leicester team. He will go down as an underrated striker in this league.
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No he hasn’t, major revisionism of history. They have not been the dominant team since 11/12, nor have they been the dominant team since Aguero arrived as you said. Sometimes they have been and sometimes they haven’t, aka like every good team ever if you look at them over a number of years. Even Vardy had one season when he played for the ‘dominant’ team in the PL.
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They've won more league titles than anyone, been the only team not to have dropped out of the top 4 in that time, accumulated more points than anyone else in that time, and are on course for more success this season. Personally I think it's fair to say they have been the best team in the league overall in the period Aguero has played for them.
posted on 18/2/19
Overall, yes, but over each season, no, the reason Aguero is so high on that list is more because he’s class rather than mitigating circumstances. I highly doubt many other strikers (that aren’t on his level) would match that stat playing for City over last few seasons.
posted on 18/2/19
Messi is ridiculous.
posted on 18/2/19
He really is.
posted on 18/2/19
9 of those are against Arsenal.
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