comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 27 seconds ago
So you want to compare midfield with attack now?

Like I said, obvious wum
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Well yes, if you want to compare stats which are things in our system that come from the three in attack. Perhaps compare him to Shaqiri? He played in our midfield, a lot less minutes than Herrara I'm sure, when we tried to go a bit more attacking against teams who were defending very deep and we had injuries. He has six goals and two assists.
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Is the thread titled Shaqiri v Herrera now then?

You lads like moving those goalposts don't you

comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 28 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

This should be good
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3 points in the games between us this season and a chance of the league title.
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We talking 11 v 11 now then?

Nice swerve
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Yup, always were, unless you’re saying Herrera set his goals up himself and assisted with own goals only.. ya chubby prat.

Welbeck > Sane
Welbeck > Benzema
Welbeck > Icardi
Welbeck > Martial

Good fun this.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 59 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

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If argue Hendo has a better passing range and also is more physically strong and athletic.
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Better in the air, a leader and captain. I'm sure if we played a system where Henderson is required to play further forward he would get goals and assists, certainly more than three each. Since we play with a false 9, our midfield isn't required to operate in that space as Firmino pulls the defenders out and the wide players get in behind.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 59 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

This should be good
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If argue Hendo has a better passing range and also is more physically strong and athletic.
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I'd argue Herrera has a better forward passing range but yeah Hendo is physically stronger

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 seconds ago
Welbeck > Sane
Welbeck > Benzema
Welbeck > Icardi
Welbeck > Martial

Good fun this.
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You can dress it up any way you like, the fact is Henderson plays for a team ranked higher than the team Herrera can't even get in the squad in. He also captains the team who got to the CL final last season and are currently joint top of the league with a game in hand. Herrera has been average the whole time he has been in England apart from the odd game here and there. Now after one good game, he's suddenly better than Henderson. I find that ridiculous and reeks of clear bias.

Some fundamental flaws in many of the Liverpool fans observations here.

Judging Herrera on the previous few seasons means you're judging him based on managers who cannot get the best out of him. Clearly this means you're not judging him at his best and he's capable of more.

We see that because we see him week in, week out.

For context - see Rashford and Martial.

I'd say the opposite is true for Henderson.

That doesn't mean that you have to agree, but simply taking the fact that he's been in and out of the team, and has had some very average games, does not mean he's necessarily a worse player than Henderson.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 10 seconds ago
Welbeck > Sane
Welbeck > Benzema
Welbeck > Icardi
Welbeck > Martial

Good fun this.
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You can dress it up any way you like, the fact is Henderson plays for a team ranked higher than the team Herrera can't even get in the squad in. He also captains the team who got to the CL final last season and are currently joint top of the league with a game in hand. Herrera has been average the whole time he has been in England apart from the odd game here and there. Now after one good game, he's suddenly better than Henderson. I find that ridiculous and reeks of clear bias.
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You can move the goalposts all you like, but I'll keep bringing it back to your ridiculous comparison about their selection for the national team.

It was a stupid comment and it's even worse that you can't admit it.

comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 59 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

This should be good
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If argue Hendo has a better passing range and also is more physically strong and athletic.
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I'd argue Herrera has a better forward passing range but yeah Hendo is physically stronger
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Clear WUM. Passing is the thing that Henderson is far better at than Herrera, especially when it comes to passing range. Herrera does short passes, whilst Henderson's does more of a range of passing.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 28 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

This should be good
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3 points in the games between us this season and a chance of the league title.
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We talking 11 v 11 now then?

Nice swerve
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Yup, always were, unless you’re saying Herrera set his goals up himself and assisted with own goals only.. ya chubby prat.
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And there it is, deadinthehead resorting to insults, watch him spiral out of control now

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 59 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

This should be good
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If argue Hendo has a better passing range and also is more physically strong and athletic.
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I'd argue Herrera has a better forward passing range but yeah Hendo is physically stronger
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Clear WUM. Passing is the thing that Henderson is far better at than Herrera, especially when it comes to passing range. Herrera does short passes, whilst Henderson's does more of a range of passing.
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Anything TOOR disagrees with is a wum.

comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 59 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

This should be good
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If argue Hendo has a better passing range and also is more physically strong and athletic.
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I'd argue Herrera has a better forward passing range but yeah Hendo is physically stronger
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Clear WUM. Passing is the thing that Henderson is far better at than Herrera, especially when it comes to passing range. Herrera does short passes, whilst Henderson's does more of a range of passing.
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Side to side, front to back, front to side to back, he's got the lot

comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 28 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

This should be good
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3 points in the games between us this season and a chance of the league title.
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We talking 11 v 11 now then?

Nice swerve
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Yup, always were, unless you’re saying Herrera set his goals up himself and assisted with own goals only.. ya chubby prat.
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And there it is, deadinthehead resorting to insults, watch him spiral out of control now
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“deadinthehead resorting to insults,“

Awww, I see you couldn’t argue against my post so you resort to name calling... couldn’t you at least try to explain why Herrera stats have nothing to do with the rest of the team, and how they are nothing to do with “11 v 11” ?

We are discussing Herrera and Henderson and what each player excels in
I've given some examples where Herrera outshines Henderson

Goals
Assists
Tackling
Forward passing
Tika taka style passing

Perhaps you could give examples for Henderson????

Instead of bleating on about irrelevant stuff like the team and stuff

comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
We are discussing Herrera and Henderson and what each player excels in
I've given some examples where Herrera outshines Henderson

Goals
Assists
Tackling
Forward passing
Tika taka style passing

Perhaps you could give examples for Henderson????

Instead of bleating on about irrelevant stuff like the team and stuff
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It's weird how Herrera is better at all these things and yet has less goals and less assists despite being older and playing a more advanced position for the past few years isn't it.

Hendo does pass the ball sideways a lot which is why he gets more stick than most players from our fans. His job is to keep it safe and keep possession and let the other flair players try riskier passes.

If you look at the stats he is consistently in the top 3-4 forward passers in the league each season. I didn't believe it until I read it.


In the Premier League this season, Henderson has completed 456 passes, 28% of which have been towards the opposing goal with 33% backwards.

That compares favourably to most top-six rivals in a similar holding midfield role, with Manchester City's Fernandinho making 21% of his passes forward and Eric Dier of Tottenham Hotspur – Henderson's main competition for an England role – playing 27%.

For Chelsea's much-lauded Jorginho, the share of forward passes is 25%, and for Nemanja Matic of Manchester United the figure is 22%.

Only Arsenal's Granit Xhaka, with 30%, has a higher ratio of forward passes than Henderson.

comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
We are discussing Herrera and Henderson and what each player excels in
I've given some examples where Herrera outshines Henderson

Goals
Assists
Tackling
Forward passing
Tika taka style passing

Perhaps you could give examples for Henderson????

Instead of bleating on about irrelevant stuff like the team and stuff
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It's weird how Herrera is better at all these things and yet has less goals and less assists despite being older and playing a more advanced position for the past few years isn't it.
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Read my stats below. Herrera is not even on the list so stop making things up in your head

comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 59 seconds ago
You asked what Herrera has that Henderson doesn't and I gave you 2 examples, goals and assists, so let's hear what Henderson has that Herrera doesn't have

This should be good
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If argue Hendo has a better passing range and also is more physically strong and athletic.
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I'd argue Herrera has a better forward passing range but yeah Hendo is physically stronger
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Clear WUM. Passing is the thing that Henderson is far better at than Herrera, especially when it comes to passing range. Herrera does short passes, whilst Henderson's does more of a range of passing.
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Side to side, front to back, front to side to back, he's got the lot
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Herrera is not even in the top 5 passers forward in the league

comment by T Bone Steak Roysters (U3947)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
We are discussing Herrera and Henderson and what each player excels in
I've given some examples where Herrera outshines Henderson

Goals
Assists
Tackling
Forward passing
Tika taka style passing

Perhaps you could give examples for Henderson????

Instead of bleating on about irrelevant stuff like the team and stuff
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It's weird how Herrera is better at all these things and yet has less goals and less assists despite being older and playing a more advanced position for the past few years isn't it.
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Read my stats below. Herrera is not even on the list so stop making things up in your head
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I was wrong about the goals anyway as didn't include his stuff at Zaragoza

I'd be surprised if Man Utd players were top of anything other than getting men behind the ball under Jose.

Hang on: Herrera's superior goals and assists this season are irrelevant because Henderson's job is to sit deep and feed the front players, whereas the fact that Henderson hits more long passes is evidence of his superiority as a passer irrespective of the different tactical set-up and requirements on Herrera? Am I the only one sensing some dissonance between the two statements?

I still think this has been one big pointless argument. They're very different players with very different roles. Henderson vs Matic would be a much more illuminating debate. Matic is the superior footballer but Henderson is probably more useful now that Matic's legs have gone.

Matic is the superior footballer
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I used to rate your footy knowledge. If Matic was a better footballer he'd be able to play as many positions. He can't.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 35 minutes ago
Some fundamental flaws in many of the Liverpool fans observations here.

Judging Herrera on the previous few seasons means you're judging him based on managers who cannot get the best out of him. Clearly this means you're not judging him at his best and he's capable of more.

We see that because we see him week in, week out.

For context - see Rashford and Martial.

I'd say the opposite is true for Henderson.

That doesn't mean that you have to agree, but simply taking the fact that he's been in and out of the team, and has had some very average games, does not mean he's necessarily a worse player than Henderson.
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But you're judging him on 12 games and that's simply too small an amount to make a complete judgement.

3 years is a much clearer time frame however i do see you point re managers.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'd be surprised if Man Utd players were top of anything other than getting men behind the ball under Jose.
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Henderson has been at the top end if the stats under a few managers now.

Also Henderson captained England. That is something Herrera can never say