They’ve also got an fa exceptions panel in place at the minute much like Scotland.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 21 seconds ago
I’ve read a bit on it there and there’s the usual criteria of international apps.
There’s also a median transfer fee criteria.
I’m not sure it’s a certainty he wouldn’t get one. So while it may be slightly harder , it’s no certainty he wouldn’t get one.
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It’s on a points based system for the appeal, and he wouldn’t currently have enough points from memory.
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“Where applicable, a club’s application to register a player has to be accompanied by evidence to allow the League to demonstrate that the player may take up employment in the UK.
The League will not confirm the player is eligible to play for the club applying to register him until it has received such evidence. (Rule U.13)
Players with passports from outside the European Union and the European Economic Area need permission to work in the UK.
A club need to have applied for a permit prior to the window closing.
The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
That last bit is obviously open to interpretation but I’m not sure it’s any harder really than Scotland?
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
‘So these more stringent rules in England are from the FA and not the home office?
He'd have no problem getting one if he moved to England.’
You have to get an endorsement for a WP from the governing body-he wouldn’t automatically qualify and the appeals process makes it-I’m sure from what I read-nigh on impossible for him.
So, no, he wouldn’t qualify for a work permit. Certainly not right now.
The endorsement from the SFA is based on 3 people agreeing that a player would be an asset to our game. It’s complwtely different.
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He quite literally has a work permit in the UK
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 21 seconds ago
I’ve read a bit on it there and there’s the usual criteria of international apps.
There’s also a median transfer fee criteria.
I’m not sure it’s a certainty he wouldn’t get one. So while it may be slightly harder , it’s no certainty he wouldn’t get one.
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It’s on a points based system for the appeal, and he wouldn’t currently have enough points from memory.
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“Where applicable, a club’s application to register a player has to be accompanied by evidence to allow the League to demonstrate that the player may take up employment in the UK.
The League will not confirm the player is eligible to play for the club applying to register him until it has received such evidence. (Rule U.13)
Players with passports from outside the European Union and the European Economic Area need permission to work in the UK.
A club need to have applied for a permit prior to the window closing.
The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
That last bit is obviously open to interpretation but I’m not sure it’s any harder really than Scotland?
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And it says there it’s a points based system.
This bit would probably snooker him alone.
‘
Please note that, in order to secure leave to remain under Tiers 2 and 5 of the PBS, in addition to securing a GBE and being assigned with a Certificate of Sponsorship, an individual will also have to meet any other criteria as set by the Home Office. For example, applications under Tier 2 will have to be supported by evidence that the player has met the English language requirement set by the Home Office.’
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
‘So these more stringent rules in England are from the FA and not the home office?
He'd have no problem getting one if he moved to England.’
You have to get an endorsement for a WP from the governing body-he wouldn’t automatically qualify and the appeals process makes it-I’m sure from what I read-nigh on impossible for him.
So, no, he wouldn’t qualify for a work permit. Certainly not right now.
The endorsement from the SFA is based on 3 people agreeing that a player would be an asset to our game. It’s complwtely different.
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He quite literally has a work permit in the UK
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You quite literally didn’t realise he would need to reapply and that there’s different criteria.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 21 seconds ago
I’ve read a bit on it there and there’s the usual criteria of international apps.
There’s also a median transfer fee criteria.
I’m not sure it’s a certainty he wouldn’t get one. So while it may be slightly harder , it’s no certainty he wouldn’t get one.
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It’s on a points based system for the appeal, and he wouldn’t currently have enough points from memory.
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“Where applicable, a club’s application to register a player has to be accompanied by evidence to allow the League to demonstrate that the player may take up employment in the UK.
The League will not confirm the player is eligible to play for the club applying to register him until it has received such evidence. (Rule U.13)
Players with passports from outside the European Union and the European Economic Area need permission to work in the UK.
A club need to have applied for a permit prior to the window closing.
The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
That last bit is obviously open to interpretation but I’m not sure it’s any harder really than Scotland?
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And it says there it’s a points based system.
This bit would probably snooker him alone.
‘
Please note that, in order to secure leave to remain under Tiers 2 and 5 of the PBS, in addition to securing a GBE and being assigned with a Certificate of Sponsorship, an individual will also have to meet any other criteria as set by the Home Office. For example, applications under Tier 2 will have to be supported by evidence that the player has met the English language requirement set by the Home Office.’
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I think he speaks more English than he lets on
Povhettino managed here for years before speaking English allegedly.
You might be right I dunno but I’m not sure it’s as clear cut as you seem to think
More importantly either way, the longer he stays at gers the better imo . That said, if he does go we want top dollar be that from England or Europe
I'm sure there is a rule that if u play over 75% of the games for your current team u automatically qualify for a work permit of a new contract?
It’s definitely done on a points basis, as is the appeal. He has to have enough points on the appeal before it’s even considered by the exceptions panel.
Like I said, from memory, he was a fair bit off the exceptions points required.
We don’t have that in Scottish football.
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 19 seconds ago
I'm sure there is a rule that if u play over 75% of the games for your current team u automatically qualify for a work permit of a new contract?
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That might apply with your current club-but he’s having to apply for a new permit with a new club.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s definitely done on a points basis, as is the appeal. He has to have enough points on the appeal before it’s even considered by the exceptions panel.
Like I said, from memory, he was a fair bit off the exceptions points required.
We don’t have that in Scottish football.
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That’s not what I took from reading that part I quoted. I took it as if you fail the points then you go to the exceptions panel.
Fao nnh I think it was, three arrested over John beaton abuse following last old firm. Apologies if it wasn’t you who asked recently about what happened to them
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 3 minutes ago
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Have you actually looked at the handbook?
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 5 minutes ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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That doesn’t make sense. He’d be moving to england. Why would the English FA award points for him moving to their league?!
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 3 minutes ago
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Have you actually looked at the handbook?
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I’ve only read that bit that I quoted
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posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Sjb1888 (U5188)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Sjb1888 (U5188)
posted 9 seconds ago
If only he wasn't a rabid little savage who can't be trusted to finish a game.
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I wonder if you would use the word “savage” to describe a white player.
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Wonder no more, yes I would.
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Cool. It’s just very telling that you used a word which denotes someone as primitive and uncivilised to describe a black South American man. Certainly the language of “othering” at best and outright racism at worst.
Typical of the sort of scheidt Morelos has had to put up with since coming to Scotland.
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No, I'd say he mearly fits the description.
Dictionary result for savage
1. fierce, violent, and uncontrolled.
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
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There a few other factors that you can gain points on however he would get the 6 points 3 from going to the epl, 3 from earning a wage higher than 33% of the squad
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 3 minutes ago
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Have you actually looked at the handbook?
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I’ve only read that bit that I quoted
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When you go into it, it explains things a bit more.
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
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There a few other factors that you can gain points on however he would get the 6 points 3 from going to the epl, 3 from earning a wage higher than 33% of the squad
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Points
The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is above the 75th percentile of Qualifying Transfers1.
3 points
The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th percentile (inclusive) of Qualifying Transfers1.
2 points
The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are above the 75th percentile of Qualifying Wages.
3 points
The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th percentile (inclusive) of Qualifying Wages.
2 points
The player’s current club is in a Top League and the player has played in 30% or more of the Available Minutes.
1 point
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of a Continental Competition within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the Available Minutes.
1 point
He needs 4 points from that table for the panel to consider.
Or a total of 5 from that first lot and then this one:
Criteria
Points
The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is within 20% of the 50th percentile of Qualifying Transfers1.
1 point
Players2 for whom no transfer fee is payable who have been ascribed a virtual transfer value (on such basis and in such amount as the Exceptions Panel deems to be appropriate in its absolute discretion) which exceeds the value which is 20% below the 50th percentile of Qualifying Transfers
1 point
The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are within 20% of the 50th percentile of Qualifying Wages.
1 point
The player’s current club is in a Secondary League and the player has played in at least 30% of the Available Minutes.
1 point
The player’s current club has played in the final qualification rounds of a Continental Competition within the last 12 months and the player has played in at least 30% of the Available Minutes.
1 point
The applicant club is able to show3 that the player has participated in the Secondary Percentage4 of senior Competitive International Matches5 played by that player’s National Association during the Reference Period.
OR
The player’s National Association was a semi-finalist in the Asian Cup or African Cup of Nations in the immediately preceding 12 months of the date of the application for a GBE.
If the National Association is ranked outside the top 60 in the FIFA Aggregated World Rankings at the time of the application, the club must be able to show3 that the player participated in 75% or more4 of the Competitive International Matches5 played by the National Association during the Reference Period.
1 point
There’s other qualifying parts to that as well.
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
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There a few other factors that you can gain points on however he would get the 6 points 3 from going to the epl, 3 from earning a wage higher than 33% of the squad
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I don’t think it’s clear cut he would fail it
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
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There a few other factors that you can gain points on however he would get the 6 points 3 from going to the epl, 3 from earning a wage higher than 33% of the squad
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I don’t think it’s clear cut he would fail it
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Sherbet doesn’t have the correct points.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 3 minutes ago
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Have you actually looked at the handbook?
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I’ve only read that bit that I quoted
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When you go into it, it explains things a bit more.
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I’ll take your word for it
He’s going to struggle to get into Colombian team while he’s still playing in Scotland given his current form and just one call up so if your right then he ain’t going to epl anytime soon.
That’s probably good news for us gers fans but he could still go to a France or Germany for decent money tho he’s always said he wants to play in epl
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posted on 21/2/19
They’ve also got an fa exceptions panel in place at the minute much like Scotland.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 21 seconds ago
I’ve read a bit on it there and there’s the usual criteria of international apps.
There’s also a median transfer fee criteria.
I’m not sure it’s a certainty he wouldn’t get one. So while it may be slightly harder , it’s no certainty he wouldn’t get one.
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It’s on a points based system for the appeal, and he wouldn’t currently have enough points from memory.
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“Where applicable, a club’s application to register a player has to be accompanied by evidence to allow the League to demonstrate that the player may take up employment in the UK.
The League will not confirm the player is eligible to play for the club applying to register him until it has received such evidence. (Rule U.13)
Players with passports from outside the European Union and the European Economic Area need permission to work in the UK.
A club need to have applied for a permit prior to the window closing.
The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
That last bit is obviously open to interpretation but I’m not sure it’s any harder really than Scotland?
posted on 21/2/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
‘So these more stringent rules in England are from the FA and not the home office?
He'd have no problem getting one if he moved to England.’
You have to get an endorsement for a WP from the governing body-he wouldn’t automatically qualify and the appeals process makes it-I’m sure from what I read-nigh on impossible for him.
So, no, he wouldn’t qualify for a work permit. Certainly not right now.
The endorsement from the SFA is based on 3 people agreeing that a player would be an asset to our game. It’s complwtely different.
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He quite literally has a work permit in the UK
posted on 21/2/19
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 21 seconds ago
I’ve read a bit on it there and there’s the usual criteria of international apps.
There’s also a median transfer fee criteria.
I’m not sure it’s a certainty he wouldn’t get one. So while it may be slightly harder , it’s no certainty he wouldn’t get one.
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It’s on a points based system for the appeal, and he wouldn’t currently have enough points from memory.
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“Where applicable, a club’s application to register a player has to be accompanied by evidence to allow the League to demonstrate that the player may take up employment in the UK.
The League will not confirm the player is eligible to play for the club applying to register him until it has received such evidence. (Rule U.13)
Players with passports from outside the European Union and the European Economic Area need permission to work in the UK.
A club need to have applied for a permit prior to the window closing.
The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
That last bit is obviously open to interpretation but I’m not sure it’s any harder really than Scotland?
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And it says there it’s a points based system.
This bit would probably snooker him alone.
‘
Please note that, in order to secure leave to remain under Tiers 2 and 5 of the PBS, in addition to securing a GBE and being assigned with a Certificate of Sponsorship, an individual will also have to meet any other criteria as set by the Home Office. For example, applications under Tier 2 will have to be supported by evidence that the player has met the English language requirement set by the Home Office.’
posted on 21/2/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
‘So these more stringent rules in England are from the FA and not the home office?
He'd have no problem getting one if he moved to England.’
You have to get an endorsement for a WP from the governing body-he wouldn’t automatically qualify and the appeals process makes it-I’m sure from what I read-nigh on impossible for him.
So, no, he wouldn’t qualify for a work permit. Certainly not right now.
The endorsement from the SFA is based on 3 people agreeing that a player would be an asset to our game. It’s complwtely different.
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He quite literally has a work permit in the UK
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You quite literally didn’t realise he would need to reapply and that there’s different criteria.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 21 seconds ago
I’ve read a bit on it there and there’s the usual criteria of international apps.
There’s also a median transfer fee criteria.
I’m not sure it’s a certainty he wouldn’t get one. So while it may be slightly harder , it’s no certainty he wouldn’t get one.
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It’s on a points based system for the appeal, and he wouldn’t currently have enough points from memory.
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“Where applicable, a club’s application to register a player has to be accompanied by evidence to allow the League to demonstrate that the player may take up employment in the UK.
The League will not confirm the player is eligible to play for the club applying to register him until it has received such evidence. (Rule U.13)
Players with passports from outside the European Union and the European Economic Area need permission to work in the UK.
A club need to have applied for a permit prior to the window closing.
The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
That last bit is obviously open to interpretation but I’m not sure it’s any harder really than Scotland?
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And it says there it’s a points based system.
This bit would probably snooker him alone.
‘
Please note that, in order to secure leave to remain under Tiers 2 and 5 of the PBS, in addition to securing a GBE and being assigned with a Certificate of Sponsorship, an individual will also have to meet any other criteria as set by the Home Office. For example, applications under Tier 2 will have to be supported by evidence that the player has met the English language requirement set by the Home Office.’
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I think he speaks more English than he lets on
Povhettino managed here for years before speaking English allegedly.
You might be right I dunno but I’m not sure it’s as clear cut as you seem to think
posted on 21/2/19
More importantly either way, the longer he stays at gers the better imo . That said, if he does go we want top dollar be that from England or Europe
posted on 21/2/19
I'm sure there is a rule that if u play over 75% of the games for your current team u automatically qualify for a work permit of a new contract?
posted on 21/2/19
It’s definitely done on a points basis, as is the appeal. He has to have enough points on the appeal before it’s even considered by the exceptions panel.
Like I said, from memory, he was a fair bit off the exceptions points required.
We don’t have that in Scottish football.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 19 seconds ago
I'm sure there is a rule that if u play over 75% of the games for your current team u automatically qualify for a work permit of a new contract?
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That might apply with your current club-but he’s having to apply for a new permit with a new club.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
It’s definitely done on a points basis, as is the appeal. He has to have enough points on the appeal before it’s even considered by the exceptions panel.
Like I said, from memory, he was a fair bit off the exceptions points required.
We don’t have that in Scottish football.
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That’s not what I took from reading that part I quoted. I took it as if you fail the points then you go to the exceptions panel.
Fao nnh I think it was, three arrested over John beaton abuse following last old firm. Apologies if it wasn’t you who asked recently about what happened to them
posted on 21/2/19
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
posted on 21/2/19
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
posted on 21/2/19
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 3 minutes ago
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Have you actually looked at the handbook?
posted on 21/2/19
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 5 minutes ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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That doesn’t make sense. He’d be moving to england. Why would the English FA award points for him moving to their league?!
posted on 21/2/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 3 minutes ago
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Have you actually looked at the handbook?
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I’ve only read that bit that I quoted
posted on 21/2/19
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 6 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Sjb1888 (U5188)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Partick Bateman (U14112)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Sjb1888 (U5188)
posted 9 seconds ago
If only he wasn't a rabid little savage who can't be trusted to finish a game.
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I wonder if you would use the word “savage” to describe a white player.
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Wonder no more, yes I would.
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Cool. It’s just very telling that you used a word which denotes someone as primitive and uncivilised to describe a black South American man. Certainly the language of “othering” at best and outright racism at worst.
Typical of the sort of scheidt Morelos has had to put up with since coming to Scotland.
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No, I'd say he mearly fits the description.
Dictionary result for savage
1. fierce, violent, and uncontrolled.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
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There a few other factors that you can gain points on however he would get the 6 points 3 from going to the epl, 3 from earning a wage higher than 33% of the squad
posted on 21/2/19
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 3 minutes ago
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Have you actually looked at the handbook?
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I’ve only read that bit that I quoted
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When you go into it, it explains things a bit more.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
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There a few other factors that you can gain points on however he would get the 6 points 3 from going to the epl, 3 from earning a wage higher than 33% of the squad
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Points
The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is above the 75th percentile of Qualifying Transfers1.
3 points
The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th percentile (inclusive) of Qualifying Transfers1.
2 points
The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are above the 75th percentile of Qualifying Wages.
3 points
The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th percentile (inclusive) of Qualifying Wages.
2 points
The player’s current club is in a Top League and the player has played in 30% or more of the Available Minutes.
1 point
The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of a Continental Competition within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the Available Minutes.
1 point
He needs 4 points from that table for the panel to consider.
Or a total of 5 from that first lot and then this one:
Criteria
Points
The value of the Transfer Fee being paid for the player is within 20% of the 50th percentile of Qualifying Transfers1.
1 point
Players2 for whom no transfer fee is payable who have been ascribed a virtual transfer value (on such basis and in such amount as the Exceptions Panel deems to be appropriate in its absolute discretion) which exceeds the value which is 20% below the 50th percentile of Qualifying Transfers
1 point
The Wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are within 20% of the 50th percentile of Qualifying Wages.
1 point
The player’s current club is in a Secondary League and the player has played in at least 30% of the Available Minutes.
1 point
The player’s current club has played in the final qualification rounds of a Continental Competition within the last 12 months and the player has played in at least 30% of the Available Minutes.
1 point
The applicant club is able to show3 that the player has participated in the Secondary Percentage4 of senior Competitive International Matches5 played by that player’s National Association during the Reference Period.
OR
The player’s National Association was a semi-finalist in the Asian Cup or African Cup of Nations in the immediately preceding 12 months of the date of the application for a GBE.
If the National Association is ranked outside the top 60 in the FIFA Aggregated World Rankings at the time of the application, the club must be able to show3 that the player participated in 75% or more4 of the Competitive International Matches5 played by the National Association during the Reference Period.
1 point
There’s other qualifying parts to that as well.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
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There a few other factors that you can gain points on however he would get the 6 points 3 from going to the epl, 3 from earning a wage higher than 33% of the squad
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I don’t think it’s clear cut he would fail it
posted on 21/2/19
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by orange sherbet (U21919)
posted 6 seconds ago
Also under the appeal for a work permit if u are moving to a top 5 European league (going by co-efficient) And the transfer fee is higher than the average fee for the league OR will be earning a wage higher than 33% of the club (including reserve and youth players) there are other factors you can qualify for but the above ones are most likely that he will pass on. It's a point based appeal and you get 3 points for joining a top 5 league, and 3 points for the transfer amount and 3 points for the wage. You need 6 points to pass the appeal process
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Mentioned the median transfer fee thing earlier
Problem with that is tho, wtf is the epl median. Could be crazy high
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There a few other factors that you can gain points on however he would get the 6 points 3 from going to the epl, 3 from earning a wage higher than 33% of the squad
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I don’t think it’s clear cut he would fail it
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Sherbet doesn’t have the correct points.
posted on 21/2/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Ibrox Elite (U5255)
posted 3 minutes ago
“The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p551 of the Premier League Handbook 2018/19 (Download PDF, size: 8.39MB))
If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.”
”
Defo doesn’t read to me that you need to have certain points to go to exceptions panel.
Quite the opposite in fact.
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Have you actually looked at the handbook?
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I’ve only read that bit that I quoted
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When you go into it, it explains things a bit more.
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I’ll take your word for it
He’s going to struggle to get into Colombian team while he’s still playing in Scotland given his current form and just one call up so if your right then he ain’t going to epl anytime soon.
That’s probably good news for us gers fans but he could still go to a France or Germany for decent money tho he’s always said he wants to play in epl
posted on 21/2/19
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