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Worse before it gets better?

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posted on 25/2/19

Mersey
You beat me to it....

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posted on 25/2/19

Can only get better,now we are finally rid of one of the worst managers in our history.
We can now play to our strengths and hopefully results will come.
Puel would have taken us down and players would have left,just shame its taken so long.
As said before he should have gone after Newport.

posted on 25/2/19

thorney, when you say he's been one of the worst managers in our history, I'm curious how you compare him to:
Pleat
Taylor
Levein
Allen
Megson
Holloway
Sousa

And that's just from the 90s onward.

I'm not particularly fussed he's gone, but to put him down as one of our worst ever managers when he's never had us in a relegation battle from the Prem while turning over an aging legendary side into a youthful one with good potential for whoever takes over permanently is surely harsh?

posted on 25/2/19

I completely agree Dunge, Puel has to be congratulated for a couple of things during his tenure, also as you say we have not been flirting with relegation etc.
So I cant agree with Thorneys opinion at all, he is definitely NOT one of our worst ever, but he certainly isn't one of our best either.

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posted on 25/2/19

Those have got what they want are now complaining because they got their man out halfway throw the project.
The big danger now is we will scrap the youngster policy let the team play round Vardy who has now missed 13 good chances more than double the lat two seasons.
Let Kaspers dad appoint the new manager or at least train him how to stop a shot.
All the mendy haters out there we are now only playing 1 DM and how many goals have we shipped in the last two games without him how are you going to blame him for that?

posted on 25/2/19

Nev - That's the other side of the coin. He may have been the style of manager we wanted in terms of bringing through youth talent, but are you really convinced he was one of the best at it? Are we going to see Chelsea chasing after him down the Eurotunnel waving a contract?

As for Mendy, all we've seen over the last couple of games is one unbalanced midfield being exchanged for another unbalanced midfield. Although at least we live in hope that this new one can address its issues and improve. He's still not good enough and should be moved on in the summer.

posted on 25/2/19

I think with having so many youngsters and players without much Premier League experience the inconsistency will continue but the rot stops now, even the pundits ( although at least 6 months behind ) have realised Puel’s possession football is wrong for us, the problem is it’s just ignorant and downright lazy to think all we were/ are just a pump it up to Vardy Team.

I’d also like to congratulate Top in what must have been a very difficult decision and one that he probably didn’t want to make but he stepped up, that’s all we can ask.

As we all know, once again the difficult part is the next decision and it’s massive, get the wrong man in and with a squad with massive potential but ultimately fragile squad as we’ve seen it could go disastrously wrong.

Evolution over Revolution was always a more secure route but Puel was unbending in his direction except when he needed the points which led to his downfall.

PS one of the worst Managers considering the squad and resources at his disposal.

posted on 25/2/19

True blue, thats my argument, based on squad , resources and fan base, i think he is one of the worst.
had he stayed he would have been a bad as Taylor,yes we have had some bad managers, but i would still have as one of the worst.

posted on 25/2/19

To answer Nev specifically, that is in essence the point of my post.

We can’t scrap the plan. That is a club plan not a manager plan.

You can’t argue that Puel was successfully executing the club’s plan. He wasn’t.

However, we now need to find a way of getting some short term results whilst getting the plan back on track. For me we have to play more to Vardy’s strengths. I worry that we can’t easily with the squad we now have without totally disrupting the plan. That’s the hard bit.

Right now we need balance. I’m happy puel is gone because he was slowly destroying our premier league credentials. Make no mistake, he was getting us relegated eventually if he stayed, it was so blatently broken and poisonous.

However, I’m totally with you in that it’s now a mess. A hard mess to sort out. Eeeek!

comment by Vulpes (U6011)

posted on 25/2/19

Picking up on Thorney's point about bad or worst managers, perhaps a more relevant question when it comes to a new appointment and assessing their progress, is how many successful managers have we had in the history of the club?

In the last 60 years, I reckon possibly 5:
Matt Gillies, Jimmy Bloomfield, Martin O'Neil, Nigel Pearson (though not at top level) and Claudio Ranieri (wonderfully, but briefly).

In that same period we've had 27 full time managers, which shows how difficult it is getting the right fit. What looks right in theory often just doesn't click.

Whoever it is, with a hit rate of under 20%, it's always going to be a bit of a risk. Maybe something to bear in mind...





posted on 25/2/19

We have greatly raised our standards and expectations.
Only Ranieri and O Neil actually won anything,although we did win a league cup just before my time i believe ,not sure if that was under Gillies.
I just remember Gillies being hounded out, and Bloomfield had some great players, lots of attractive football,four England players, but didnt win anything.
How things have changed,does a manager have to win something to be successful ?
I actually think we could have won something or at least got to a cup final under Puel, but he massively misjudged and ultimately failed badly.

posted on 25/2/19

we also forget in three of the last four seasons we have been in the relegation places

comment by Vulpes (U6011)

posted on 25/2/19

comment by thorneyfox (U5061)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
We have greatly raised our standards and expectations.
Only Ranieri and O Neil actually won anything,although we did win a league cup just before my time i believe ,not sure if that was under Gillies.
I just remember Gillies being hounded out, and Bloomfield had some great players, lots of attractive football,four England players, but didnt win anything.
How things have changed,does a manager have to win something to be successful ?
I actually think we could have won something or at least got to a cup final under Puel, but he massively misjudged and ultimately failed badly.
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Thorney, the League cup win in the sixties was under Gillies, who also took us to 3 FA cup finals and one League cup final, which we sadly lost. He also famously took us tantalisingly close to the double in 62/63 and kept us in the top flight for over a decade. In the context of our club's history, that's success.

I don't think it's essential to win silverware to be considered successful, just a good league position and hope of cup success (through taking the cups seriously!). Oh, and football that keeps you awake.

posted on 25/2/19

I sincerely hope that it will be better - how much worse are you thinking about based on our current form?

posted on 25/2/19

And that there lies the major concern Nuneaton!

posted on 25/2/19

I don’t want to appear to be clever here but Matt Gillies left after Bert Johnson went from the club, more or less in protest at his departure. Gillies himself hadn’t been in the best of health for some time and Johnson’s leaving hardly helped matters. Matt Gillies took City to 2 FA Cup Finals, the 3rd being under Frank O’ Farrell but essentially using Gillies’ players.

posted on 25/2/19

comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
I sincerely hope that it will be better - how much worse are you thinking about based on our current form?


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Bookmarking this for when we finish bottom in a couple of years time

posted on 25/2/19

comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Nuneaton_fox (U7936)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
I sincerely hope that it will be better - how much worse are you thinking about based on our current form?


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Bookmarking this for when we finish bottom in a couple of years time
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I'm talking of course about current form which is why Claude got sacked. There was no need to get rid of Puel based on being in a relegation struggle - yet.

Naturally if we took present form to next season we'd be in trouble.

comment by Vulpes (U6011)

posted on 25/2/19

Downsouf, of course you're right, he'd gone that season, I always seem to think it was him because of that team. Apologies to Frank, should have won it too...

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