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comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
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comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
Not saying it will happen but just for the sake of argument if we don't re invest money from sales and it all has to go towards the stadium our starting 11 could look like this
****************Hugo**************
**Trips**Sanchez**Foyth** Davies**
**********Winks*Dier*******
********Sonny**Dele***Moura
***************Kane***************
Bench.... KWP, Lamela, Sissoko, L'Lorente, Skipp, Gonzo, Sterling, Parrott etc
That aint great
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We are seriously facked if that’s our line up going into next season
No better than 6th
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It won’t be though would it.
Verts isn’t going, there’s been no links or rumours bar the op so Verts will be in starting line up.
Where’s Aurier & Rose or we selling them too without replacing?
I could do a line up with the full U18s players and just put if we sell everyone and not replace we’d end up with that.
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Sorry, forgot Aurier but wouldn't be shocked if Rose left this summer now he got his head down and regained some fitness. I don't suppos all that stuff about him wanting to go back up North has just disappeared.
Don't get your argument about no links re Verts so he wont be leaving yet we haven't been linked with anyone for 18 months, have no money, a massive stadium to pay for yet you think there will be replacements for any players that leave..... I'm not convinced
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We haven’t been linked with anyone for 18 months?
For starters we signed Lucas just over a year ago and since then have been linked with dozens of players.
So in your mind you think we are selling about 6 first team players and won’t sign anyone?
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I have no idea but based upon FACTS, what Poch has said and the way Levy behaves I'm not expecting much, if anything... Hope I'm wrong
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They aren’t facts
Did I miss something over the past 2 windows ? & was i dreaming that we decided that 11mln quid was more important that keeping Dembele for a LC Semi, Fight for Top 4 and a run at the CL ?
Dembele wanted to go and couldn’t even stay fit anyway.
You mentioned 18 months yet we signed someone and been linked with many more.
We aren’t going to leave ourselves with a squad of 16 players like you seem to think.
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
Dembele wanted to go and couldn’t even stay fit anyway.
You mentioned 18 months yet we signed someone and been linked with many more.
We aren’t going to leave ourselves with a squad of 16 players like you seem to think.
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Don't wanna argue about it, Just think we are likely to see promotion of young players ala Winks Skipp, Foyth, KWP, Sterling & Parrott Etc than we are to see established internationals coming in to replace the Likes of Toby, Eriksen and Jan (if as the OP speculates) he's approaching the last year and new deal cant be agreed. Like I said. I could see us looking more for the next Dele whether it be Dack at Blackburn, The winger at Hull or as was the case last summer (Grealish).
Even in the best case scenario of huge revenue generation from the new stadium I cant see us feeling the benefit of attracting a higher calibre of players for a couple of years
Good debate though
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
Not saying it will happen but just for the sake of argument if we don't re invest money from sales and it all has to go towards the stadium our starting 11 could look like this
****************Hugo**************
**Trips**Sanchez**Foyth** Davies**
**********Winks*Dier*******
********Sonny**Dele***Moura
***************Kane***************
Bench.... KWP, Lamela, Sissoko, L'Lorente, Skipp, Gonzo, Sterling, Parrott etc
That aint great
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We are seriously facked if that’s our line up going into next season
No better than 6th
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It won’t be though would it.
Verts isn’t going, there’s been no links or rumours bar the op so Verts will be in starting line up.
Where’s Aurier & Rose or we selling them too without replacing?
I could do a line up with the full U18s players and just put if we sell everyone and not replace we’d end up with that.
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OMG I can't believe Spurs are gonna sell every first tem playr and only kepe the U18s what a joke
Parrott is 17 no way is he getting promoted to the first team this summer
Sterling isn’t good enough and will go on loan if anything and bar Skipp we don’t have any other youngsters ready to promote ( assuming poch still doesn’t rate onomah.)
I can easily see us signing 4 players this summer but I’m still not 100% on any main player leaving.
I’ve always had the feeling Toby would see out this contract and go on a free to Ajax and see the end of his career there.
Verts isn’t going anywhere.
Eriksen I’m 50/50 on. Can only see him moving to the big two in Spain but think they might have other players they’d want first.
Point is, even if Spurs recoup £150m for Rose, Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen... they won't be able to bring in replacements of equal or greater quality for the same money.
So even if Spurs DO buy players this summer, it's still likely they'll end up with a worse team. Assuming those four leave, which isn't impossible.
Even if it's just Eriksen (£50-75m) and Alderweireld (£25m)... do you reckon Spurs would be able to find two players as good as those two for £75-100m? I doubt it.
Even breaking it down player-for player:
- If Alderweireld goes for £25m, will a replacement be available for £25m who's as good? Nope.
- If Eriksen goes for £50-75m, will a replacement be available for £50-75m who's as good? Maybe, maybe not.
- If Vertonghen goes (for any price, really), will a replacement be available for any price who's as good? Doubt it.
- If Rose goes for, I dunno, £40m ish, will a replacement be available for £40m who's as good? Maybe, maybe not.
This does of course assume that Spurs are looking for another positive net spend this summer, which certainly isn't impossible given the stadium overspend.
Same quality probably not but there are quality players out there we can get.
I’ve always said I wouldn’t bother replacing Toby, I’d move Dier back as he’s clearly a CB now as the older he’s got his mobility isn’t good enough for midfield.
£100 then would get you two very good CMs
LB, RB, CMx2(creative more effensive&Dembele mold) are musts in the summer its as simple as that. No point rushing into signing a Toby replacement who wont be as good, we'd have to pay stupid money alone for one as or nearly as good.
No doubt, Spurs are in desperate need of an effensive mudfieldor
All valid points, Only time will tell. I guess the difficulty for Spurs is that it only takes a City or United overpaying for someone and it tilts the mkt again to a point at which we cannot compete. With key players approaching the end of contracts it puts levy in a harder position to negotiate.
I agree with your point re Dier, ZZ taking the RM job and the link with Hazard puts Eriksen in different position esp if Isco stays ? Re Toby, I still think he'll end up at United on a big wage, low transfer fee as they can afford the depreciation once that contract is done..... He would make a big difference to them alongside Lindelof who needs a calm head next to him. Re Jan,.... I wasn't aware of his contract but we must keep him for next year at least if Toby goes
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 4 minutes ago
No doubt, Spurs are in desperate need of an effensive mudfieldor
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is that a midfielder who is more efficient in muddy conditions?
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 4 minutes ago
No doubt, Spurs are in desperate need of an effensive mudfieldor
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is that a midfielder who is more efficient in muddy conditions?
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U tell me m7
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
Same quality probably not but there are quality players out there we can get.
I’ve always said I wouldn’t bother replacing Toby, I’d move Dier back as he’s clearly a CB now as the older he’s got his mobility isn’t good enough for midfield.
£100 then would get you two very good CMs
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This all sounds good in theory but history tells you that only around a 3rd of new signings actually work out well.
As Spurs (like Arsenal btw) will only be bidding for the 2nd tier of available players or young unproven prospects (i.e the likes of Mbappe, Neymar etc being out of reach) they are often a big gamble and more often that not are not good enough to force their way into the first team.
Arsenal for example, a couple of summers ago signed Xhaka, Mustafi, Lucas Perez for around 80m and arguably none of those players have really succeeded. In Jan 2018 we signed Mkhi and Auba and Mkhi has been the epitomy of average so far. Last Summer was better as we got Guendouzi, Torreira and Leno.
So you can have all the best scouts in the world but if you aint got the funds to sign the finished product like say VVD then transfer windows are a massive lottery.
None of us really know who is staying and who is signing, but I would imagine a lot of players will want out, knowing they have very little chance of winning anything under the current management. Telling the world it may be 10 years before Spurs win anything is hardly condusive to keeping your best players.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
None of us really know who is staying and who is signing, but I would imagine a lot of players will want out, knowing they have very little chance of winning anything under the current management. Telling the world it may be 10 years before Spurs win anything is hardly condusive to keeping your best players.
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Although he never said that though.
He said our mentality needs changing which could take 5 years work/ 10 years work to change to win the title.
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
None of us really know who is staying and who is signing, but I would imagine a lot of players will want out, knowing they have very little chance of winning anything under the current management. Telling the world it may be 10 years before Spurs win anything is hardly condusive to keeping your best players.
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Although he never said that though.
He said our mentality needs changing which could take 5 years work/ 10 years work to change to win the title.
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Would say that signing players with proven winning mentality (i.e medals on the sideboard) can only help the club speed up the 5 -10 years that Poch alluded to. If however, it is a historical club mentality to accept not winning a trophy rather than the players then that is a different argument all together. For example, the club would need to hire coaches, directors, physios etc with a winning philosophy to drive the club forward. New contracts would need clauses inserted where bonuses are only provided if certain targets are achieved for example.
Arsenal I think fell away in that respect towards Wenger's final years as we almost accepted not winning anything as were paying off the stadium. Spurs should not fall into that trap as otherwise Poch could be right and you could have many years of relative failure as you pay off your stadium debts.
I`d like to think we are already working hard on our summer incomings to bring some in early, like when we brought in Modric, that went completely under the radar.
Vertonghen will stay another season, and maybe another after that depending on his levels as father time catches up with him. There is no way Madrid would come in for him, they will probably be taking Van Dyke.
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
I`d like to think we are already working hard on our summer incomings to bring some in early, like when we brought in Modric, that went completely under the radar.
Vertonghen will stay another season, and maybe another after that depending on his levels as father time catches up with him. There is no way Madrid would come in for him, they will probably be taking Van Dyke.
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Yes Billy, I reckon VVD will be their number one defensive target.
I dont think this is something to worry about
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 24 seconds ago
I dont think this is something to worry about
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Finally
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 22 seconds ago
I dont think this is something to worry about
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doesnt take anything for most people to worry on here
There is no doubt that Levy is going to have to bring in at least 6 new players for next season. At least.
I've posted about this with the names needed replacing elsewhere.
The question is what cheapskate deals he's going to try to land on Pochettino this time?
Meanwhile we have a Cl quarter final coming up...all is not lost this season...not quite yet!
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posted on 13/3/19
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 58 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
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comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
Not saying it will happen but just for the sake of argument if we don't re invest money from sales and it all has to go towards the stadium our starting 11 could look like this
****************Hugo**************
**Trips**Sanchez**Foyth** Davies**
**********Winks*Dier*******
********Sonny**Dele***Moura
***************Kane***************
Bench.... KWP, Lamela, Sissoko, L'Lorente, Skipp, Gonzo, Sterling, Parrott etc
That aint great
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We are seriously facked if that’s our line up going into next season
No better than 6th
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It won’t be though would it.
Verts isn’t going, there’s been no links or rumours bar the op so Verts will be in starting line up.
Where’s Aurier & Rose or we selling them too without replacing?
I could do a line up with the full U18s players and just put if we sell everyone and not replace we’d end up with that.
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Sorry, forgot Aurier but wouldn't be shocked if Rose left this summer now he got his head down and regained some fitness. I don't suppos all that stuff about him wanting to go back up North has just disappeared.
Don't get your argument about no links re Verts so he wont be leaving yet we haven't been linked with anyone for 18 months, have no money, a massive stadium to pay for yet you think there will be replacements for any players that leave..... I'm not convinced
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We haven’t been linked with anyone for 18 months?
For starters we signed Lucas just over a year ago and since then have been linked with dozens of players.
So in your mind you think we are selling about 6 first team players and won’t sign anyone?
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I have no idea but based upon FACTS, what Poch has said and the way Levy behaves I'm not expecting much, if anything... Hope I'm wrong
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They aren’t facts
posted on 13/3/19
Did I miss something over the past 2 windows ? & was i dreaming that we decided that 11mln quid was more important that keeping Dembele for a LC Semi, Fight for Top 4 and a run at the CL ?
posted on 13/3/19
Dembele wanted to go and couldn’t even stay fit anyway.
You mentioned 18 months yet we signed someone and been linked with many more.
We aren’t going to leave ourselves with a squad of 16 players like you seem to think.
posted on 13/3/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
Dembele wanted to go and couldn’t even stay fit anyway.
You mentioned 18 months yet we signed someone and been linked with many more.
We aren’t going to leave ourselves with a squad of 16 players like you seem to think.
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Don't wanna argue about it, Just think we are likely to see promotion of young players ala Winks Skipp, Foyth, KWP, Sterling & Parrott Etc than we are to see established internationals coming in to replace the Likes of Toby, Eriksen and Jan (if as the OP speculates) he's approaching the last year and new deal cant be agreed. Like I said. I could see us looking more for the next Dele whether it be Dack at Blackburn, The winger at Hull or as was the case last summer (Grealish).
Even in the best case scenario of huge revenue generation from the new stadium I cant see us feeling the benefit of attracting a higher calibre of players for a couple of years
Good debate though
posted on 13/3/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 hour, 49 minutes ago
Not saying it will happen but just for the sake of argument if we don't re invest money from sales and it all has to go towards the stadium our starting 11 could look like this
****************Hugo**************
**Trips**Sanchez**Foyth** Davies**
**********Winks*Dier*******
********Sonny**Dele***Moura
***************Kane***************
Bench.... KWP, Lamela, Sissoko, L'Lorente, Skipp, Gonzo, Sterling, Parrott etc
That aint great
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We are seriously facked if that’s our line up going into next season
No better than 6th
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It won’t be though would it.
Verts isn’t going, there’s been no links or rumours bar the op so Verts will be in starting line up.
Where’s Aurier & Rose or we selling them too without replacing?
I could do a line up with the full U18s players and just put if we sell everyone and not replace we’d end up with that.
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OMG I can't believe Spurs are gonna sell every first tem playr and only kepe the U18s what a joke
posted on 13/3/19
Parrott is 17 no way is he getting promoted to the first team this summer
Sterling isn’t good enough and will go on loan if anything and bar Skipp we don’t have any other youngsters ready to promote ( assuming poch still doesn’t rate onomah.)
I can easily see us signing 4 players this summer but I’m still not 100% on any main player leaving.
I’ve always had the feeling Toby would see out this contract and go on a free to Ajax and see the end of his career there.
Verts isn’t going anywhere.
Eriksen I’m 50/50 on. Can only see him moving to the big two in Spain but think they might have other players they’d want first.
posted on 13/3/19
Point is, even if Spurs recoup £150m for Rose, Alderweireld, Vertonghen and Eriksen... they won't be able to bring in replacements of equal or greater quality for the same money.
So even if Spurs DO buy players this summer, it's still likely they'll end up with a worse team. Assuming those four leave, which isn't impossible.
Even if it's just Eriksen (£50-75m) and Alderweireld (£25m)... do you reckon Spurs would be able to find two players as good as those two for £75-100m? I doubt it.
posted on 13/3/19
Even breaking it down player-for player:
- If Alderweireld goes for £25m, will a replacement be available for £25m who's as good? Nope.
- If Eriksen goes for £50-75m, will a replacement be available for £50-75m who's as good? Maybe, maybe not.
- If Vertonghen goes (for any price, really), will a replacement be available for any price who's as good? Doubt it.
- If Rose goes for, I dunno, £40m ish, will a replacement be available for £40m who's as good? Maybe, maybe not.
This does of course assume that Spurs are looking for another positive net spend this summer, which certainly isn't impossible given the stadium overspend.
posted on 13/3/19
Same quality probably not but there are quality players out there we can get.
I’ve always said I wouldn’t bother replacing Toby, I’d move Dier back as he’s clearly a CB now as the older he’s got his mobility isn’t good enough for midfield.
£100 then would get you two very good CMs
posted on 13/3/19
Fingers crossed, eh
posted on 13/3/19
LB, RB, CMx2(creative more effensive&Dembele mold) are musts in the summer its as simple as that. No point rushing into signing a Toby replacement who wont be as good, we'd have to pay stupid money alone for one as or nearly as good.
posted on 13/3/19
No doubt, Spurs are in desperate need of an effensive mudfieldor
posted on 13/3/19
All valid points, Only time will tell. I guess the difficulty for Spurs is that it only takes a City or United overpaying for someone and it tilts the mkt again to a point at which we cannot compete. With key players approaching the end of contracts it puts levy in a harder position to negotiate.
I agree with your point re Dier, ZZ taking the RM job and the link with Hazard puts Eriksen in different position esp if Isco stays ? Re Toby, I still think he'll end up at United on a big wage, low transfer fee as they can afford the depreciation once that contract is done..... He would make a big difference to them alongside Lindelof who needs a calm head next to him. Re Jan,.... I wasn't aware of his contract but we must keep him for next year at least if Toby goes
posted on 13/3/19
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 4 minutes ago
No doubt, Spurs are in desperate need of an effensive mudfieldor
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is that a midfielder who is more efficient in muddy conditions?
posted on 13/3/19
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 4 minutes ago
No doubt, Spurs are in desperate need of an effensive mudfieldor
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is that a midfielder who is more efficient in muddy conditions?
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U tell me m7
posted on 13/3/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
Same quality probably not but there are quality players out there we can get.
I’ve always said I wouldn’t bother replacing Toby, I’d move Dier back as he’s clearly a CB now as the older he’s got his mobility isn’t good enough for midfield.
£100 then would get you two very good CMs
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This all sounds good in theory but history tells you that only around a 3rd of new signings actually work out well.
As Spurs (like Arsenal btw) will only be bidding for the 2nd tier of available players or young unproven prospects (i.e the likes of Mbappe, Neymar etc being out of reach) they are often a big gamble and more often that not are not good enough to force their way into the first team.
Arsenal for example, a couple of summers ago signed Xhaka, Mustafi, Lucas Perez for around 80m and arguably none of those players have really succeeded. In Jan 2018 we signed Mkhi and Auba and Mkhi has been the epitomy of average so far. Last Summer was better as we got Guendouzi, Torreira and Leno.
So you can have all the best scouts in the world but if you aint got the funds to sign the finished product like say VVD then transfer windows are a massive lottery.
posted on 13/3/19
None of us really know who is staying and who is signing, but I would imagine a lot of players will want out, knowing they have very little chance of winning anything under the current management. Telling the world it may be 10 years before Spurs win anything is hardly condusive to keeping your best players.
posted on 13/3/19
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
None of us really know who is staying and who is signing, but I would imagine a lot of players will want out, knowing they have very little chance of winning anything under the current management. Telling the world it may be 10 years before Spurs win anything is hardly condusive to keeping your best players.
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Although he never said that though.
He said our mentality needs changing which could take 5 years work/ 10 years work to change to win the title.
posted on 13/3/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
None of us really know who is staying and who is signing, but I would imagine a lot of players will want out, knowing they have very little chance of winning anything under the current management. Telling the world it may be 10 years before Spurs win anything is hardly condusive to keeping your best players.
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Although he never said that though.
He said our mentality needs changing which could take 5 years work/ 10 years work to change to win the title.
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Would say that signing players with proven winning mentality (i.e medals on the sideboard) can only help the club speed up the 5 -10 years that Poch alluded to. If however, it is a historical club mentality to accept not winning a trophy rather than the players then that is a different argument all together. For example, the club would need to hire coaches, directors, physios etc with a winning philosophy to drive the club forward. New contracts would need clauses inserted where bonuses are only provided if certain targets are achieved for example.
Arsenal I think fell away in that respect towards Wenger's final years as we almost accepted not winning anything as were paying off the stadium. Spurs should not fall into that trap as otherwise Poch could be right and you could have many years of relative failure as you pay off your stadium debts.
posted on 13/3/19
I`d like to think we are already working hard on our summer incomings to bring some in early, like when we brought in Modric, that went completely under the radar.
Vertonghen will stay another season, and maybe another after that depending on his levels as father time catches up with him. There is no way Madrid would come in for him, they will probably be taking Van Dyke.
posted on 13/3/19
comment by Billy The Yidd (U3924)
posted 17 minutes ago
I`d like to think we are already working hard on our summer incomings to bring some in early, like when we brought in Modric, that went completely under the radar.
Vertonghen will stay another season, and maybe another after that depending on his levels as father time catches up with him. There is no way Madrid would come in for him, they will probably be taking Van Dyke.
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Yes Billy, I reckon VVD will be their number one defensive target.
posted on 13/3/19
I dont think this is something to worry about
posted on 13/3/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 24 seconds ago
I dont think this is something to worry about
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Finally
posted on 13/3/19
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 22 seconds ago
I dont think this is something to worry about
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doesnt take anything for most people to worry on here
posted on 13/3/19
There is no doubt that Levy is going to have to bring in at least 6 new players for next season. At least.
I've posted about this with the names needed replacing elsewhere.
The question is what cheapskate deals he's going to try to land on Pochettino this time?
Meanwhile we have a Cl quarter final coming up...all is not lost this season...not quite yet!
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