Second one was a result of us chasing the game and Jansson having to play upfront because he could barely run. Write that one off.
First was a complete lack of shape on our part. No credit to Sheffield. We made the goal with 5 individual defensive errors in one small 20 seconds of the game.
Rest of the game Sheffield offered nothing.
Basham had a great chance before he scored as well.
and it was Billy Sharp who rounded Kiko?
Rest of the game Sheffield offered nothing.
- on reflection a tad harsh. They did have a decent hlaf chance from Basham on his left foot edge of box and a header from a corner.
They didnt offer a great deal for a side so close to promotion.
Second one was a result of us chasing the game and Jansson having to play upfront because he could barely run. Write that one off.
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No it wasn't, second one was the goal, the first one was step Basham chance at end of first half.
and it was Billy Sharp who rounded Kiko?
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No it was Basham, first half.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 11 minutes ago
Second one was a result of us chasing the game and Jansson having to play upfront because he could barely run. Write that one off.
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No it wasn't, second one was the goal, the first one was step Basham chance at end of first half.
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So you don't consider the incident that saw your keeper sent off a great chance?
The problem is that we are trying to walk the ball into the net. We also have problem to know when we should shot or pass the ball.
On Bielsa his subs really puzzels me, when you are chasing the game and you need goals. You DON`T put on Dallas and Douglas!!!
I'm talking about 2 specific chances and the similarity in them due to space and incisive pass.
Ah yeah I’m understand what you are saying now.
The order in which you labelled them I thought you meant when Kiko brought down sharp. Completely forgot about that basham chance just before half time
Blimey when you start to reflect more you realise that Sheff Utd did create arguably the better chances on the day
comment by Norwayleedsforever (U10023)
posted 54 minutes ago
The problem is that we are trying to walk the ball into the net. We also have problem to know when we should shot or pass the ball.
On Bielsa his subs really puzzels me, when you are chasing the game and you need goals. You DON`T put on Dallas and Douglas!!!
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The fact that Bielsa decided Dallas and Douglas were our best subs options shows how poor our squad is, and reinforces what a massive cock-up it was not to strengthen the side in the January window.
Kebab I thought it was startling how much space and how one pass split us open compared to our attacks which are more like an ice hockey power play where we’re passing it around a massed defence hoping for an opening and yesterday it just didn’t work.
Exactly right Jonty. Whilst we play some great football and passing. Yesterday showed how fast we needed to get the ball into their box with one or two passes rather than be so intricate to get that first goal. Then play the possession football. That's why we don't lose when scoring first. This league needs direct football at times as you say with one decisive pass.
Jonty I do think having a consistent goalscoring midfielder would help that scenario, a p,Bayer who can test the keeper from range and draw out the defense.
Swansea goal, watch from 2:48, great passing like us, but look at speed and space they create.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OegFa-44Oig
pace is clearly missing for us, but we give too much space and we don't create enough space.
Not sure what the big secret here is. It’s happened all season. We push high up the pitch with fullbacks practically wingers... if sides beat the press which they usually don’t, there is a lot of space to exploit. We’re trying to pick locks in congestion..
It’s the bielsa ball trade off. Field position and possession... switch play, try and break sides down whilst dominating possession. Opposing side get fewer chances but often better ones.
Yesterday we had the better chances though, we just couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo.
But we created good chances. Not sure what the point is supposed to be. That we should change up our style of play that has served us so well all season to a quicker one? Even though we are creating good goalscoring opportunities every single game?
Sheff Utd only had loads of space for the goal because it came from a defensive mistake. It was a hoof from the back that Cooper miscontrolled. They didn't create any good chances through build up play. They got lucky that we made a mistake and that we didn't score one of our 4 good chances.
comment by Norwayleedsforever (U10023)
posted 5 hours, 33 minutes ago
The problem is that we are trying to walk the ball into the net. We also have problem to know when we should shot or pass the ball.
On Bielsa his subs really puzzels me, when you are chasing the game and you need goals. You DON`T put on Dallas and Douglas!!!
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Totally agree with this
Milky, no secret, as title says it’s glaringly obvious.
Best I’m not advocating change of style at this point but saying at some point ie end of season, it’s worth looking at how effective this style is that Beats us using quick longer forward passing with pace to exploit space before team gets 10 men back.
It's a style of play that has us challenging for auto promotion and has got the fans passionate and expectant in every match.
We missed sitters and paid the price. That simple.
Sheff Utd are not a good footballing side, they are hoof and chase.
Just purely unlucky on sat, we'll finish above them
Our chances weren't sitters, this is the problem, we don't create enough clear cut chances, they're sort of half chances, ie we're in the box with 6 defenders packed in there, not clear cut most of time and certainly not yesterday.
Swansea goal was not long ball at all, they completely out passed Man City.
We have the possession, I just don't think we have the quality at times and definitely not the pace.
We switch play from side to side well, but I feel if we move it forwards more at pace rather than sideways, we'd be even more effective.
Hopefully get some pace in the summer and hope Bielsa will still be here.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Milky, no secret, as title says it’s glaringly obvious.
Best I’m not advocating change of style at this point but saying at some point ie end of season, it’s worth looking at how effective this style is that Beats us using quick longer forward passing with pace to exploit space before team gets 10 men back.
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I think bielsa looks at players who can play his system first and foremost and individual quality second. The introduction of Clarke and desire to get in James suggests that direct width and pace are where he recognises, and most would agree, that we need that bit extra. I think we move the ball quick enough when we have the chance but lack the top quality, Pablo aside, to make the best use of it.
For example, I really like Alioski as a ‘fullback’ if you can ever really call him that - because he can find himself space. I really don’t rate him as a winger because he can only do the keep-ball aspect. His final ball is too erratic as well.
Guys with pace quality and football brain don’t come cheap sadly!
Agree with that last bit Jonty. It's quality more than anything - too often we are in a great position and the pass isn't good enough or the wrong option. Usual suspects are Alioksi Harrison Klich. Not knocking them, they've done great but you think if we had someone with a bit more composure. And pace too, Dan James would have been very useful to just get that extra bit of space.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Our chances weren't sitters, this is the problem, we don't create enough clear cut chances, they're sort of half chances, ie we're in the box with 6 defenders packed in there, not clear cut most of time and certainly not yesterday.
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posted on 17/3/19
Second one was a result of us chasing the game and Jansson having to play upfront because he could barely run. Write that one off.
First was a complete lack of shape on our part. No credit to Sheffield. We made the goal with 5 individual defensive errors in one small 20 seconds of the game.
Rest of the game Sheffield offered nothing.
posted on 17/3/19
Basham had a great chance before he scored as well.
posted on 17/3/19
and it was Billy Sharp who rounded Kiko?
posted on 17/3/19
Rest of the game Sheffield offered nothing.
- on reflection a tad harsh. They did have a decent hlaf chance from Basham on his left foot edge of box and a header from a corner.
They didnt offer a great deal for a side so close to promotion.
posted on 17/3/19
Second one was a result of us chasing the game and Jansson having to play upfront because he could barely run. Write that one off.
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No it wasn't, second one was the goal, the first one was step Basham chance at end of first half.
posted on 17/3/19
and it was Billy Sharp who rounded Kiko?
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No it was Basham, first half.
posted on 17/3/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 11 minutes ago
Second one was a result of us chasing the game and Jansson having to play upfront because he could barely run. Write that one off.
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No it wasn't, second one was the goal, the first one was step Basham chance at end of first half.
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So you don't consider the incident that saw your keeper sent off a great chance?
posted on 17/3/19
The problem is that we are trying to walk the ball into the net. We also have problem to know when we should shot or pass the ball.
On Bielsa his subs really puzzels me, when you are chasing the game and you need goals. You DON`T put on Dallas and Douglas!!!
posted on 17/3/19
I'm talking about 2 specific chances and the similarity in them due to space and incisive pass.
posted on 17/3/19
Ah yeah I’m understand what you are saying now.
The order in which you labelled them I thought you meant when Kiko brought down sharp. Completely forgot about that basham chance just before half time
Blimey when you start to reflect more you realise that Sheff Utd did create arguably the better chances on the day
posted on 17/3/19
comment by Norwayleedsforever (U10023)
posted 54 minutes ago
The problem is that we are trying to walk the ball into the net. We also have problem to know when we should shot or pass the ball.
On Bielsa his subs really puzzels me, when you are chasing the game and you need goals. You DON`T put on Dallas and Douglas!!!
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The fact that Bielsa decided Dallas and Douglas were our best subs options shows how poor our squad is, and reinforces what a massive cock-up it was not to strengthen the side in the January window.
posted on 17/3/19
Kebab I thought it was startling how much space and how one pass split us open compared to our attacks which are more like an ice hockey power play where we’re passing it around a massed defence hoping for an opening and yesterday it just didn’t work.
posted on 17/3/19
Exactly right Jonty. Whilst we play some great football and passing. Yesterday showed how fast we needed to get the ball into their box with one or two passes rather than be so intricate to get that first goal. Then play the possession football. That's why we don't lose when scoring first. This league needs direct football at times as you say with one decisive pass.
posted on 17/3/19
Jonty I do think having a consistent goalscoring midfielder would help that scenario, a p,Bayer who can test the keeper from range and draw out the defense.
posted on 17/3/19
Swansea goal, watch from 2:48, great passing like us, but look at speed and space they create.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OegFa-44Oig
pace is clearly missing for us, but we give too much space and we don't create enough space.
posted on 17/3/19
Not sure what the big secret here is. It’s happened all season. We push high up the pitch with fullbacks practically wingers... if sides beat the press which they usually don’t, there is a lot of space to exploit. We’re trying to pick locks in congestion..
It’s the bielsa ball trade off. Field position and possession... switch play, try and break sides down whilst dominating possession. Opposing side get fewer chances but often better ones.
Yesterday we had the better chances though, we just couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo.
posted on 17/3/19
But we created good chances. Not sure what the point is supposed to be. That we should change up our style of play that has served us so well all season to a quicker one? Even though we are creating good goalscoring opportunities every single game?
Sheff Utd only had loads of space for the goal because it came from a defensive mistake. It was a hoof from the back that Cooper miscontrolled. They didn't create any good chances through build up play. They got lucky that we made a mistake and that we didn't score one of our 4 good chances.
posted on 17/3/19
comment by Norwayleedsforever (U10023)
posted 5 hours, 33 minutes ago
The problem is that we are trying to walk the ball into the net. We also have problem to know when we should shot or pass the ball.
On Bielsa his subs really puzzels me, when you are chasing the game and you need goals. You DON`T put on Dallas and Douglas!!!
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Totally agree with this
posted on 18/3/19
Milky, no secret, as title says it’s glaringly obvious.
Best I’m not advocating change of style at this point but saying at some point ie end of season, it’s worth looking at how effective this style is that Beats us using quick longer forward passing with pace to exploit space before team gets 10 men back.
posted on 18/3/19
It's a style of play that has us challenging for auto promotion and has got the fans passionate and expectant in every match.
posted on 18/3/19
We missed sitters and paid the price. That simple.
Sheff Utd are not a good footballing side, they are hoof and chase.
Just purely unlucky on sat, we'll finish above them
posted on 18/3/19
Our chances weren't sitters, this is the problem, we don't create enough clear cut chances, they're sort of half chances, ie we're in the box with 6 defenders packed in there, not clear cut most of time and certainly not yesterday.
Swansea goal was not long ball at all, they completely out passed Man City.
We have the possession, I just don't think we have the quality at times and definitely not the pace.
We switch play from side to side well, but I feel if we move it forwards more at pace rather than sideways, we'd be even more effective.
Hopefully get some pace in the summer and hope Bielsa will still be here.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
Milky, no secret, as title says it’s glaringly obvious.
Best I’m not advocating change of style at this point but saying at some point ie end of season, it’s worth looking at how effective this style is that Beats us using quick longer forward passing with pace to exploit space before team gets 10 men back.
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I think bielsa looks at players who can play his system first and foremost and individual quality second. The introduction of Clarke and desire to get in James suggests that direct width and pace are where he recognises, and most would agree, that we need that bit extra. I think we move the ball quick enough when we have the chance but lack the top quality, Pablo aside, to make the best use of it.
For example, I really like Alioski as a ‘fullback’ if you can ever really call him that - because he can find himself space. I really don’t rate him as a winger because he can only do the keep-ball aspect. His final ball is too erratic as well.
Guys with pace quality and football brain don’t come cheap sadly!
posted on 18/3/19
Agree with that last bit Jonty. It's quality more than anything - too often we are in a great position and the pass isn't good enough or the wrong option. Usual suspects are Alioksi Harrison Klich. Not knocking them, they've done great but you think if we had someone with a bit more composure. And pace too, Dan James would have been very useful to just get that extra bit of space.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
Our chances weren't sitters, this is the problem, we don't create enough clear cut chances, they're sort of half chances, ie we're in the box with 6 defenders packed in there, not clear cut most of time and certainly not yesterday.
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