comment by Martial FC (U11781)
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comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 58 seconds ago
Mourinho didn’t choose how much the players earn though, that’s down to Woodward. I have never ever seen anyone in the media or on here collate transfer feed with wages when it comes to a managers spend. It seems like a huge straw grasp.
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It's not really relevant to this discussion though mate. They spent a lot, fecked up, and are now making it back up from JM's mistakes.
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I agree, we wasted a lot of money since Fergie retired but I’ve never seen a manager’s transfer spend include the wages for that player. It’s desperate because it’s out of his hands how much a player earns.
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No it isn't. A director of football or a manager in the old days ALWAYS took wages into account. Fans didn't because they never understood or cared how finance worked. But as wages have grown exponentially clubs are now using it as factor in choosing their targets. So its very important in any discussion regarding the KPI of any manager!
Mourinho wanted Alexis. He knew that Alexis would be expensive. But he wanted to compete with Man City so Man Utd over paid. They didn't pay anything in transfer fees but did so in bonuses and wages. Its always been a factor.
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
That’s Sanchez though, he was part of a player swap. The other players Mourinho signed had not been.
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 minute ago
I think we should be okay for top 4 if we stop playing like caaants
We have pool and city away which are very tough and an away game v Bournemouth. Other than that we have Brighton, Palace, w Ham, Everton and Huddersfield at home.
Really should be looking at 18 points from our remaining games if we can pull our finger out.
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I agree. Think you would have to deliver freakishly bad performances not to finish 4th at very worst
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Well we’ve had our fair share of them in the last month
Whether you include wages or not, Mourinho was a disaster for the club and should have been doing significantly better than he was based on the amount of money the club had spent.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 seconds ago
Whether you include wages or not, Mourinho was a disaster for the club and should have been doing significantly better than he was based on the amount of money the club had spent.
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I’m not arguing otherwise, it’s just odd to see the wages his signings were earning being included in his transfer spend. Never seen that with any other manager.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
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RVP confirmed City offered him a bigger wage.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 seconds ago
Whether you include wages or not, Mourinho was a disaster for the club and should have been doing significantly better than he was based on the amount of money the club had spent.
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I’m not arguing otherwise, it’s just odd to see the wages his signings were earning being included in his transfer spend. Never seen that with any other manager.
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The reason why reporters don't use wages more often is because wages are very often kept secret so its amazingly difficult to make direct comparisons.
However how many time are Spurs and Poch praised for over achieving because of their lower wage budget?
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
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RVP confirmed City offered him a bigger wage.
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There you go. You are using it now!
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
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RVP confirmed City offered him a bigger wage.
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There you go. You are using it now!
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No I’m not, I’m disproving your point that Fergie offered RVP the best wage. He confirmed City did. I’m not adding it to his transfer value. Fergie spent £24m to get him. Not £24m plus however much he earned a week.
comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
3-Spurs
4-Utd
5-Arsenal
6-chelsea
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
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White Hart Lane had one of those old school , intimidating atmospheres, i'm not sure your new stadium will have the same intimidation, mainly due to 'new' football fans taking over, we'll see.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
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RVP confirmed City offered him a bigger wage.
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There you go. You are using it now!
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No I’m not, I’m disproving your point that Fergie offered RVP the best wage. He confirmed City did. I’m not adding it to his transfer value. Fergie spent £24m to get him. Not £24m plus however much he earned a week.
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You are using it now by saying that Man City offered higher wages but Fergie used his magical persuasion to join you on less wages.
You are judging Fergie on the wages he spent.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
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White Hart Lane had one of those old school , intimidating atmospheres, i'm not sure your new stadium will have the same intimidation, mainly due to 'new' football fans taking over, we'll see.
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
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White Hart Lane had one of those old school , intimidating atmospheres, i'm not sure your new stadium will have the same intimidation, mainly due to 'new' football fans taking over, we'll see.
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Yes I do.
I don't know why the Emirates isn't. It is good for the big games, other games..meh
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posted 3 minutes ago
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Arsenal stadium was designed by Populous. Not don't think they did stadium of light which is much older (not sure).
But I think the lack of atmosphere is down the gap left for air to come into the stadium for the pitch. Think Wenger was obsessed by playing conditions. So basically it doesn't allow noise to build as it did for older stadia.
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comment by Raptor✡ (U1071)
posted 3 minutes ago
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Arsenal stadium was designed by Populous. Not don't think they did stadium of light which is much older (not sure).
But I think the lack of atmosphere is down the gap left for air to come into the stadium for the pitch. Think Wenger was obsessed by playing conditions. So basically it doesn't allow noise to build as it did for older stadia.
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* you are correct they designed new rebuild in Portugal! But that doesn't have the same noise levels either I believe for the same reason!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Est%C3%A1dio_da_Luz
Architect Damon Lavelle, from HOK Sport Venue Event (now Populous), designed the stadium to focus on light and transparency.
Opened on 25 October 2003
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comment by Raptor✡ (U1071)
posted 3 minutes ago
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Arsenal stadium was designed by Populous. Not don't think they did stadium of light which is much older (not sure).
But I think the lack of atmosphere is down the gap left for air to come into the stadium for the pitch. Think Wenger was obsessed by playing conditions. So basically it doesn't allow noise to build as it did for older stadia.
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Both stadiums are more or less identical fella. I’ve done a tour of Benfica’s stadium plus seen them play Belenenses - hence my comments on the atmosphere etc, albeit it was a Lisbon Derby.
Never made a NLD at the Emirates but having seen them on TV I am reckoning it’s the same architect.
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comment by morespurs (U15748)
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comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
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White Hart Lane had one of those old school , intimidating atmospheres, i'm not sure your new stadium will have the same intimidation, mainly due to 'new' football fans taking over, we'll see.
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Highbury intimidating ...fk off we took it every yr in the 80s
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I went to a game in the early nineties where we drew 1-1. Anderton equaliser I think. I found it quite an intimidating atmosphere but I was only a nipper tbf.
It was a proper old school stadium with stands very close to the pitch like Upton Park was, and WHL to an extent.
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Both stadiums are more or less identical fella. I’ve done a tour of Benfica’s stadium plus seen them play Belenenses - hence my comments on the atmosphere etc, albeit it was a Lisbon Derby.
Never made a NLD at the Emirates but having seen them on TV I am reckoning it’s the same architect.
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I haven't been to the stadium in Lisbon but the atmospherics in the Emirates has never been very good. Yes we are a middle class bunch. Its why Highbury was called the library. But even then we could get it up in the derby or when the ref wronged us in Highbury. I am quite sure its down to the design. I remember Wenger made a big play on the quality of the pitch and that the playing surface had to be a carpet. They need air for that. Emirates is newer so maybe thats how the design evolved.
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posted on 18/3/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 58 seconds ago
Mourinho didn’t choose how much the players earn though, that’s down to Woodward. I have never ever seen anyone in the media or on here collate transfer feed with wages when it comes to a managers spend. It seems like a huge straw grasp.
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It's not really relevant to this discussion though mate. They spent a lot, fecked up, and are now making it back up from JM's mistakes.
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I agree, we wasted a lot of money since Fergie retired but I’ve never seen a manager’s transfer spend include the wages for that player. It’s desperate because it’s out of his hands how much a player earns.
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No it isn't. A director of football or a manager in the old days ALWAYS took wages into account. Fans didn't because they never understood or cared how finance worked. But as wages have grown exponentially clubs are now using it as factor in choosing their targets. So its very important in any discussion regarding the KPI of any manager!
Mourinho wanted Alexis. He knew that Alexis would be expensive. But he wanted to compete with Man City so Man Utd over paid. They didn't pay anything in transfer fees but did so in bonuses and wages. Its always been a factor.
posted on 18/3/19
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
posted on 18/3/19
That’s Sanchez though, he was part of a player swap. The other players Mourinho signed had not been.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Bats (U18355)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 minute ago
I think we should be okay for top 4 if we stop playing like caaants
We have pool and city away which are very tough and an away game v Bournemouth. Other than that we have Brighton, Palace, w Ham, Everton and Huddersfield at home.
Really should be looking at 18 points from our remaining games if we can pull our finger out.
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I agree. Think you would have to deliver freakishly bad performances not to finish 4th at very worst
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Well we’ve had our fair share of them in the last month
posted on 18/3/19
Whether you include wages or not, Mourinho was a disaster for the club and should have been doing significantly better than he was based on the amount of money the club had spent.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 seconds ago
Whether you include wages or not, Mourinho was a disaster for the club and should have been doing significantly better than he was based on the amount of money the club had spent.
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I’m not arguing otherwise, it’s just odd to see the wages his signings were earning being included in his transfer spend. Never seen that with any other manager.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
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RVP confirmed City offered him a bigger wage.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 seconds ago
Whether you include wages or not, Mourinho was a disaster for the club and should have been doing significantly better than he was based on the amount of money the club had spent.
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I’m not arguing otherwise, it’s just odd to see the wages his signings were earning being included in his transfer spend. Never seen that with any other manager.
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The reason why reporters don't use wages more often is because wages are very often kept secret so its amazingly difficult to make direct comparisons.
However how many time are Spurs and Poch praised for over achieving because of their lower wage budget?
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
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RVP confirmed City offered him a bigger wage.
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There you go. You are using it now!
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
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RVP confirmed City offered him a bigger wage.
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There you go. You are using it now!
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No I’m not, I’m disproving your point that Fergie offered RVP the best wage. He confirmed City did. I’m not adding it to his transfer value. Fergie spent £24m to get him. Not £24m plus however much he earned a week.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
posted on 18/3/19
3-Spurs
4-Utd
5-Arsenal
6-chelsea
posted on 18/3/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
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White Hart Lane had one of those old school , intimidating atmospheres, i'm not sure your new stadium will have the same intimidation, mainly due to 'new' football fans taking over, we'll see.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 33 seconds ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
How is it a huge straw to grasp? What do you think Juve's model is at the moment? They spend a lot of money on wages but try to get players on a free or spend as little as possible on transfer fees. Does that mean Juventus don't spend money?
Its just a different business model.
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Smalling, De Gea, Jones, Valencia and Young are Fergie signings that have signed numerous contract extensions since the great man retired and their wages have obviously gone up. So with that logic, Fergie’s supposed transfer spend at United goes up then?
In fact I’ve never seen Fergie’s transfer spend over his United tenure having wages included in it for the players he signed. It only seems to be you perpetuating this logic.
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Of course it does. Transfer fees are just on half of the equation. Wages are just as important.
How did Fergie attract RVP to Man Utd from Arsenal? We had offers for RVP for the same amount from numerous clubs in Europe! But the wages promised by Fergie to RVP was far greater so he chose to go to Man Utd.
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RVP confirmed City offered him a bigger wage.
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There you go. You are using it now!
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No I’m not, I’m disproving your point that Fergie offered RVP the best wage. He confirmed City did. I’m not adding it to his transfer value. Fergie spent £24m to get him. Not £24m plus however much he earned a week.
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You are using it now by saying that Man City offered higher wages but Fergie used his magical persuasion to join you on less wages.
You are judging Fergie on the wages he spent.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
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comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
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When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
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White Hart Lane had one of those old school , intimidating atmospheres, i'm not sure your new stadium will have the same intimidation, mainly due to 'new' football fans taking over, we'll see.
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Raptor✡ (U1071)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
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White Hart Lane had one of those old school , intimidating atmospheres, i'm not sure your new stadium will have the same intimidation, mainly due to 'new' football fans taking over, we'll see.
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Yes I do.
I don't know why the Emirates isn't. It is good for the big games, other games..meh
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Raptor✡ (U1071)
posted 3 minutes ago
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Arsenal stadium was designed by Populous. Not don't think they did stadium of light which is much older (not sure).
But I think the lack of atmosphere is down the gap left for air to come into the stadium for the pitch. Think Wenger was obsessed by playing conditions. So basically it doesn't allow noise to build as it did for older stadia.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Raptor✡ (U1071)
posted 3 minutes ago
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Arsenal stadium was designed by Populous. Not don't think they did stadium of light which is much older (not sure).
But I think the lack of atmosphere is down the gap left for air to come into the stadium for the pitch. Think Wenger was obsessed by playing conditions. So basically it doesn't allow noise to build as it did for older stadia.
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* you are correct they designed new rebuild in Portugal! But that doesn't have the same noise levels either I believe for the same reason!
posted on 18/3/19
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Est%C3%A1dio_da_Luz
Architect Damon Lavelle, from HOK Sport Venue Event (now Populous), designed the stadium to focus on light and transparency.
Opened on 25 October 2003
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Raptor✡ (U1071)
posted 3 minutes ago
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Arsenal stadium was designed by Populous. Not don't think they did stadium of light which is much older (not sure).
But I think the lack of atmosphere is down the gap left for air to come into the stadium for the pitch. Think Wenger was obsessed by playing conditions. So basically it doesn't allow noise to build as it did for older stadia.
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Both stadiums are more or less identical fella. I’ve done a tour of Benfica’s stadium plus seen them play Belenenses - hence my comments on the atmosphere etc, albeit it was a Lisbon Derby.
Never made a NLD at the Emirates but having seen them on TV I am reckoning it’s the same architect.
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comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Raptor✡ (U1071)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Alisson Chains (U3979)
posted 14 minutes ago
When has any team in the PL moved into a new stadium and benefitted from it immediately?
In fact the opposite is true, you always see a down turn in results. West Ham, Arsenal being two high profile examples.
Why Spurs think they will be different is strange.
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The last time Spurs played our home games at the lane, we were unbeaten while season, so going back there is expected to be a plus and a positive.
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White Hart Lane had one of those old school , intimidating atmospheres, i'm not sure your new stadium will have the same intimidation, mainly due to 'new' football fans taking over, we'll see.
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Do you wish the Emirates was intimidating?
Highbury certainly was.
It’s a strange one because the Emirates is more or less identical to the Stadium of Light in Lisbon - same architect no doubt, yet the atmosphere at Benfica games is immense, very loud and intimidating. Why not so at Arsenal??
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Highbury intimidating ...fk off we took it every yr in the 80s
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I went to a game in the early nineties where we drew 1-1. Anderton equaliser I think. I found it quite an intimidating atmosphere but I was only a nipper tbf.
It was a proper old school stadium with stands very close to the pitch like Upton Park was, and WHL to an extent.
posted on 18/3/19
comment by Raptor✡ (U1071)
posted 28 minutes ago
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Both stadiums are more or less identical fella. I’ve done a tour of Benfica’s stadium plus seen them play Belenenses - hence my comments on the atmosphere etc, albeit it was a Lisbon Derby.
Never made a NLD at the Emirates but having seen them on TV I am reckoning it’s the same architect.
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I haven't been to the stadium in Lisbon but the atmospherics in the Emirates has never been very good. Yes we are a middle class bunch. Its why Highbury was called the library. But even then we could get it up in the derby or when the ref wronged us in Highbury. I am quite sure its down to the design. I remember Wenger made a big play on the quality of the pitch and that the playing surface had to be a carpet. They need air for that. Emirates is newer so maybe thats how the design evolved.
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