wrong man
wrong job
wrong time.
All that Southampton fans warned us about was true.
Dreadful appointment appointment all round.
May be a decent chap but had no real spark or personality.
Based on players that he had in his squad, i think he was one of worst managers in last fifty years.
No not playing its obvious that BR is getting more of a tune out of the players but CP gave a lot of youngsters their chance and hope of First team football.
But all that is history
I don't think this question can be answered without greater context.
For instance:
Does Puel deserve more credit than he got from thorneyfox? Yes.
Does Puel deserve more credit than he got from Nev? No.
He had his benefits. I'm glad he was at the helm at the time of the helicopter tragedy. The way he handled that and his manner were excellent, and he deserves praise for that above everything else. There's also little doubt that he was tasked with forging a younger squad and phasing out many of the older players from the title winning side, which was going to be a thankless task for anyone. The state he left the club in when he went was consistently described as attractive and a good job, and the highly-sought-after Rodgers wasted no time in stepping in the role.
However, the killer thing to me is that, for all he banged on about intensity, he never got the players to achieve it. After he went, they got it within a fortnight under Brendan Rodgers. I believe the main reason people stuck with him was not because they were enjoying what they were seeing but because it was part of a transition to something better. Maybe that was true to an extent, but it seems that transition phase is now over. Evidence so far suggests that he was given the heave-ho at the right time.
Does Puel deserve more credit than he got?
No
I was against the appointment right from the start, he was the wrong man probably about 3rd choice and if I were a betting man I would bet he never manages in the EPL ever again.
Nope
I think the youth would have got there chance
But would they have been given a run of 5/6 games & played through the season, probably not
I think most managers would have played one maybe had one on the bench and then waited till we had 38points before giving them a run out in what is the hardest part of the season,
He also didn't have much choice but to play the youngsters given that he'd / the club had moved on the drift wood,
In my opinion, he left things in better shape than when he arrived, given that many of the younger players have made huge strides during his reign. However, the price for that was fewer points than we could have obtained if we had always played the strongest team (and as a result, limiting the game time of youngsters). There are promising signs that in the long run this was a very good trade off. However, the things that upset most fans were the defensive style and lack of intensity. We could/should have played with much more intensity - even though the team was full of youngsters - and the result was some of the worst football to watch that I can remember for a very long time. I guess history will determine whether CP is remembered as the guy who heralded the start of a great new era at Leicester, with multiple players in the full England team, or as the guy who drove us all crazy with his tactics. I'm sure we all really hope it is the former, but let's see how things look in five years time. UTF
Puel wasn’t all bad.
He deserves criticism for some things (lack of intensity, unwillingness to adapt his style, alienation of key players), but also credit for other things (development of youth, transition of the team).
Does he deserve more credit than he got? I personally think both the media and fans got it about right. People were mostly indifferent to him until he really started to lose the players in the last 10 games.
I have nothing against the man, but ultimately I think he was the architect of his own downfall. A very small tweak to his style with regards to pressing and he’d be Brendan Rodgers. He hung himself by refusing to accept this.
He and everyone go on about intensity, well if you cant be intense with 20/21y olds, when can you be? if they are any good at it is another thing.
He continually changed the team and he also, in his words "rested" Hamza after 1 game, cant remember when it was but it happened now does a 21 year old need resting at all?
I don't think he ever knew exactly what he was trying to do and neither did the players.
Notice BR or Stowell hasn't rushed to but Hamza even on the bench so you can bin that on.
In many ways, he did what he was asked to do. He steered us clear of relegation last season into a comfortable mid-table position, we had a solid transfer window under him last summer and brought through many young players (who this season had played more than double the minutes of the next youngest team) who will benefit our club for many years to come. At the same time, he led us through the most difficult time in our history and did so in a way that was respectful and dignified.
The issues were that he could not communicate his style of play to the team, and he made questionable team selections, tactics and substitutions. We also blew good opportunities to reach cup finals which was bitterly disappointing.
However, overall, I feel like we are in a better position now than we were before he came here, and that Rodgers has a much better chance of succeeding here because of his efforts. Compare the mess that Puel himself inherited and I think Rodgers will be grateful for him doing the dirty work.
In many ways, he did what he was asked to do. He steered us clear of relegation last season into a comfortable mid-table position, we had a solid transfer window under him last summer and brought through many young players (who this season had played more than double the minutes of the next youngest team) who will benefit our club for many years to come. At the same time, he led us through the most difficult time in our history and did so in a way that was respectful and dignified.
The issues were that he could not communicate his style of play to the team, and he made questionable team selections, tactics and substitutions. We also blew good opportunities to reach cup finals which was bitterly disappointing.
However, overall, I feel like we are in a better position now than we were before he came here, and that Rodgers has a much better chance of succeeding here because of his efforts. Compare the mess that Puel himself inherited and I think Rodgers will be grateful for him doing the dirty work.
Foxello - I largely agree with both of your posts, but I also disagree both times when you say that Puel inherited a mess. I don't think he did; he just took over from a man who was a fantastic number 2 for us but ultimately wasn't cut out for management. We were low down the table but our opening fixture list was horrendous. He didn't take over a calamity, but he did have a thankless job to do.
I think fielding a weak side against Man City in the cup game was the final straw. We had already beat them in the league game.
Not to mention the shambles that was the Newport game!
Maybe foreign managers do not know how much we want the FA Cup with our history of it? We were never in a delegation battle so why not go for a cup?
We were boring and 1-0 down in the first 10 mins in 20 games. Good riddance!
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 30 minutes ago
Foxello - I largely agree with both of your posts, but I also disagree both times when you say that Puel inherited a mess. I don't think he did; he just took over from a man who was a fantastic number 2 for us but ultimately wasn't cut out for management. We were low down the table but our opening fixture list was horrendous. He didn't take over a calamity, but he did have a thankless job to do.
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For the record, I agree with both of Foxello’s posts and Dunge’s addendum.
I think fielding a weak side against Man City in the cup game was the final straw. We had already beat them in the league game.
Not to mention the shambles that was the Newport game!
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Well said. Unbelievable and unforgivable.
That Man City League Cup game has to go down as a missed opportunity. Particularly considering Man City drew Burton Albion in the semis and then an inconsistent Chelsea in the final.
Foxello
I largely after with your points in the first post,
But really your talking out your bum in the second one 🤦🏻♀️
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posted on 21/3/19
wrong man
wrong job
wrong time.
All that Southampton fans warned us about was true.
Dreadful appointment appointment all round.
May be a decent chap but had no real spark or personality.
Based on players that he had in his squad, i think he was one of worst managers in last fifty years.
posted on 21/3/19
No
posted on 21/3/19
No not playing its obvious that BR is getting more of a tune out of the players but CP gave a lot of youngsters their chance and hope of First team football.
But all that is history
posted on 21/3/19
I don't think this question can be answered without greater context.
For instance:
Does Puel deserve more credit than he got from thorneyfox? Yes.
Does Puel deserve more credit than he got from Nev? No.
He had his benefits. I'm glad he was at the helm at the time of the helicopter tragedy. The way he handled that and his manner were excellent, and he deserves praise for that above everything else. There's also little doubt that he was tasked with forging a younger squad and phasing out many of the older players from the title winning side, which was going to be a thankless task for anyone. The state he left the club in when he went was consistently described as attractive and a good job, and the highly-sought-after Rodgers wasted no time in stepping in the role.
However, the killer thing to me is that, for all he banged on about intensity, he never got the players to achieve it. After he went, they got it within a fortnight under Brendan Rodgers. I believe the main reason people stuck with him was not because they were enjoying what they were seeing but because it was part of a transition to something better. Maybe that was true to an extent, but it seems that transition phase is now over. Evidence so far suggests that he was given the heave-ho at the right time.
posted on 21/3/19
Does Puel deserve more credit than he got?
No
I was against the appointment right from the start, he was the wrong man probably about 3rd choice and if I were a betting man I would bet he never manages in the EPL ever again.
posted on 21/3/19
Nope
I think the youth would have got there chance
But would they have been given a run of 5/6 games & played through the season, probably not
I think most managers would have played one maybe had one on the bench and then waited till we had 38points before giving them a run out in what is the hardest part of the season,
He also didn't have much choice but to play the youngsters given that he'd / the club had moved on the drift wood,
posted on 21/3/19
In my opinion, he left things in better shape than when he arrived, given that many of the younger players have made huge strides during his reign. However, the price for that was fewer points than we could have obtained if we had always played the strongest team (and as a result, limiting the game time of youngsters). There are promising signs that in the long run this was a very good trade off. However, the things that upset most fans were the defensive style and lack of intensity. We could/should have played with much more intensity - even though the team was full of youngsters - and the result was some of the worst football to watch that I can remember for a very long time. I guess history will determine whether CP is remembered as the guy who heralded the start of a great new era at Leicester, with multiple players in the full England team, or as the guy who drove us all crazy with his tactics. I'm sure we all really hope it is the former, but let's see how things look in five years time. UTF
posted on 21/3/19
Puel wasn’t all bad.
He deserves criticism for some things (lack of intensity, unwillingness to adapt his style, alienation of key players), but also credit for other things (development of youth, transition of the team).
Does he deserve more credit than he got? I personally think both the media and fans got it about right. People were mostly indifferent to him until he really started to lose the players in the last 10 games.
I have nothing against the man, but ultimately I think he was the architect of his own downfall. A very small tweak to his style with regards to pressing and he’d be Brendan Rodgers. He hung himself by refusing to accept this.
posted on 21/3/19
He and everyone go on about intensity, well if you cant be intense with 20/21y olds, when can you be? if they are any good at it is another thing.
He continually changed the team and he also, in his words "rested" Hamza after 1 game, cant remember when it was but it happened now does a 21 year old need resting at all?
I don't think he ever knew exactly what he was trying to do and neither did the players.
posted on 21/3/19
Notice BR or Stowell hasn't rushed to but Hamza even on the bench so you can bin that on.
posted on 21/3/19
In many ways, he did what he was asked to do. He steered us clear of relegation last season into a comfortable mid-table position, we had a solid transfer window under him last summer and brought through many young players (who this season had played more than double the minutes of the next youngest team) who will benefit our club for many years to come. At the same time, he led us through the most difficult time in our history and did so in a way that was respectful and dignified.
The issues were that he could not communicate his style of play to the team, and he made questionable team selections, tactics and substitutions. We also blew good opportunities to reach cup finals which was bitterly disappointing.
However, overall, I feel like we are in a better position now than we were before he came here, and that Rodgers has a much better chance of succeeding here because of his efforts. Compare the mess that Puel himself inherited and I think Rodgers will be grateful for him doing the dirty work.
posted on 21/3/19
In many ways, he did what he was asked to do. He steered us clear of relegation last season into a comfortable mid-table position, we had a solid transfer window under him last summer and brought through many young players (who this season had played more than double the minutes of the next youngest team) who will benefit our club for many years to come. At the same time, he led us through the most difficult time in our history and did so in a way that was respectful and dignified.
The issues were that he could not communicate his style of play to the team, and he made questionable team selections, tactics and substitutions. We also blew good opportunities to reach cup finals which was bitterly disappointing.
However, overall, I feel like we are in a better position now than we were before he came here, and that Rodgers has a much better chance of succeeding here because of his efforts. Compare the mess that Puel himself inherited and I think Rodgers will be grateful for him doing the dirty work.
posted on 21/3/19
Foxello - I largely agree with both of your posts, but I also disagree both times when you say that Puel inherited a mess. I don't think he did; he just took over from a man who was a fantastic number 2 for us but ultimately wasn't cut out for management. We were low down the table but our opening fixture list was horrendous. He didn't take over a calamity, but he did have a thankless job to do.
posted on 21/3/19
I think fielding a weak side against Man City in the cup game was the final straw. We had already beat them in the league game.
Not to mention the shambles that was the Newport game!
Maybe foreign managers do not know how much we want the FA Cup with our history of it? We were never in a delegation battle so why not go for a cup?
We were boring and 1-0 down in the first 10 mins in 20 games. Good riddance!
posted on 21/3/19
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 30 minutes ago
Foxello - I largely agree with both of your posts, but I also disagree both times when you say that Puel inherited a mess. I don't think he did; he just took over from a man who was a fantastic number 2 for us but ultimately wasn't cut out for management. We were low down the table but our opening fixture list was horrendous. He didn't take over a calamity, but he did have a thankless job to do.
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For the record, I agree with both of Foxello’s posts and Dunge’s addendum.
posted on 21/3/19
I think fielding a weak side against Man City in the cup game was the final straw. We had already beat them in the league game.
Not to mention the shambles that was the Newport game!
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Well said. Unbelievable and unforgivable.
posted on 21/3/19
That Man City League Cup game has to go down as a missed opportunity. Particularly considering Man City drew Burton Albion in the semis and then an inconsistent Chelsea in the final.
posted on 21/3/19
Foxello
I largely after with your points in the first post,
But really your talking out your bum in the second one 🤦🏻♀️
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After } agree
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