He and Aguero are the first two names on the steam sheet at the moment
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I suppose you’ll be hoping they don’t go off the boil in the run-in.
I’m fine thanks. Just laughing at the idea a £50 million player requires lots of credit for improvement.
I can think of a few names that will need to be eating humble pie. Online and friends.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Yes, it’s phenonemal that a player bought for such a pittance could turn out to be very good.
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Money well spent I'd say Winston
But your points stands. The potential was always there. I guess the question would be, would any other coach get the same out of him? Impossible to answer really.
comment by FishMCFC (U16301)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Yes, it’s phenonemal that a player bought for such a pittance could turn out to be very good.
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Money well spent I'd say Winston
But your points stands. The potential was always there. I guess the question would be, would any other coach get the same out of him? Impossible to answer really.
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Absolutely well spent and tend to agree with the assertion that not many other coaches would have got the best out of him in the way Pep has.
Just find it a bit rich when people laud the improvement of a player that cost more money than the majority of clubs in the Premier League can even afford!
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 19 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by FishMCFC (U16301)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Yes, it’s phenonemal that a player bought for such a pittance could turn out to be very good.
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Money well spent I'd say Winston
But your points stands. The potential was always there. I guess the question would be, would any other coach get the same out of him? Impossible to answer really.
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Absolutely well spent and tend to agree with the assertion that not many other coaches would have got the best out of him in the way Pep has.
Just find it a bit rich when people laud the improvement of a player that cost more money than the majority of clubs in the Premier League can even afford!
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To be honest, it isn't just about ability
A player's relationship with a coach can be a huge factor.
How many people have had jobs where they disliked their boss, didn't go all out then upped their game when a new man comes in? Purely because he is a better leader and more on your wavelength.
The difference between pre-Pep Sterling and now is night and day, so Pep has clearly had an effect.
I'm sure their are other coaches who could have had a similar impact.
“Just find it a bit rich when people laud the improvement of a player that cost more money than the majority of clubs in the Premier League can even afford!”
I take it you haven’t praised Ole for turning things round with Pogba and co then.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 43 minutes ago
“Just find it a bit rich when people laud the improvement of a player that cost more money than the majority of clubs in the Premier League can even afford!”
I take it you haven’t praised Ole for turning things round with Pogba and co then.
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Good old JA606, where grey areas don't exist and we have to deal with extremes.
It's possible to praise Sterling for improvement but find the idea that he's 'the most improved player in the league' laughable.
Hope this helps.
“Good old JA606, where grey areas don't exist and we have to deal with extremes.
It's possible to praise Sterling for improvement but find the idea that he's 'the most improved player in the league' laughable.”
😂 speak for yourself
“Good old ja606 where everything has to be the extreme
The idea of Sterling being the most improved player in the league is laughable.”
Nobody has said he’s the most improved player in the league. Unless your taking the opening paragraph analogy in the op about a children’s trophy... to the extreme.
gratedbean (U4885)
"Surely Raheem would be dominating that one, if there were a top flight equivalent"
Seems like a pretty clear implication to me.
Maybe to you. A man so literal that if I shouted duck at you you’d probably spend a few seconds looking for a winged bird before something struck you on the head.
Yes, all my fault of course. You're in no way implying that Sterling is one of the league's most improved performers.
Fecking unbelievable.
PS - using the word 'literal' is ridiculous.
All I've done is drawn a logical conclusion from the point you've raised. Nothing literal about it.
I don't actually think you are asking for him to be awarded with a most improved player of the year trophy.
If you're going to try to be clever, try to be clever about it
“All I've done is drawn a logical conclusion from the point you've raised. Nothing literal about it.”
😂
I remember a “most improved" award in the closed season awards of a couple of kids sides I played on in my childhood. Surely Raheem would be dominating that one, if there were a top flight equivalent.
You’ve drawn a logical conclusion about this “point” that’s been made. I think you’re over thinking things pal. Or is this another example of winstons trivial pursuits.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 23 minutes ago
“All I've done is drawn a logical conclusion from the point you've raised. Nothing literal about it.”
😂
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Er, yep. What?
I'm not overthinking anything - you're quite clearly saying you think Sterling is one the most improved players in the league.
However, I note your backtracking and so you're now forced to agree with me if you want your mocking to stand up. Great stuff.
As a kid, I remember once once lad won 'most improved player' for the team I played for.
Didn't think anything of it at the time, until we remembered that the previous season he'd been 'player of the year'.
How sh*t must we have been?
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 23 minutes ago
“All I've done is drawn a logical conclusion from the point you've raised. Nothing literal about it.”
😂
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Er, yep. What?
I'm not overthinking anything - you're quite clearly saying you think Sterling is one the most improved players in the league.
However, I note your backtracking and so you're now forced to agree with me if you want your mocking to stand up. Great stuff.
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The most improved. Now it’s one of the most improved. But apparently I’m the one backtracking. I don’t think there is actually a way to physically measure “the most improved” so I’d take that opening paragraph with a pinch of salt myself rather than try to draw logical conclusions.
Anyway I’m off out winny. I see there’s a thread where you are providing feedback and critique on peoples one liners, so you will have to satisfy your self with that for the time being.
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 34 minutes ago
As a kid, I remember once once lad won 'most improved player' for the team I played for.
Didn't think anything of it at the time, until we remembered that the previous season he'd been 'player of the year'.
How sh*t must we have been?
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I always remember the most improved award as a bit of a gesture for taking part. Usually went to the kid with the runniest nose 😂
I can see an argument for Sterling being one of the most improved players in the league, although I get Winstons point too.
Ultimately, when you spend that on a player, there is an expectation that comes with that. When we bought Sterling, he wasn’t at that time really a 50m player in terms of performance, but he was in terms of future potential. The expectation was that was a good investment.
The first couple of seasons, for a few reasons, he didn’t live up to that. Partly it was down to the circumstances of the move and the publicity around it I think had an effect, but also the system Pellegrini deployed him in was as a defensive winger. He was capable of playing there (as Rodgers used him all over the front six at Liverpool) but the system didn’t give him either much time on the ball or the licence to run with it that much as he had too deep a starting position.
With Guardiola coming in, he’s now in a position that enables him to do that and he’s having a direct influence on the key moments in games, shown in how good his assist and goal rates are. He’s one of Guardiolas first names on the team sheet, more so than Sane that originally was thought to be further ahead.
Now, I think we’ve got a player that is not only living up to the initial expectations but exceeding them and were we to sell him (which we wouldn’t), we’d be looking at a considerable profit. Some of that should be considered as to be expected given his original potential, but even so his improvement over the last couple of years has been great.
In terms of most in the league, that’s difficult to quantify. The one thing I would say with that is there’s a lot of players that go from ok or good to very good. There are very few that go from good to excellent. The former probably has a higher amount of improvement, which is the most impressive I think is a bit more nuanced.
"The most improved. Now it’s one of the most improved."
What were you saying about taking comments literally?
You either think he's one of the most improved players in the league or you don't. You don't need to be able to measure it to hold that opinion.
Your article clearly implied you think he is and for some bizarre reason you've decided to claim otherwise, although you're too embarrassed to just admit I have a point, so now you're stuck.
What a ridiculous conversation.
meltonblue (U10617)
He has developed very well, but I still stand by the opinion if a player is signed for such a large amount of money then it's laughable to suggest they've been one of the most improved players in the league.
It may feel like that way because of the heights he has reached, but he was hardly starting from a low level, was he?
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posted on 24/3/19
He and Aguero are the first two names on the steam sheet at the moment
—————————
I suppose you’ll be hoping they don’t go off the boil in the run-in.
posted on 24/3/19
Winston you ok hunn?
posted on 24/3/19
I’m fine thanks. Just laughing at the idea a £50 million player requires lots of credit for improvement.
posted on 25/3/19
I can think of a few names that will need to be eating humble pie. Online and friends.
posted on 27/3/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Yes, it’s phenonemal that a player bought for such a pittance could turn out to be very good.
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Money well spent I'd say Winston
But your points stands. The potential was always there. I guess the question would be, would any other coach get the same out of him? Impossible to answer really.
posted on 27/3/19
comment by FishMCFC (U16301)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Yes, it’s phenonemal that a player bought for such a pittance could turn out to be very good.
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Money well spent I'd say Winston
But your points stands. The potential was always there. I guess the question would be, would any other coach get the same out of him? Impossible to answer really.
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Absolutely well spent and tend to agree with the assertion that not many other coaches would have got the best out of him in the way Pep has.
Just find it a bit rich when people laud the improvement of a player that cost more money than the majority of clubs in the Premier League can even afford!
posted on 28/3/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 19 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by FishMCFC (U16301)
posted 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Yes, it’s phenonemal that a player bought for such a pittance could turn out to be very good.
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Money well spent I'd say Winston
But your points stands. The potential was always there. I guess the question would be, would any other coach get the same out of him? Impossible to answer really.
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Absolutely well spent and tend to agree with the assertion that not many other coaches would have got the best out of him in the way Pep has.
Just find it a bit rich when people laud the improvement of a player that cost more money than the majority of clubs in the Premier League can even afford!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be honest, it isn't just about ability
A player's relationship with a coach can be a huge factor.
How many people have had jobs where they disliked their boss, didn't go all out then upped their game when a new man comes in? Purely because he is a better leader and more on your wavelength.
The difference between pre-Pep Sterling and now is night and day, so Pep has clearly had an effect.
I'm sure their are other coaches who could have had a similar impact.
posted on 28/3/19
“Just find it a bit rich when people laud the improvement of a player that cost more money than the majority of clubs in the Premier League can even afford!”
I take it you haven’t praised Ole for turning things round with Pogba and co then.
posted on 28/3/19
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 43 minutes ago
“Just find it a bit rich when people laud the improvement of a player that cost more money than the majority of clubs in the Premier League can even afford!”
I take it you haven’t praised Ole for turning things round with Pogba and co then.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good old JA606, where grey areas don't exist and we have to deal with extremes.
It's possible to praise Sterling for improvement but find the idea that he's 'the most improved player in the league' laughable.
Hope this helps.
posted on 28/3/19
“Good old JA606, where grey areas don't exist and we have to deal with extremes.
It's possible to praise Sterling for improvement but find the idea that he's 'the most improved player in the league' laughable.”
😂 speak for yourself
posted on 28/3/19
Not sure what you mean?!
posted on 28/3/19
“Good old ja606 where everything has to be the extreme
The idea of Sterling being the most improved player in the league is laughable.”
Nobody has said he’s the most improved player in the league. Unless your taking the opening paragraph analogy in the op about a children’s trophy... to the extreme.
posted on 28/3/19
gratedbean (U4885)
"Surely Raheem would be dominating that one, if there were a top flight equivalent"
Seems like a pretty clear implication to me.
posted on 28/3/19
Maybe to you. A man so literal that if I shouted duck at you you’d probably spend a few seconds looking for a winged bird before something struck you on the head.
posted on 28/3/19
Yes, all my fault of course. You're in no way implying that Sterling is one of the league's most improved performers.
Fecking unbelievable.
posted on 28/3/19
PS - using the word 'literal' is ridiculous.
All I've done is drawn a logical conclusion from the point you've raised. Nothing literal about it.
I don't actually think you are asking for him to be awarded with a most improved player of the year trophy.
If you're going to try to be clever, try to be clever about it
posted on 28/3/19
“All I've done is drawn a logical conclusion from the point you've raised. Nothing literal about it.”
😂
posted on 28/3/19
I remember a “most improved" award in the closed season awards of a couple of kids sides I played on in my childhood. Surely Raheem would be dominating that one, if there were a top flight equivalent.
You’ve drawn a logical conclusion about this “point” that’s been made. I think you’re over thinking things pal. Or is this another example of winstons trivial pursuits.
posted on 28/3/19
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 23 minutes ago
“All I've done is drawn a logical conclusion from the point you've raised. Nothing literal about it.”
😂
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Er, yep. What?
I'm not overthinking anything - you're quite clearly saying you think Sterling is one the most improved players in the league.
However, I note your backtracking and so you're now forced to agree with me if you want your mocking to stand up. Great stuff.
posted on 28/3/19
As a kid, I remember once once lad won 'most improved player' for the team I played for.
Didn't think anything of it at the time, until we remembered that the previous season he'd been 'player of the year'.
How sh*t must we have been?
posted on 28/3/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 23 minutes ago
“All I've done is drawn a logical conclusion from the point you've raised. Nothing literal about it.”
😂
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Er, yep. What?
I'm not overthinking anything - you're quite clearly saying you think Sterling is one the most improved players in the league.
However, I note your backtracking and so you're now forced to agree with me if you want your mocking to stand up. Great stuff.
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The most improved. Now it’s one of the most improved. But apparently I’m the one backtracking. I don’t think there is actually a way to physically measure “the most improved” so I’d take that opening paragraph with a pinch of salt myself rather than try to draw logical conclusions.
Anyway I’m off out winny. I see there’s a thread where you are providing feedback and critique on peoples one liners, so you will have to satisfy your self with that for the time being.
posted on 28/3/19
comment by Steve Beaglehole (U15867)
posted 34 minutes ago
As a kid, I remember once once lad won 'most improved player' for the team I played for.
Didn't think anything of it at the time, until we remembered that the previous season he'd been 'player of the year'.
How sh*t must we have been?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I always remember the most improved award as a bit of a gesture for taking part. Usually went to the kid with the runniest nose 😂
posted on 28/3/19
I can see an argument for Sterling being one of the most improved players in the league, although I get Winstons point too.
Ultimately, when you spend that on a player, there is an expectation that comes with that. When we bought Sterling, he wasn’t at that time really a 50m player in terms of performance, but he was in terms of future potential. The expectation was that was a good investment.
The first couple of seasons, for a few reasons, he didn’t live up to that. Partly it was down to the circumstances of the move and the publicity around it I think had an effect, but also the system Pellegrini deployed him in was as a defensive winger. He was capable of playing there (as Rodgers used him all over the front six at Liverpool) but the system didn’t give him either much time on the ball or the licence to run with it that much as he had too deep a starting position.
With Guardiola coming in, he’s now in a position that enables him to do that and he’s having a direct influence on the key moments in games, shown in how good his assist and goal rates are. He’s one of Guardiolas first names on the team sheet, more so than Sane that originally was thought to be further ahead.
Now, I think we’ve got a player that is not only living up to the initial expectations but exceeding them and were we to sell him (which we wouldn’t), we’d be looking at a considerable profit. Some of that should be considered as to be expected given his original potential, but even so his improvement over the last couple of years has been great.
In terms of most in the league, that’s difficult to quantify. The one thing I would say with that is there’s a lot of players that go from ok or good to very good. There are very few that go from good to excellent. The former probably has a higher amount of improvement, which is the most impressive I think is a bit more nuanced.
posted on 28/3/19
"The most improved. Now it’s one of the most improved."
What were you saying about taking comments literally?
You either think he's one of the most improved players in the league or you don't. You don't need to be able to measure it to hold that opinion.
Your article clearly implied you think he is and for some bizarre reason you've decided to claim otherwise, although you're too embarrassed to just admit I have a point, so now you're stuck.
What a ridiculous conversation.
posted on 28/3/19
meltonblue (U10617)
He has developed very well, but I still stand by the opinion if a player is signed for such a large amount of money then it's laughable to suggest they've been one of the most improved players in the league.
It may feel like that way because of the heights he has reached, but he was hardly starting from a low level, was he?
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