Another advantage for her is the ability to pre heat the car using an app on her phone, no longer having to scrape the car in the morning, instead stepping straight into a warm car.
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This sounds great, didn’t realise this was a feature.
The only thing I’d worry about was long journeys. A lot of fuel stations have electric points now, but how long does a charge take?
Or can they do a days driving on one charge?
A lot of fuel stations have electric points now, but how long does a charge take?
takes hours, even a Tesla takes a while to recharge. Another problem is the most they can drive without charge is about 200 miles I think. They'll eventually be the future but not for another decade at least will we see them regularly on the roads.
Also another point worth making is the manfucaturing of electric cars causes much more harm to the environment than your regular petrol/diesel motor.
My missus is getting the Mini Countryman PHEV. Perfect for school runs and getting to work.
Obviously this is a hybrid unlike the Leaf but she wanted an electric.
I've just read it takes 7 hours to charge the leaf, feck that.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of fuel stations have electric points now, but how long does a charge take?
takes hours, even a Tesla takes a while to recharge. Another problem is the most they can drive without charge is about 200 miles I think. They'll eventually be the future but not for another decade at least will we see them regularly on the roads.
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Would be a big problem for most people I imagine.
I presume you’d also need to park in a place where you have access to an electric point over night, a lot of people don’t have that.
Tesla cars come with a charging point I think Rui, don't know if it's at an extra cost or not though.
Ruiney, it's a valid question, and a common concern. so thanks for bringing it up.
First of all, the vast majority of car journeys are 50 miles or less, so even our 80 mile Leaf easily last's my wife for the day, as she only uses it for work, shopping etc. So once home she plugs in and has starts the day with a full tank, so to speak.
Longer journeys are a little more problematic, especially with our cars limited range. but all motorway service stations are equipped with fast chargers, and stopping for 20 mins will give you an 80% charge.
Of course, EV's ranges are improving rapidly, Teslas have a range of over 300 miles, but new cars like the Hyundai Kona EV also has a range of 300 plus miles, a great car (although you have a years wait to get hold of one) charging that sort of range to 80% would take about 40 mins, at this moment in time.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 14 minutes ago
A lot of fuel stations have electric points now, but how long does a charge take?
takes hours, even a Tesla takes a while to recharge. Another problem is the most they can drive without charge is about 200 miles I think. They'll eventually be the future but not for another decade at least will we see them regularly on the roads.
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You already see them quite regularly but I agree.
On the environment point, I’ve read it’s just because they use lithium, which is a finite resource but there is still loads of lithium stores left on the planet. As you can tell not well read on the subject, tbh only basing this on the odd comvos with friends
I see a lot more hybrids on the road than fully electric cars like the ‘Leaf’ BK. VW have made a fully electric golf too but it’s srupidly expensive at 30k and only lasts 200 miles.
I rate Nissan for getting the ball rolling though, they’ve even made an electric van as well that I’ve noticed driving round London. We need more electric vans!!
Matial, you are severly misinformed in your first comment, it is simply wrong. As is you second caomment, a Tesla with the bigger battery is capable of over 300 miles, and adding a 200 mile charge at a fast charger would take about half an hour. Remember you wake every morning to a full tank so to speak.
Also there is a government grant, that allows you to fit a dedicated charge point at you home. My Leaf will fully charge from that in about 4 hours.
I see a fair few Leafs and Teslas, not common ofc but I’d say they’re regular enough now that I’m not like omg there’s an electric car wow like I was a few years ago. In the grand scheme (in my head lol) that probs means they’re regular.
What would it take for you to invest in one Arab? As a young person I don’t think they’re attractive due to constantly moving about and (will my next house have a driveway/accessible charging point?) and as it’s your only car long journeys need better thinking about it. And still relatively expensive. However I think it makes sense for all the rich multi car households out there. Electric car for the school run, shops, charge it each night in/near the garage and use the diesel Merc for long journeys.
Yeah I admit to not being fully clued up on the matter Amiga. Who the hell can even afford a Tesla though?!
Are there electric bikes? I guess bikers even more than petrol heads would miss the sound of the engine but the price difference would probs be minimal as would distance issues
There are other options for longer journeys
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/12/worlds-first-electrified-road-for-charging-vehicles-opens-in-sweden
Replace major routes with these and it's a done deal
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 58 seconds ago
Yeah I admit to not being fully clued up on the matter Amiga. Who the hell can even afford a Tesla though?!
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Company cars I think mainly
People our age won’t be interested in it BK. We love the car revs and speeding on motorways. I’ll probably invest in one when they become more common which I said will take another 10 years.
Also they’re not exactly encouraging people to buy them with the prices they set for them are they? Even a hybrid is more expensive than your average motor.
Matial FC
I see a lot more hybrids on the road than fully electric cars like the ‘Leaf’ BK. VW have made a fully electric golf too but it’s srupidly expensive at 30k and only lasts 200 miles.
You are correct EV's initial cost is expensive, but the running cost's are about a third of petrol, maintenance costs are also extremely low. so over the lifetime of the vehicle, the EV would probably end up cheaper in the long run.
Also you should keep your eyes out for hydrogen powered vehicles. Hyundai just started the ball rolling on one, they released their first model this year. Forgot it’s name.
Problem is the average buyer cant think "long run"
They need it cheaper upfront.
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 22 seconds ago
Problem is the average buyer cant think "long run"
They need it cheaper upfront.
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Yep. But tbf everyone is leasing or financing cars these days to even the cost out and make it a bit more affordable. Another thing worth mentioning is electric cars look quite ugly compared to your normal motor.
Kante there are indeed electric bikes, even Harley Davidson are bringing some out, Martial Ev's it will take be a lot less than ten years for EV's to take over the car market.
Martial, Hydrogen will never become mainstream. As for ugly that is opinion, but as I said every car manufacturer is now on board the EV train.
There will soon be a massive choice available to consumers.
I think they’re improving but I think early electric cars were ugly, they tried to make them too different/futuristic instead of just making them look normal imo but yeah they look better now.
Arab Honda released a hydrogen fuel cell car in California and Japan ages ago, nothing much seemed to come of it.
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posted on 9/4/19
Another advantage for her is the ability to pre heat the car using an app on her phone, no longer having to scrape the car in the morning, instead stepping straight into a warm car.
...
This sounds great, didn’t realise this was a feature.
The only thing I’d worry about was long journeys. A lot of fuel stations have electric points now, but how long does a charge take?
Or can they do a days driving on one charge?
posted on 9/4/19
A lot of fuel stations have electric points now, but how long does a charge take?
takes hours, even a Tesla takes a while to recharge. Another problem is the most they can drive without charge is about 200 miles I think. They'll eventually be the future but not for another decade at least will we see them regularly on the roads.
posted on 9/4/19
Also another point worth making is the manfucaturing of electric cars causes much more harm to the environment than your regular petrol/diesel motor.
posted on 9/4/19
My missus is getting the Mini Countryman PHEV. Perfect for school runs and getting to work.
Obviously this is a hybrid unlike the Leaf but she wanted an electric.
posted on 9/4/19
I've just read it takes 7 hours to charge the leaf, feck that.
posted on 9/4/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
A lot of fuel stations have electric points now, but how long does a charge take?
takes hours, even a Tesla takes a while to recharge. Another problem is the most they can drive without charge is about 200 miles I think. They'll eventually be the future but not for another decade at least will we see them regularly on the roads.
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Would be a big problem for most people I imagine.
I presume you’d also need to park in a place where you have access to an electric point over night, a lot of people don’t have that.
posted on 9/4/19
Tesla cars come with a charging point I think Rui, don't know if it's at an extra cost or not though.
posted on 9/4/19
Ruiney, it's a valid question, and a common concern. so thanks for bringing it up.
First of all, the vast majority of car journeys are 50 miles or less, so even our 80 mile Leaf easily last's my wife for the day, as she only uses it for work, shopping etc. So once home she plugs in and has starts the day with a full tank, so to speak.
Longer journeys are a little more problematic, especially with our cars limited range. but all motorway service stations are equipped with fast chargers, and stopping for 20 mins will give you an 80% charge.
Of course, EV's ranges are improving rapidly, Teslas have a range of over 300 miles, but new cars like the Hyundai Kona EV also has a range of 300 plus miles, a great car (although you have a years wait to get hold of one) charging that sort of range to 80% would take about 40 mins, at this moment in time.
posted on 9/4/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 14 minutes ago
A lot of fuel stations have electric points now, but how long does a charge take?
takes hours, even a Tesla takes a while to recharge. Another problem is the most they can drive without charge is about 200 miles I think. They'll eventually be the future but not for another decade at least will we see them regularly on the roads.
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You already see them quite regularly but I agree.
posted on 9/4/19
On the environment point, I’ve read it’s just because they use lithium, which is a finite resource but there is still loads of lithium stores left on the planet. As you can tell not well read on the subject, tbh only basing this on the odd comvos with friends
posted on 9/4/19
I see a lot more hybrids on the road than fully electric cars like the ‘Leaf’ BK. VW have made a fully electric golf too but it’s srupidly expensive at 30k and only lasts 200 miles.
I rate Nissan for getting the ball rolling though, they’ve even made an electric van as well that I’ve noticed driving round London. We need more electric vans!!
posted on 9/4/19
Matial, you are severly misinformed in your first comment, it is simply wrong. As is you second caomment, a Tesla with the bigger battery is capable of over 300 miles, and adding a 200 mile charge at a fast charger would take about half an hour. Remember you wake every morning to a full tank so to speak.
Also there is a government grant, that allows you to fit a dedicated charge point at you home. My Leaf will fully charge from that in about 4 hours.
posted on 9/4/19
I see a fair few Leafs and Teslas, not common ofc but I’d say they’re regular enough now that I’m not like omg there’s an electric car wow like I was a few years ago. In the grand scheme (in my head lol) that probs means they’re regular.
What would it take for you to invest in one Arab? As a young person I don’t think they’re attractive due to constantly moving about and (will my next house have a driveway/accessible charging point?) and as it’s your only car long journeys need better thinking about it. And still relatively expensive. However I think it makes sense for all the rich multi car households out there. Electric car for the school run, shops, charge it each night in/near the garage and use the diesel Merc for long journeys.
posted on 9/4/19
Yeah I admit to not being fully clued up on the matter Amiga. Who the hell can even afford a Tesla though?!
posted on 9/4/19
Are there electric bikes? I guess bikers even more than petrol heads would miss the sound of the engine but the price difference would probs be minimal as would distance issues
posted on 9/4/19
There are other options for longer journeys
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/apr/12/worlds-first-electrified-road-for-charging-vehicles-opens-in-sweden
Replace major routes with these and it's a done deal
posted on 9/4/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 58 seconds ago
Yeah I admit to not being fully clued up on the matter Amiga. Who the hell can even afford a Tesla though?!
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Company cars I think mainly
posted on 9/4/19
People our age won’t be interested in it BK. We love the car revs and speeding on motorways. I’ll probably invest in one when they become more common which I said will take another 10 years.
Also they’re not exactly encouraging people to buy them with the prices they set for them are they? Even a hybrid is more expensive than your average motor.
posted on 9/4/19
Matial FC
I see a lot more hybrids on the road than fully electric cars like the ‘Leaf’ BK. VW have made a fully electric golf too but it’s srupidly expensive at 30k and only lasts 200 miles.
You are correct EV's initial cost is expensive, but the running cost's are about a third of petrol, maintenance costs are also extremely low. so over the lifetime of the vehicle, the EV would probably end up cheaper in the long run.
posted on 9/4/19
Also you should keep your eyes out for hydrogen powered vehicles. Hyundai just started the ball rolling on one, they released their first model this year. Forgot it’s name.
posted on 9/4/19
Problem is the average buyer cant think "long run"
They need it cheaper upfront.
posted on 9/4/19
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 22 seconds ago
Problem is the average buyer cant think "long run"
They need it cheaper upfront.
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Yep. But tbf everyone is leasing or financing cars these days to even the cost out and make it a bit more affordable. Another thing worth mentioning is electric cars look quite ugly compared to your normal motor.
posted on 9/4/19
Kante there are indeed electric bikes, even Harley Davidson are bringing some out, Martial Ev's it will take be a lot less than ten years for EV's to take over the car market.
posted on 9/4/19
Martial, Hydrogen will never become mainstream. As for ugly that is opinion, but as I said every car manufacturer is now on board the EV train.
There will soon be a massive choice available to consumers.
posted on 9/4/19
I think they’re improving but I think early electric cars were ugly, they tried to make them too different/futuristic instead of just making them look normal imo but yeah they look better now.
Arab Honda released a hydrogen fuel cell car in California and Japan ages ago, nothing much seemed to come of it.
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