Orange I think it is great you mention these things, they are all relevant, and driving will mean different things to different people.

I fully accept that there will be people who bemoan the demise of the ICE car, just as people bemoaned the death of the horse and cart, or steam engine etc.

ICE will always have it's place in history, and I'm sure there will be many enthusiast's keen to keep it's memory alive, but it is not the future, and at least you are realistic enough to accept that, so credit where it's due.

Electric is a different kind of fun, I'm sure you there are many aspects that you might come to appreciate over time.

My next car will be an ev, have a 4 year old duster that i bought new, im hoping in 6 years or so there are suitable 4wd EVs, with the newer silicon lithium battery developments EVs are going to gain a lot of mileage either through batteries a third of the size or three times the amount of charge.

That coupled with vehicle to grid technology will make them very attractive to any potential buyer.

With my solar panels, the potential for them to be used as battery storage may accelerate my timetable, should a suitable model be released

My next car will be an ev, have a 4 year old duster that i bought new, im hoping in 6 years or so there are suitable 4wd EVs, with the newer silicon lithium battery developments EVs are going to gain a lot of mileage either through batteries a third of the size or three times the amount of charge.

That coupled with vehicle to grid technology will make them very attractive to any potential buyer.

With my solar panels, the potential for them to be used as battery storage may accelerate my timetable, should a suitable model be released

Random, I'm sure in 6 years time, EV's will be a consideration for anyone looking for a new car. As you say battery tech will have evolved, I'm guessing some form of solid state battery will be the norm, offering more range, faster charging, and be much safer (unable to catch fire) with a longer life.

I too will be looking at solar panels in the future, and as you say vehicle to grid will almost certainly be another advantage of owning an EV.

Just curious, do you have any battery storage, as part of your solar panel setup?

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/business/uk-s-first-electric-vehicle-fast-charging-station-to-go-live-in-sunderland-today-1-9713692?fbclid=IwAR1CsisCH-A7xSyprkXRka-IBvEsRp7qSoVemjWIGcDBQxGWKUreFjhwSKI

comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 20 hours, 24 minutes ago
Random, I'm sure in 6 years time, EV's will be a consideration for anyone looking for a new car. As you say battery tech will have evolved, I'm guessing some form of solid state battery will be the norm, offering more range, faster charging, and be much safer (unable to catch fire) with a longer life.

I too will be looking at solar panels in the future, and as you say vehicle to grid will almost certainly be another advantage of owning an EV.

Just curious, do you have any battery storage, as part of your solar panel setup?

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No we dont, for two reasons:

Long term planning to swap our three vehicles over to EV's, our panels being used for hot water, which keeps the export rate low but primarily, first and foremost is that our meter spins backwards.. Infinite battery storeage untill we are caught (3 years so far)

As for battery tech: the chinese have started selling bikes with graphene batteries, literally coils and coils and coils of superconducter that the charge just constantly runs over..

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago

As for battery tech: the chinese have started selling bikes with graphene batteries, literally coils and coils and coils of superconducter that the charge just constantly runs over..
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Got a source for this? Graphene is a very good conductor but isn't a superconductor.

You mean supercapacitor by any chance?

comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
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comment by Insert random username (U10647)
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As for battery tech: the chinese have started selling bikes with graphene batteries, literally coils and coils and coils of superconducter that the charge just constantly runs over..
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Got a source for this? Graphene is a very good conductor but isn't a superconductor.

You mean supercapacitor by any chance?
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I did mean supercapicitor yes! Apologies.

Although as an aside.. they have also successfully now made graphene superconductors too! By using two sheets twisted at a specific angle..

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comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 4 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago

As for battery tech: the chinese have started selling bikes with graphene batteries, literally coils and coils and coils of superconducter that the charge just constantly runs over..
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Got a source for this? Graphene is a very good conductor but isn't a superconductor.

You mean supercapacitor by any chance?
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I did mean supercapicitor yes! Apologies.

Although as an aside.. they have also successfully now made graphene superconductors too! By using two sheets twisted at a specific angle..
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I read that too. Unfortunately it's at 1.7 K. So unless you happen to have a handy supply of liquid helium, it's going to be hard.

Tesla had an event talking about self driving cars, It was actually really interesting and pretty impressive stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbgtGQIygZQ

They have designed dedicated hardware and software, but also with so many cars already on the road with full self driving capability, they have masses of real world data.

Apparently, they will be ready for full self driving by the end of the year, and we will see full self driving by the end of 2020.

Anyone here ready to trust a car driving itself?

I'm not sure what's the point of owning a car if you're not going to drive it yourself.

Just use public transport or Uber if you want transportation.

I think the whole point of self driving is convenience and inevitably safety.

Not having a driver, would make Robotaxi (Tesla's self driving taxi service) much cheaper, and you are correct, inevitably it will be much cheaper for people to no longer own their cars.

I think humans will be banned from driving on our roads eventually.

comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 22 hours, 38 minutes ago
I'm not sure what's the point of owning a car if you're not going to drive it yourself.

Just use public transport or Uber if you want transportation.
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Because it would be like having your own private taxi that goes everywhere with you. Also on long journeys you could kick back and watch TV or read. Even do some work.

I'd welcome that although I'd still like to have the option to drive whenever I wanted to as well.

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comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 0... (U2720)
posted 22 hours, 38 minutes ago
I'm not sure what's the point of owning a car if you're not going to drive it yourself.

Just use public transport or Uber if you want transportation.
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Because it would be like having your own private taxi that goes everywhere with you. Also on long journeys you could kick back and watch TV or read. Even do some work.

I'd welcome that although I'd still like to have the option to drive whenever I wanted to as well.
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It will probably spell the end of car ownership.

Uber is a precursor to all this, designed to out taxi firms out of business to reduce opposition to driverless taxis, everyone owns a highly expensive car, but they spend over 90% of their time stationary..

I expect you will see motoring costs of half the amount for driverless taxi cara, and startups that allow you to put your car to work when you dont need it..

Also even a year ago driverless tech was casuing as many accidents per 100k miles as humans.. It will inevitably be more efficient, faster and cause less congestion than human driving, especially as we install "smart roads"

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Also even a year ago driverless tech was casuing as many accidents per 100k miles as humans..

I'm not sure where you actually get this idea from random? driverless tech has always had to have a human driver behind the wheel, responsible for taking over should a problem occur.

The few accidents that have happened, and considering the miles driven, it is surprisingly few, are basically still driver error.

There was a well reported incident of a Tesla driver losing his life, when his car went underneath a truck which had turned into it's path. The tech miss read it as a sign, so no warning was given. but if he had been paying attention as he was supposed to be. he could have stopped the car. both he and the truck driver were at fault.

But as you say the tech improves so that won't happen again, Up to now self driving has only been level 3 at best. True self driving requires level 5.

There is no way people will be banned from driving on the roads.

1) regardless of anything no government is going to do something that can put people out of employment, yes you can argue that the job will go anyway, but there will be companies out there who will think employing people will be good for their company image and will want real people delivering their goods.

2) people like to drive, people like to get in there cars and go for a Sunday drive round the countryside, people like to drive in the same way that people like to drink and smoke, and neither of those have been banned.

comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)

Also even a year ago driverless tech was casuing as many accidents per 100k miles as humans..

I'm not sure where you actually get this idea from random? driverless tech has always had to have a human driver behind the wheel, responsible for taking over should a problem occur.

The few accidents that have happened, and considering the miles driven, it is surprisingly few, are basically still driver error.

There was a well reported incident of a Tesla driver losing his life, when his car went underneath a truck which had turned into it's path. The tech miss read it as a sign, so no warning was given. but if he had been paying attention as he was supposed to be. he could have stopped the car. both he and the truck driver were at fault.

But as you say the tech improves so that won't happen again, Up to now self driving has only been level 3 at best. True self driving requires level 5.
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An interesting take on it for sure, but its not really a route we want to go down is it, people failing to correct driverless tech errors being written off as driver error, legally at this point, of course it is, thats what the disclaimers are for.

But these accidents are happening due to faults in tge system/less refined programs, treating them as the fault of the technology is the only way to refine it. Otherwise you are letting companies off the hook, and development will stagnate as they all use a "driver must pay attention" get ouy of jail free card, whereas the ultimate goal for the tech will be to abolish the need for drivers at all due to human inefficiency (traffic snakes for instance)

Always found this interesting: https://youtu.be/iHzzSao6ypE

Random, level 2 or 3 automation, requires supervision, so there is no get out of jail free card.

Nobody has released a level 5 fully self driving car, when they do, that is when the get out of jail free card goes away. Tesla are saying the end of 2020, they will have a level 5 system. If true life changes for everyone.

Mattyp. There is no reason if companies wanted to keep the personal touch, there is no reason that person couldn't be just a passenger, until at the destination.

And people do like to drive, unfortunately they are not very good at it. Random's video shows it very well. Do you really think allowing people to drive, or saving 1000's of lives is really a decision that a government will have trouble making.

It won't happen any time soon, but it is inevitable.

As long as they look good and go well...... am in, and I love petrol.😎

by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)

As long as they look good and go well...... am in, and I love petrol.😎

Have you driven an EV thebluebellsarablue?

comment by Amigawolf no longer MIA (U18508)
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by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)

As long as they look good and go well...... am in, and I love petrol.😎

Have you driven an EV thebluebellsarablue?
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No mate, only into Type R, M3, VXR and Porsche V8 Cayenne fun recently, with CBR Honda's giving me a bike buzz....but hear Tesla is the business.

Being honest here, the electric card and bikes are strange with no noise or grunt, but to save the planet, we adapt or die.

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by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)

As long as they look good and go well...... am in, and I love petrol.😎

Have you driven an EV thebluebellsarablue?
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No mate, only into Type R, M3, VXR and Porsche V8 Cayenne fun recently, with CBR Honda's giving me a bike buzz....but hear Tesla is the business.

Being honest here, the electric card and bikes are strange with no noise or grunt, but to save the planet, we adapt or die.
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Car.

Well no noise, but plenty of grunt. acceleration is one of the big advantages of electric.

The guy I work with, took on a car at some traffic lights, his car is a high end BMW, I think he said 0-60 in 4,7 seconds. He got left standing, that was his first introduction to a Tesla

If the government didnt have problems making decisions that would save thousands, if not millions, of lives they would ban alcohol and cigarettes, but they dont because they cant. It is the same with driving, it doesn't matter how good the technology gets people will not accept not being able to drive themselves out of love or need

There is no way people will be banned from driving, it just won't happen.