Learning experience for the manager too. He will need to solve this problem we have breaking down teams who are happy to defend. He has done this in Scotland, but this is a different level. It will be a very interesting summer
Interesting how we all view games differently. I thought Tielemans had his worst game for us so far, he made more poor passes got caught in possession and got frustrated more than he has before, although he was still trying to make something happen. Maguire would have been my motm was strong and dominating at the back moved forward well and pick a few excellent passes. Don’t know how Vardy missed that change in second half, trying to be clever may have contributed. Chilwell and Barnes still don’t seem to be on the same wavelength. Gray first touch is awful.
I thought Tielemans was poor last night. Saw plenty of the ball but wasn't clinical or composed with it at all, not willing to turn his man and always looking backwards. Not really sure who you'd choose for MOTM but it definitely wasn't Tielemans
I also didn’t think Tielemans was that great last night, but in part due to Newcastle’s excellent tactics.
I would give Morgan MOTM for us.
It was a very good lesson for Rodgers. We had all of the ball against a team that sat deep and defended well. We need a plan for this as it will happen more and more. Interested to see how Rodgers deals with it because his subs didn’t do anything to change it.
Barnes and Gray must do more to find the pockets in games like this. Both disappointed on that front last night and didn’t do enough to affect the game.
Can’t be angry about the result. Newcastle came with a plan and executed it perfectly. One to learn from for B Rodge.
This has to be considered against the background of Newcastle coming to park the bus and doing it outstandingly well, being superbly organised and working very hard throughout the match. We also went back to slow build up Puelball which didn't help; I'm encouraged that Brendan identified this as an issue in his after match comments so we'll see how he addresses that in future games.
Ricardo - one of the most important acquisitions for me in the summer would be a genuine right back who knows how to defend, not a right winger playing out of position, maybe a bit harsh but that was part of the reason why we shipped a goal last night (see also Gray and Morgan). I can see this problem continuing, unless we switch to (Dunge's favourite) 3 at the back formation so he can be a wing back which would likely suit him much better (that would also benefit Chilwell who is also still defensively weak although much improved this season).
Morgan - I'll have some of what Dunge and Piper are on please (Pipes even made him MoM)! Badly at fault allowing Perez to get a run on him for the goal. Needs to be put out to pasture as we have better options - harsh maybe but I suspect if Evans had been playing that goal wouldn't have been scored. Also contributed to the pedestrian build up play which gave Newcastle plenty of time to get organised.
Gray - so promising with occasional bright sparks but fails miserably to deliver so often, fair play that he got back to 'help' Ricardo but didn't contribute much defensively, again I suspect if Albrighton had been on the pitch that goal may not have been scored. Getting a new right back would allow us to play potentially our best winger in his proper position and dispense with Gray's services to the bench.
Tielemans - in a way it's a relief to see he's human, 7 for me at best. He was playing too far forward initially, needs to be closer to Ndidi who suffered by being asked to play telling balls against a tightly packed defence which is not his forte.
Barnes - I've been saying this for weeks, he needs a goal. He was identified as a danger and tightly marshalled as a result but still managed to have some impact. Jury's out for me as to whether he should have been brought back early from West Brom.
Morgan - I'll have some of what Dunge and Piper are on please (Pipes even made him MoM)! Badly at fault allowing Perez to get a run on him for the goal. Needs to be put out to pasture as we have better options - harsh maybe but I suspect if Evans had been playing that goal wouldn't have been scored. Also contributed to the pedestrian build up play which gave Newcastle plenty of time to get organised.
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Not sure what he did wrong but for the goal. Made important blocks and interceptions to stop some good Newcastle opportunities. The main issue with the goal is that we shouldn’t have let the cross come in.
Without Morgan last night we lose 0-2. Now the problem came at the other end. Not enough from Barnes, Gray, Maddison and Tielemans against a packed defence.
comment by Foxy Boy (U20186)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
Learning experience for the manager too. He will need to solve this problem we have breaking down teams who are happy to defend. He has done this in Scotland, but this is a different level. It will be a very interesting summer
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Well actually he hadn't done it in Scotland. Even with vastly superior resources he couldn't really work that out...normally just getting victories because of the superior quality of individual players. He won't do it at Leicester where you are often outmayched.
Brendan is a possession manager...that's all that matters to him. You'll see a lot of games like last night.
Mersey I disagree on the Morgan front, with Evans in the side last night we draw 0-0.
I do agree we need more up front, but part of the reason for us struggling last night offensively was the slow build up play; Morgan stands out with this as he just isn't comfortable on the ball.
I think you’re completely wrong on Morgan, Nuneaton. I almost gave him MOTM myself. The goal was his only half-error, and that owed more to Ricardo’s defending at right back.
I agree Morgan almost certainly kept the score to just 1, he does slow things down a bit when on the ball though but then so does Evans.
It was one of those games where you'd struggle to pick anyone for MOTM, everyone was slightly off their game, thrown really by Newcastle's constant pressing initially threw them off their stride.
If I was forced though it would be Morgan, in fact I thought he made the best pass of the game splitting their defense.
Tielemans MOM for me. Thought he was the only one who looked capable of splitting the massed ranks of Newcastle defenders open.
Barnes was very very poor. In fact he looked like he was hiding at times and deliberately make runs into areas where he was marked. Should have been hooked at HT.
Overall Newcastle were the better team, created the better chances and were good value for the three points.
For me, the best thing to come out of a disappointing evening was the return of Marc Albrighton. It will be interesting to see whether he gets the nod ahead of Barnes or Gray in the next game. Personally I hope he does. UTF
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 22 hours, 35 minutes ago
I think you’re completely wrong on Morgan, Nuneaton. I almost gave him MOTM myself. The goal was his only half-error, and that owed more to Ricardo’s defending at right back.
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I don't see how I can be completely wrong on Morgan when you admit he was at least partly to blame for us losing the match. I agree that Ricardo was culpable too (he shouldn't be playing at RB), also Gray could have done better. But in the end it was Morgan who allowed himself to get beaten in the air by a much smaller player, which is a crime of the highest order for a CB.
Going forward he shouldn't be captain or first choice pick, he needs to be eased out of the team. That's nothing to do with how good he is at present, more that he's getting older, isn't going to be around for much longer and we need to be working towards the future.
"Going forward he shouldn't be captain or first choice pick, he needs to be eased out of the team. That's nothing to do with how good he is at present, more that he's getting older, isn't going to be around for much longer and we need to be working towards the future."
I don't think anyone is denying that, even BR talked about it with Morgan's contract extension but there's no denying either that Morgan has also found a new lease of life under BR and will be very good squad cover, he had his place Friday on merit after the last few games.
I don’t think there was loads he could do about it actually. When the ball gets whipped in bang above your head you can’t get as much of a jump as the guy running in. His positioning was fine; it was just an inch-perfect cross.
And I don’t know what more you wanted from him on the ball. Ndidi was the biggest problem on that front due to losing confidence early on then being afraid to play tight forward passes.
I agree with the majority here. In a game where you’d be hard pressed to name a MOM - Morgan probably did as well as anyone.
Morgan’s been very good the last few games, but he’ll never be the quickest and never have the best ball playing ability. This is why I think he sometimes gets unfairly singled out. The strange thing is I always think he looks better with Evans alongside him and Maguire too looks better with Evans alongside him - I’ve not quite worked out why that is yet.
FFS,
I know what you mean about Barnes. Far too often in the 2nd half he gave Chilwell no outlet ball which, as we know, Chilwell doesn’t need any extra invitation to struggle to create in the final 3rd. I’ve not convinced yet that Barnes will be any better than Gray. It’s just we’ve had a long time to be unconvinced by Gray whereas Barnes deserves some leeway while he’s learning. I’d have Albrighton back in over either of them.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 hours, 21 minutes ago
I don’t think there was loads he could do about it actually. When the ball gets whipped in bang above your head you can’t get as much of a jump as the guy running in. His positioning was fine; it was just an inch-perfect cross.
And I don’t know what more you wanted from him on the ball. Ndidi was the biggest problem on that front due to losing confidence early on then being afraid to play tight forward passes.
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I'm sticking with what I've said, if Evans had been there i don't think that goal gets scored and we don't lose. It doesn't matter about how good or otherwise he was for the rest of the match, that poor awareness lost us the game. That's harsh I'll admit but it's my opinion, we've lost because of that mistake so there's no way he can get MoM.
DM/Nuneaton,
I suggest a compromise:
Just downgrade Morgan's score to a 6.5.
It's on the verge of going up to a 7.5 out of spite.
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 37 minutes ago
DM/Nuneaton,
I suggest a compromise:
Just downgrade Morgan's score to a 6.5.
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Suits me.
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posted on 12/4/19
Learning experience for the manager too. He will need to solve this problem we have breaking down teams who are happy to defend. He has done this in Scotland, but this is a different level. It will be a very interesting summer
posted on 12/4/19
Interesting how we all view games differently. I thought Tielemans had his worst game for us so far, he made more poor passes got caught in possession and got frustrated more than he has before, although he was still trying to make something happen. Maguire would have been my motm was strong and dominating at the back moved forward well and pick a few excellent passes. Don’t know how Vardy missed that change in second half, trying to be clever may have contributed. Chilwell and Barnes still don’t seem to be on the same wavelength. Gray first touch is awful.
posted on 13/4/19
I thought Tielemans was poor last night. Saw plenty of the ball but wasn't clinical or composed with it at all, not willing to turn his man and always looking backwards. Not really sure who you'd choose for MOTM but it definitely wasn't Tielemans
posted on 13/4/19
I also didn’t think Tielemans was that great last night, but in part due to Newcastle’s excellent tactics.
I would give Morgan MOTM for us.
It was a very good lesson for Rodgers. We had all of the ball against a team that sat deep and defended well. We need a plan for this as it will happen more and more. Interested to see how Rodgers deals with it because his subs didn’t do anything to change it.
Barnes and Gray must do more to find the pockets in games like this. Both disappointed on that front last night and didn’t do enough to affect the game.
Can’t be angry about the result. Newcastle came with a plan and executed it perfectly. One to learn from for B Rodge.
posted on 13/4/19
This has to be considered against the background of Newcastle coming to park the bus and doing it outstandingly well, being superbly organised and working very hard throughout the match. We also went back to slow build up Puelball which didn't help; I'm encouraged that Brendan identified this as an issue in his after match comments so we'll see how he addresses that in future games.
Ricardo - one of the most important acquisitions for me in the summer would be a genuine right back who knows how to defend, not a right winger playing out of position, maybe a bit harsh but that was part of the reason why we shipped a goal last night (see also Gray and Morgan). I can see this problem continuing, unless we switch to (Dunge's favourite) 3 at the back formation so he can be a wing back which would likely suit him much better (that would also benefit Chilwell who is also still defensively weak although much improved this season).
Morgan - I'll have some of what Dunge and Piper are on please (Pipes even made him MoM)! Badly at fault allowing Perez to get a run on him for the goal. Needs to be put out to pasture as we have better options - harsh maybe but I suspect if Evans had been playing that goal wouldn't have been scored. Also contributed to the pedestrian build up play which gave Newcastle plenty of time to get organised.
Gray - so promising with occasional bright sparks but fails miserably to deliver so often, fair play that he got back to 'help' Ricardo but didn't contribute much defensively, again I suspect if Albrighton had been on the pitch that goal may not have been scored. Getting a new right back would allow us to play potentially our best winger in his proper position and dispense with Gray's services to the bench.
Tielemans - in a way it's a relief to see he's human, 7 for me at best. He was playing too far forward initially, needs to be closer to Ndidi who suffered by being asked to play telling balls against a tightly packed defence which is not his forte.
Barnes - I've been saying this for weeks, he needs a goal. He was identified as a danger and tightly marshalled as a result but still managed to have some impact. Jury's out for me as to whether he should have been brought back early from West Brom.
posted on 13/4/19
Morgan - I'll have some of what Dunge and Piper are on please (Pipes even made him MoM)! Badly at fault allowing Perez to get a run on him for the goal. Needs to be put out to pasture as we have better options - harsh maybe but I suspect if Evans had been playing that goal wouldn't have been scored. Also contributed to the pedestrian build up play which gave Newcastle plenty of time to get organised.
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Not sure what he did wrong but for the goal. Made important blocks and interceptions to stop some good Newcastle opportunities. The main issue with the goal is that we shouldn’t have let the cross come in.
Without Morgan last night we lose 0-2. Now the problem came at the other end. Not enough from Barnes, Gray, Maddison and Tielemans against a packed defence.
posted on 13/4/19
comment by Foxy Boy (U20186)
posted 9 hours, 33 minutes ago
Learning experience for the manager too. He will need to solve this problem we have breaking down teams who are happy to defend. He has done this in Scotland, but this is a different level. It will be a very interesting summer
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Well actually he hadn't done it in Scotland. Even with vastly superior resources he couldn't really work that out...normally just getting victories because of the superior quality of individual players. He won't do it at Leicester where you are often outmayched.
Brendan is a possession manager...that's all that matters to him. You'll see a lot of games like last night.
posted on 13/4/19
Mersey I disagree on the Morgan front, with Evans in the side last night we draw 0-0.
I do agree we need more up front, but part of the reason for us struggling last night offensively was the slow build up play; Morgan stands out with this as he just isn't comfortable on the ball.
posted on 13/4/19
I think you’re completely wrong on Morgan, Nuneaton. I almost gave him MOTM myself. The goal was his only half-error, and that owed more to Ricardo’s defending at right back.
posted on 13/4/19
I agree Morgan almost certainly kept the score to just 1, he does slow things down a bit when on the ball though but then so does Evans.
posted on 13/4/19
It was one of those games where you'd struggle to pick anyone for MOTM, everyone was slightly off their game, thrown really by Newcastle's constant pressing initially threw them off their stride.
If I was forced though it would be Morgan, in fact I thought he made the best pass of the game splitting their defense.
posted on 13/4/19
Tielemans MOM for me. Thought he was the only one who looked capable of splitting the massed ranks of Newcastle defenders open.
Barnes was very very poor. In fact he looked like he was hiding at times and deliberately make runs into areas where he was marked. Should have been hooked at HT.
Overall Newcastle were the better team, created the better chances and were good value for the three points.
posted on 13/4/19
For me, the best thing to come out of a disappointing evening was the return of Marc Albrighton. It will be interesting to see whether he gets the nod ahead of Barnes or Gray in the next game. Personally I hope he does. UTF
posted on 14/4/19
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 22 hours, 35 minutes ago
I think you’re completely wrong on Morgan, Nuneaton. I almost gave him MOTM myself. The goal was his only half-error, and that owed more to Ricardo’s defending at right back.
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I don't see how I can be completely wrong on Morgan when you admit he was at least partly to blame for us losing the match. I agree that Ricardo was culpable too (he shouldn't be playing at RB), also Gray could have done better. But in the end it was Morgan who allowed himself to get beaten in the air by a much smaller player, which is a crime of the highest order for a CB.
Going forward he shouldn't be captain or first choice pick, he needs to be eased out of the team. That's nothing to do with how good he is at present, more that he's getting older, isn't going to be around for much longer and we need to be working towards the future.
posted on 14/4/19
"Going forward he shouldn't be captain or first choice pick, he needs to be eased out of the team. That's nothing to do with how good he is at present, more that he's getting older, isn't going to be around for much longer and we need to be working towards the future."
I don't think anyone is denying that, even BR talked about it with Morgan's contract extension but there's no denying either that Morgan has also found a new lease of life under BR and will be very good squad cover, he had his place Friday on merit after the last few games.
posted on 14/4/19
I don’t think there was loads he could do about it actually. When the ball gets whipped in bang above your head you can’t get as much of a jump as the guy running in. His positioning was fine; it was just an inch-perfect cross.
And I don’t know what more you wanted from him on the ball. Ndidi was the biggest problem on that front due to losing confidence early on then being afraid to play tight forward passes.
posted on 14/4/19
I agree with the majority here. In a game where you’d be hard pressed to name a MOM - Morgan probably did as well as anyone.
Morgan’s been very good the last few games, but he’ll never be the quickest and never have the best ball playing ability. This is why I think he sometimes gets unfairly singled out. The strange thing is I always think he looks better with Evans alongside him and Maguire too looks better with Evans alongside him - I’ve not quite worked out why that is yet.
FFS,
I know what you mean about Barnes. Far too often in the 2nd half he gave Chilwell no outlet ball which, as we know, Chilwell doesn’t need any extra invitation to struggle to create in the final 3rd. I’ve not convinced yet that Barnes will be any better than Gray. It’s just we’ve had a long time to be unconvinced by Gray whereas Barnes deserves some leeway while he’s learning. I’d have Albrighton back in over either of them.
posted on 14/4/19
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 8 hours, 21 minutes ago
I don’t think there was loads he could do about it actually. When the ball gets whipped in bang above your head you can’t get as much of a jump as the guy running in. His positioning was fine; it was just an inch-perfect cross.
And I don’t know what more you wanted from him on the ball. Ndidi was the biggest problem on that front due to losing confidence early on then being afraid to play tight forward passes.
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I'm sticking with what I've said, if Evans had been there i don't think that goal gets scored and we don't lose. It doesn't matter about how good or otherwise he was for the rest of the match, that poor awareness lost us the game. That's harsh I'll admit but it's my opinion, we've lost because of that mistake so there's no way he can get MoM.
posted on 15/4/19
DM/Nuneaton,
I suggest a compromise:
Just downgrade Morgan's score to a 6.5.
posted on 15/4/19
It's on the verge of going up to a 7.5 out of spite.
posted on 15/4/19
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 37 minutes ago
DM/Nuneaton,
I suggest a compromise:
Just downgrade Morgan's score to a 6.5.
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Suits me.
posted on 15/4/19
Right, you asked for it.
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