Giving him a contract was a thick idea. Guys done nothing yet.
Pogba just does not have the intelligence or discipline to play in a two. He’s god awful there, and to be fair to him it’s not his game. He will never control football matches, he’s there to pick locks. Play him somewhere with less responsibility and let him do his thing, don’t try and make him a midfield general.
Yeah McT should have come on in the second half...
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Pogba just does not have the intelligence or discipline to play in a two. He’s god awful there, and to be fair to him it’s not his game. He will never control football matches, he’s there to pick locks. Play him somewhere with less responsibility and let him do his thing, don’t try and make him a midfield general.
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Everybody seems to know this apart from Manchester United managers.
pogba is a fantastic attacking player and lacks the sense of awareness to understand potential defensive dangers. That is why he is happy to take silly touches in his own half when he can and has the ability to make simple passes in his own half.
fred is showing the right attitude but and make some good decisions. But I cannot find it in me to respect a cm/dm who is always facing their own goal or chasing the game
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
As a critic of Fred, he has been better recently. Still, he keeps getting caught in possession in terrible areas and, like against Wolves, nearly resulted in a goal conceded again today. He needs to switch on in those positions because at PL level you’re likely to get caught out.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 11 seconds ago
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
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I remember that press conference where OGS suggested moving pogba deeper will allow us to control games better.
1)I remember thinking OGS will soon find pogba will cause more problems playing in a deeper role
2)Hopefully means OGS recognises that we desperately need a player who can dictate play from a deeper position
Pogba in a midfield 2 is just about passable against certain opponents with the right partner. That partner is not Fred. It doesn't excuse how sloppy we were but that was the root of our problems today IMO. Could tell the moment I saw the line up how open we were going to be, and how little control we would have. Naive from Ole.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Pogba just does not have the intelligence or discipline to play in a two. He’s god awful there, and to be fair to him it’s not his game. He will never control football matches, he’s there to pick locks. Play him somewhere with less responsibility and let him do his thing, don’t try and make him a midfield general.
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Everybody seems to know this apart from Manchester United managers.
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I suppose there’s the temptation because of his physique. But you’d expect them to Atleast know that role does not suit him. He’s never going to be a deep lying playmaker, lacks the tick over and shaping skills of a great Cm, lacks defensive ability and crucially concentration. If he’d Been 5’9 you’d seen managers actually try and play him where he’s suited, admittedly it’s a specialist position, he’s an enhancer, not a player who drags the team up, he’s good when complimented by already good players, not someone who can elevate a struggling team.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
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Another young player Chelsea let go!
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
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Another young player Chelsea let go!
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We should snap up billy gilmour from Chelsea before he breaks through, that kid will be mike’s better than rice
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Pogba just does not have the intelligence or discipline to play in a two. He’s god awful there, and to be fair to him it’s not his game. He will never control football matches, he’s there to pick locks. Play him somewhere with less responsibility and let him do his thing, don’t try and make him a midfield general.
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Everybody seems to know this apart from Manchester United managers.
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I suppose there’s the temptation because of his physique. But you’d expect them to Atleast know that role does not suit him. He’s never going to be a deep lying playmaker, lacks the tick over and shaping skills of a great Cm, lacks defensive ability and crucially concentration. If he’d Been 5’9 you’d seen managers actually try and play him where he’s suited, admittedly it’s a specialist position, he’s an enhancer, not a player who drags the team up, he’s good when complimented by already good players, not someone who can elevate a struggling team.
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They've watched him try, and fail, before. And it's not his fault: it's just not his game.
Why they persist, I'll never know. We'd have been better off today playing him (still out of position) in place of Martial or Mata with an additional CM paired with Fred.
Or just recognise that he's a left sided eight, and a very good one, and set us up in a 4-3-3 ffs.
It’s his height and physique. If a5’9 player he’d be played where they know he works.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 50 minutes ago
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
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Rice will be a very good player in time, but i think right now he’s a bit flavour of the month. He’s going to dip in form and have to work hard to learn some things, i don’t know if he’s ready for united yet. Think he could do with another couple years at west ham playing consistent football. It’s his first real season playing football in the premier league remember.
Loftus-Cheek absolutely bossed him last week in midfield for example, don’t know that he’s ready to be United’s midfield saviour yet
If Paul Scholes can beat Arsenal in a midfield two with Phil Neville then your world record transfer fee, world cup winning central midfielder should be able to at least put in a passable performance without two players to help him yet we have seen on numerous occasions lesser heralded players dominate him.
In reality though we've been sold a pup and should cash in to build the midfield we need. Behind the fancy haircuts and occasionally spectacular longranger he is a frequently poorly performing midfielder. He is Thomas Hitzlsperger with more charisma.
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
Can't read danger and tackling can be poor from him.
Doesn't have the engine or will to be B2B.
Doesn't move the ball quick enough to be a world class CAM and at times basic passing deserts him
Now CAM/#10 is the best use of him and it is where he has been most useful under Ole but he isn't reliable enough in that position to deliver for us.
If Paul Scholes can beat Arsenal in a midfield two with Phil Neville then your world record transfer fee, world cup winning central midfielder should
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idiot comment of the day award goes to ...
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
—
I think that’s the issue. He’s kind of a specialist player with only really one position he’s very good at, and needs the setup to suit. He will never control ganes, he won’t drag you out of the mire (though we have seen very seldom glimpses-city for example). He’s a luxury player somewhat, who’s talented, and has a prized ability to find a cutting pass.
Play to his strengths or sell him. If the system ole wants to roll with doesn’t suit, sell him and buy soneine who does. Or, build round him (I have my reservations on how long he will be at OT, but, you have 2 choices.
Just don’t try and make him a midfield general or crucial cog, it doesn’t work. Let him play his game.
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
What?
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 13 minutes ago
If Paul Scholes can beat Arsenal in a midfield two with Phil Neville then your world record transfer fee, world cup winning central midfielder should be able to at least put in a passable performance without two players to help him yet we have seen on numerous occasions lesser heralded players dominate him.
In reality though we've been sold a pup and should cash in to build the midfield we need. Behind the fancy haircuts and occasionally spectacular longranger he is a frequently poorly performing midfielder. He is Thomas Hitzlsperger with more charisma.
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
Can't read danger and tackling can be poor from him.
Doesn't have the engine or will to be B2B.
Doesn't move the ball quick enough to be a world class CAM and at times basic passing deserts him
Now CAM/#10 is the best use of him and it is where he has been most useful under Ole but he isn't reliable enough in that position to deliver for us.
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^^^
Now there is someone without a clue
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
—
I think that’s the issue. He’s kind of a specialist player with only really one position he’s very good at, and needs the setup to suit. He will never control ganes, he won’t drag you out of the mire (though we have seen very seldom glimpses-city for example). He’s a luxury player somewhat, who’s talented, and has a prized ability to find a cutting pass.
Play to his strengths or sell him. If the system ole wants to roll with doesn’t suit, sell him and buy soneine who does. Or, build round him (I have my reservations on how long he will be at OT, but, you have 2 choices.
Just don’t try and make him a midfield general or crucial cog, it doesn’t work. Let him play his game.
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Exactly this.
Has anyone watched United in the last 3 months? What ever formation you play Pogba in, he's still been inconsistent at best. Martial has been dreadful since he got his new contract too. Lingard has been a waste of space since he came back from injury. At least not through lack of effort on his part. But we're a team of players going through the motions.
I haven't even got started on our defenders yet! Name another team who lose 75% of headed balls in their own box. Symptomatic of just not trying hard enough
Totally what Merry says above.
Doesnt matter who or how good the oppo is: Watford Paris Southampton Brighton Barcelona Burnley and West Ham, we give them the ball constantly and make them all look like Brazil. They outcompete us in every part of the pitch, seem to have better players than us and from back to front and across all our lines look better set up and organised than us
Root and branch surgery needed.
I’m looking forward to my trip to old Trafford
Should be fun
Again
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posted on 13/4/19
Giving him a contract was a thick idea. Guys done nothing yet.
posted on 13/4/19
Pogba just does not have the intelligence or discipline to play in a two. He’s god awful there, and to be fair to him it’s not his game. He will never control football matches, he’s there to pick locks. Play him somewhere with less responsibility and let him do his thing, don’t try and make him a midfield general.
posted on 13/4/19
Yeah McT should have come on in the second half...
posted on 13/4/19
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Pogba just does not have the intelligence or discipline to play in a two. He’s god awful there, and to be fair to him it’s not his game. He will never control football matches, he’s there to pick locks. Play him somewhere with less responsibility and let him do his thing, don’t try and make him a midfield general.
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Everybody seems to know this apart from Manchester United managers.
posted on 13/4/19
Baz👍
posted on 13/4/19
pogba is a fantastic attacking player and lacks the sense of awareness to understand potential defensive dangers. That is why he is happy to take silly touches in his own half when he can and has the ability to make simple passes in his own half.
fred is showing the right attitude but and make some good decisions. But I cannot find it in me to respect a cm/dm who is always facing their own goal or chasing the game
posted on 13/4/19
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
posted on 13/4/19
As a critic of Fred, he has been better recently. Still, he keeps getting caught in possession in terrible areas and, like against Wolves, nearly resulted in a goal conceded again today. He needs to switch on in those positions because at PL level you’re likely to get caught out.
posted on 13/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 11 seconds ago
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I remember that press conference where OGS suggested moving pogba deeper will allow us to control games better.
1)I remember thinking OGS will soon find pogba will cause more problems playing in a deeper role
2)Hopefully means OGS recognises that we desperately need a player who can dictate play from a deeper position
posted on 13/4/19
Pogba in a midfield 2 is just about passable against certain opponents with the right partner. That partner is not Fred. It doesn't excuse how sloppy we were but that was the root of our problems today IMO. Could tell the moment I saw the line up how open we were going to be, and how little control we would have. Naive from Ole.
posted on 13/4/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Pogba just does not have the intelligence or discipline to play in a two. He’s god awful there, and to be fair to him it’s not his game. He will never control football matches, he’s there to pick locks. Play him somewhere with less responsibility and let him do his thing, don’t try and make him a midfield general.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everybody seems to know this apart from Manchester United managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I suppose there’s the temptation because of his physique. But you’d expect them to Atleast know that role does not suit him. He’s never going to be a deep lying playmaker, lacks the tick over and shaping skills of a great Cm, lacks defensive ability and crucially concentration. If he’d Been 5’9 you’d seen managers actually try and play him where he’s suited, admittedly it’s a specialist position, he’s an enhancer, not a player who drags the team up, he’s good when complimented by already good players, not someone who can elevate a struggling team.
posted on 13/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
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Another young player Chelsea let go!
posted on 13/4/19
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 16 minutes ago
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
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Another young player Chelsea let go!
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We should snap up billy gilmour from Chelsea before he breaks through, that kid will be mike’s better than rice
posted on 13/4/19
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Pogba just does not have the intelligence or discipline to play in a two. He’s god awful there, and to be fair to him it’s not his game. He will never control football matches, he’s there to pick locks. Play him somewhere with less responsibility and let him do his thing, don’t try and make him a midfield general.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Everybody seems to know this apart from Manchester United managers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I suppose there’s the temptation because of his physique. But you’d expect them to Atleast know that role does not suit him. He’s never going to be a deep lying playmaker, lacks the tick over and shaping skills of a great Cm, lacks defensive ability and crucially concentration. If he’d Been 5’9 you’d seen managers actually try and play him where he’s suited, admittedly it’s a specialist position, he’s an enhancer, not a player who drags the team up, he’s good when complimented by already good players, not someone who can elevate a struggling team.
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They've watched him try, and fail, before. And it's not his fault: it's just not his game.
Why they persist, I'll never know. We'd have been better off today playing him (still out of position) in place of Martial or Mata with an additional CM paired with Fred.
Or just recognise that he's a left sided eight, and a very good one, and set us up in a 4-3-3 ffs.
posted on 13/4/19
It’s his height and physique. If a5’9 player he’d be played where they know he works.
posted on 13/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 50 minutes ago
Ole mentioned a couple of weeks ago he wanted to play Pogba deeper. Hope he learnt his lesson today
Declan Rice was excellent and someone we should be all over this summer
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Rice will be a very good player in time, but i think right now he’s a bit flavour of the month. He’s going to dip in form and have to work hard to learn some things, i don’t know if he’s ready for united yet. Think he could do with another couple years at west ham playing consistent football. It’s his first real season playing football in the premier league remember.
Loftus-Cheek absolutely bossed him last week in midfield for example, don’t know that he’s ready to be United’s midfield saviour yet
posted on 13/4/19
If Paul Scholes can beat Arsenal in a midfield two with Phil Neville then your world record transfer fee, world cup winning central midfielder should be able to at least put in a passable performance without two players to help him yet we have seen on numerous occasions lesser heralded players dominate him.
In reality though we've been sold a pup and should cash in to build the midfield we need. Behind the fancy haircuts and occasionally spectacular longranger he is a frequently poorly performing midfielder. He is Thomas Hitzlsperger with more charisma.
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
Can't read danger and tackling can be poor from him.
Doesn't have the engine or will to be B2B.
Doesn't move the ball quick enough to be a world class CAM and at times basic passing deserts him
Now CAM/#10 is the best use of him and it is where he has been most useful under Ole but he isn't reliable enough in that position to deliver for us.
posted on 13/4/19
If Paul Scholes can beat Arsenal in a midfield two with Phil Neville then your world record transfer fee, world cup winning central midfielder should
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idiot comment of the day award goes to ...
posted on 13/4/19
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
—
I think that’s the issue. He’s kind of a specialist player with only really one position he’s very good at, and needs the setup to suit. He will never control ganes, he won’t drag you out of the mire (though we have seen very seldom glimpses-city for example). He’s a luxury player somewhat, who’s talented, and has a prized ability to find a cutting pass.
Play to his strengths or sell him. If the system ole wants to roll with doesn’t suit, sell him and buy soneine who does. Or, build round him (I have my reservations on how long he will be at OT, but, you have 2 choices.
Just don’t try and make him a midfield general or crucial cog, it doesn’t work. Let him play his game.
posted on 13/4/19
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
What?
posted on 13/4/19
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 13 minutes ago
If Paul Scholes can beat Arsenal in a midfield two with Phil Neville then your world record transfer fee, world cup winning central midfielder should be able to at least put in a passable performance without two players to help him yet we have seen on numerous occasions lesser heralded players dominate him.
In reality though we've been sold a pup and should cash in to build the midfield we need. Behind the fancy haircuts and occasionally spectacular longranger he is a frequently poorly performing midfielder. He is Thomas Hitzlsperger with more charisma.
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
Can't read danger and tackling can be poor from him.
Doesn't have the engine or will to be B2B.
Doesn't move the ball quick enough to be a world class CAM and at times basic passing deserts him
Now CAM/#10 is the best use of him and it is where he has been most useful under Ole but he isn't reliable enough in that position to deliver for us.
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^^^
Now there is someone without a clue
posted on 13/4/19
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
When you think of the 3 types of midfielder (defensive specialist, box to box, CAM) it appears he does not possess the intrinsic attritbutes of any of them.
—
I think that’s the issue. He’s kind of a specialist player with only really one position he’s very good at, and needs the setup to suit. He will never control ganes, he won’t drag you out of the mire (though we have seen very seldom glimpses-city for example). He’s a luxury player somewhat, who’s talented, and has a prized ability to find a cutting pass.
Play to his strengths or sell him. If the system ole wants to roll with doesn’t suit, sell him and buy soneine who does. Or, build round him (I have my reservations on how long he will be at OT, but, you have 2 choices.
Just don’t try and make him a midfield general or crucial cog, it doesn’t work. Let him play his game.
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Exactly this.
posted on 14/4/19
Has anyone watched United in the last 3 months? What ever formation you play Pogba in, he's still been inconsistent at best. Martial has been dreadful since he got his new contract too. Lingard has been a waste of space since he came back from injury. At least not through lack of effort on his part. But we're a team of players going through the motions.
I haven't even got started on our defenders yet! Name another team who lose 75% of headed balls in their own box. Symptomatic of just not trying hard enough
posted on 14/4/19
Totally what Merry says above.
Doesnt matter who or how good the oppo is: Watford Paris Southampton Brighton Barcelona Burnley and West Ham, we give them the ball constantly and make them all look like Brazil. They outcompete us in every part of the pitch, seem to have better players than us and from back to front and across all our lines look better set up and organised than us
Root and branch surgery needed.
posted on 14/4/19
I’m looking forward to my trip to old Trafford
Should be fun
Again
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