How did Chelsea fluke it? They won because they were better at scoring goals and not letting them in themselves, that's the entire point of the game. How many shots, corners, possession you have means f-ck all.
Had the officials made errors in their favour or a freak accident occurred that had nothing to do with the teams playing then yes you could say it was a fluke but they won the CL because they fairly beat every team in their way to winning it.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 seconds ago
How did Chelsea fluke it? They won because they were better at scoring goals and not letting them in themselves, that's the entire point of the game. How many shots, corners, possession you have means f-ck all.
Had the officials made errors in their favour or a freak accident occurred that had nothing to do with the teams playing then yes you could say it was a fluke but they won the CL because they fairly beat every team in their way to winning it.
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They scored with literally the only chance they had, which backs up what you said, but otherwise it was a very negative and somewhat lucky performance. I give them credit for, and the game in Barcelona too which was something else. On the basis of the final, I thought they lucked out a fair bit, and sometimes you get that luck, and sometimes that’s the difference.
How was it luck? Barca and Bayern failed to score because they weren't good enough and/or Chelsea defended well enough to stop them. They were negative because that was their game plan and it worked, so what if they only had 1 shot on goal and scored from it, they also only scored 1 goal, same as Bayern who failed to score more because they were unable to do so. Bayern players not scoring from their shots is equally their own fault for not being good enough and the Chelsea defence doing their job well.
That isn't luck.
If you go into a game with a plan and it works, there’s no luck involved. Having a million shots and scoring 0 is poor finishing/good keeping.
Unless it’s a freak goal like it deflecting in off a beach ball.
manutd1982 the amazing thing about that Chelsea 2012 win was a lot of the old guard trying for many years were in it with some new players but the main thing was performance wise it was the worst season Chelsea had in CL but efficiency wise it was best. I think Chelsea scored a goal every 5 shots that campaign and conceded a goal every 25 shots or something like that which to do it all campaign is insane. I think Chelsea had the fewest shots and most conceded per game to win it in CL history but the most efficient at both ends.
Football is the only sport you can win consistently by being dreadful in 90% of things.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
How was it luck? Barca and Bayern failed to score because they weren't good enough and/or Chelsea defended well enough to stop them. They were negative because that was their game plan and it worked, so what if they only had 1 shot on goal and scored from it, they also only scored 1 goal, same as Bayern who failed to score more because they were unable to do so. Bayern players not scoring from their shots is equally their own fault for not being good enough and the Chelsea defence doing their job well.
That isn't luck.
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Sone of that is true, but there was a lot of luck in Chelsea’s favour.
You don't seem to understand what luck means, what favours went their way?
If a player shoots and fails to score he has either executed the shot poorly which isn't bad luck, or the opponent has stopped it somehow, again not luck but good defending which is a huge part of the game.
Chelsea scored their goals through a very good corner by Mata and an excellent header by Drogba, no luck whatsover. Robben missed a penalty because he couldn't handle the pressure, took a poor shot and Cech saved it, again, no luck. Chelsea won the shootout because they were better at penalties, Schweinstieger hit the post because his shot wasn't good enough, none of these things are luck.
Explain to me any significant moment that were not down to either Chelsea being efficient, defending well or Bayern being poor with their finishing? None of which of these things are luck.
It is lucky when teams miss many easy chances you would expect to concede.
They say its better to be lucky than good. I reckon Bayern Munich expected goals in the final was 5 to Chelsea 1.
When Chelsea beat Barcelona 1-0 they should really have conceded 5 or 6 goals and Chelsea scored from pretty much there only attack all game lol.
The way Chelsea won the CL was like winning the lottery despite the odds of them doing that way was completely near impossible they did it.
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 10 seconds ago
Hafi knows
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If you ever have to write that you better just shut the door on your way out.
I thought they were pretty lucky tbh.
It is all relative to the perspective. Bayern weren't unlucky as it is down to poor finishing on their part. Chelsea were lucky that the Bayern players finished poorly though. Any outcome that is out of that individual or teams control can be considered lucky or unlucky for them. There were other moments, such as saves or when Chelsea defended well, which weren't luck at all.
Europa suits me, I can opt out of those games.
To be honest I'm at the point of acceptance in terms of our standing in the PL right now. A huge rebuild is, again, required.
I don't think there is a dilemmma at all. We won't be beating City unless they don't turn up.
Some of our players are already on holiday.
Saturday was the first time I really had a good look at Rice and he was everything our midfield players were not. He wanted to win every single ball.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
Europa suits me, I can opt out of those games.
To be honest I'm at the point of acceptance in terms of our standing in the PL right now. A huge rebuild is, again, required.
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It's not about rebuilding.
It's about improving - supplementing and complementing - what we have how we can and then getting the best out of what we've already got.
And that means getting the best out of the players physically (and by that I primarily mean conditioning), mentally, tactically and technically.
We have a group of players that individually are able to play at a very, very high level. Imagine getting the best out of Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Lingard, Herrera, Matic, Smalling, Lindelof, Shaw and DDG each and every week. That'd be a magnificent platform.
We need the squad to be as fit, as physically and mentally prepared, and as cohesive as possible. That's the job in front of the manager and his staff, and that's what he needs to focus on primarily this summer.
Meanwhile in other news...
Still 6th.
Meanwhile Klopp still won nada with Pool.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47943076
Unlucky?
Atalanta weren’t but empoli were lucky
https://understat.com/league/Serie_A/2018
Expected goals 5.08 vs 0.22. Imagine if Empoli won lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq3nUGpHL70
Top 4 hopes up in flames maybe.
Wow Empoli had a clear chance saved early on so they should have won.
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What a dilemma lads..
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posted on 15/4/19
How did Chelsea fluke it? They won because they were better at scoring goals and not letting them in themselves, that's the entire point of the game. How many shots, corners, possession you have means f-ck all.
Had the officials made errors in their favour or a freak accident occurred that had nothing to do with the teams playing then yes you could say it was a fluke but they won the CL because they fairly beat every team in their way to winning it.
posted on 15/4/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 seconds ago
How did Chelsea fluke it? They won because they were better at scoring goals and not letting them in themselves, that's the entire point of the game. How many shots, corners, possession you have means f-ck all.
Had the officials made errors in their favour or a freak accident occurred that had nothing to do with the teams playing then yes you could say it was a fluke but they won the CL because they fairly beat every team in their way to winning it.
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They scored with literally the only chance they had, which backs up what you said, but otherwise it was a very negative and somewhat lucky performance. I give them credit for, and the game in Barcelona too which was something else. On the basis of the final, I thought they lucked out a fair bit, and sometimes you get that luck, and sometimes that’s the difference.
posted on 15/4/19
How was it luck? Barca and Bayern failed to score because they weren't good enough and/or Chelsea defended well enough to stop them. They were negative because that was their game plan and it worked, so what if they only had 1 shot on goal and scored from it, they also only scored 1 goal, same as Bayern who failed to score more because they were unable to do so. Bayern players not scoring from their shots is equally their own fault for not being good enough and the Chelsea defence doing their job well.
That isn't luck.
posted on 15/4/19
If you go into a game with a plan and it works, there’s no luck involved. Having a million shots and scoring 0 is poor finishing/good keeping.
Unless it’s a freak goal like it deflecting in off a beach ball.
posted on 15/4/19
manutd1982 the amazing thing about that Chelsea 2012 win was a lot of the old guard trying for many years were in it with some new players but the main thing was performance wise it was the worst season Chelsea had in CL but efficiency wise it was best. I think Chelsea scored a goal every 5 shots that campaign and conceded a goal every 25 shots or something like that which to do it all campaign is insane. I think Chelsea had the fewest shots and most conceded per game to win it in CL history but the most efficient at both ends.
Football is the only sport you can win consistently by being dreadful in 90% of things.
posted on 15/4/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
How was it luck? Barca and Bayern failed to score because they weren't good enough and/or Chelsea defended well enough to stop them. They were negative because that was their game plan and it worked, so what if they only had 1 shot on goal and scored from it, they also only scored 1 goal, same as Bayern who failed to score more because they were unable to do so. Bayern players not scoring from their shots is equally their own fault for not being good enough and the Chelsea defence doing their job well.
That isn't luck.
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Sone of that is true, but there was a lot of luck in Chelsea’s favour.
posted on 15/4/19
You don't seem to understand what luck means, what favours went their way?
If a player shoots and fails to score he has either executed the shot poorly which isn't bad luck, or the opponent has stopped it somehow, again not luck but good defending which is a huge part of the game.
Chelsea scored their goals through a very good corner by Mata and an excellent header by Drogba, no luck whatsover. Robben missed a penalty because he couldn't handle the pressure, took a poor shot and Cech saved it, again, no luck. Chelsea won the shootout because they were better at penalties, Schweinstieger hit the post because his shot wasn't good enough, none of these things are luck.
Explain to me any significant moment that were not down to either Chelsea being efficient, defending well or Bayern being poor with their finishing? None of which of these things are luck.
posted on 15/4/19
It is lucky when teams miss many easy chances you would expect to concede.
They say its better to be lucky than good. I reckon Bayern Munich expected goals in the final was 5 to Chelsea 1.
When Chelsea beat Barcelona 1-0 they should really have conceded 5 or 6 goals and Chelsea scored from pretty much there only attack all game lol.
The way Chelsea won the CL was like winning the lottery despite the odds of them doing that way was completely near impossible they did it.
posted on 15/4/19
Hafi knows
posted on 15/4/19
comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 10 seconds ago
Hafi knows
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If you ever have to write that you better just shut the door on your way out.
posted on 15/4/19
I thought they were pretty lucky tbh.
It is all relative to the perspective. Bayern weren't unlucky as it is down to poor finishing on their part. Chelsea were lucky that the Bayern players finished poorly though. Any outcome that is out of that individual or teams control can be considered lucky or unlucky for them. There were other moments, such as saves or when Chelsea defended well, which weren't luck at all.
posted on 15/4/19
Europa suits me, I can opt out of those games.
To be honest I'm at the point of acceptance in terms of our standing in the PL right now. A huge rebuild is, again, required.
posted on 15/4/19
I don't think there is a dilemmma at all. We won't be beating City unless they don't turn up.
Some of our players are already on holiday.
Saturday was the first time I really had a good look at Rice and he was everything our midfield players were not. He wanted to win every single ball.
posted on 15/4/19
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
Europa suits me, I can opt out of those games.
To be honest I'm at the point of acceptance in terms of our standing in the PL right now. A huge rebuild is, again, required.
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It's not about rebuilding.
It's about improving - supplementing and complementing - what we have how we can and then getting the best out of what we've already got.
And that means getting the best out of the players physically (and by that I primarily mean conditioning), mentally, tactically and technically.
We have a group of players that individually are able to play at a very, very high level. Imagine getting the best out of Lukaku, Rashford, Martial, Pogba, Lingard, Herrera, Matic, Smalling, Lindelof, Shaw and DDG each and every week. That'd be a magnificent platform.
We need the squad to be as fit, as physically and mentally prepared, and as cohesive as possible. That's the job in front of the manager and his staff, and that's what he needs to focus on primarily this summer.
posted on 15/4/19
Meanwhile in other news...
Still 6th.
posted on 15/4/19
Meanwhile Klopp still won nada with Pool.
posted on 16/4/19
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47943076
Unlucky?
posted on 16/4/19
Atalanta weren’t but empoli were lucky
posted on 16/4/19
https://understat.com/league/Serie_A/2018
Expected goals 5.08 vs 0.22. Imagine if Empoli won lol.
posted on 16/4/19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq3nUGpHL70
Top 4 hopes up in flames maybe.
posted on 16/4/19
Wow Empoli had a clear chance saved early on so they should have won.
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