Not worth ruining his future by throwing him in now. We need to have a clear plan for bringing in youth players rather than just throwing them in for the sake of it.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 59 seconds ago
Not worth ruining his future by throwing him in now. We need to have a clear plan for bringing in youth players rather than just throwing them in for the sake of it.
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Did Rashford no harm.
He can’t be any worse than our current first team
Rashford was a one in a million type risk that paid off. Greenwood has all the time in the world and is going well in the reserves. A few bad games against some adults is potentially harmful. Him being in the side of not probably isn’t gonna be the difference between top 4 or not so he should stay in the reserves for now. Way too early.
You have a point Robb. May be time to bring in Chong at least. He’s nearly 20. We need to shake it up
Think Chong might get some game time as he’s a bit ahead in his development
Going forward Ole imo has targets to hit to keep his job and while I don’t think he’s gonna rely on youth , if he did it might be an issue as the league is so competitive that some proven talent has to be in there with at most maybe 2/3 young players in the side
Still huge doubts whether he is the long term answer.
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Yet a kid with 10 minutes action should play against Everton, City and Chelsea?
Spot on OP
Let's give the youth a go
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 14 minutes ago
Still huge doubts whether he is the long term answer.
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Yet a kid with 10 minutes action should play against Everton, City and Chelsea?
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I don’t know but he literally cannot be any worse
Robb, I know you are wary of promoting youth, and always advocate signing players, but I wish you would stop saying 'throwing them in'. They are introduced when the manager thinks they can gain from the experience or are ready to stake a claim to a first team place. And you know as a United fan, it's not one in a million who do well. Some do some don't and that's the same under all managers including SAF;
I don't know if Greenwood is ready, but I suspect you don't either. 30 or 45 minutes isn't going to ruin him for the future, and who knows, he may be another Rooney and ready even though young.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Robb, I know you are wary of promoting youth, and always advocate signing players, but I wish you would stop saying 'throwing them in'. They are introduced when the manager thinks they can gain from the experience or are ready to stake a claim to a first team place. And you know as a United fan, it's not one in a million who do well. Some do some don't and that's the same under all managers including SAF;
I don't know if Greenwood is ready, but I suspect you don't either. 30 or 45 minutes isn't going to ruin him for the future, and who knows, he may be another Rooney and ready even though young.
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True but regular watchers of him on here seem to think he had a way to go before he’s quite ready for the first team
We have the likes of Lukaku, Rashford, Sanchez, Martial etc all whom while not playing amazingly well now are still better players than the current incarnation of Greenwood and deserve to be given chances at least for this season.
Promoting youth should always be part of a long term plan rather than just shrugging shoulders and thinking ‘why not’
Rashford also had more size and muscle than our kids. All of Greenwood, Chong and Gomes are wee lads compared to what is required for the job. I'm not saying they aren't going to be the goods, but all need some time in the gym, and hopefully some of that McTominay growth spurt action.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Rashford was a one in a million type risk that paid off.
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One in a million like Giggs, the Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Owen, Fowler, Smith, Walcott, Lennon, Wilshere, Shaw etc etc?
I wouldn't be making Greenwood first choice, but he has a chance as back up
comment by Uncle Ray (U18999)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rashford also had more size and muscle than our kids. All of Greenwood, Chong and Gomes are wee lads compared to what is required for the job. I'm not saying they aren't going to be the goods, but all need some time in the gym, and hopefully some of that McTominay growth spurt action.
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Rashford and Greenwood are both 5ft 11" and I don't beleive that Rashford was more muscular than Greenwood when he broke through. Nor did any of his goals in his debut season have anything to do with strength. They all came from good movent and good finishing.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Rashford was a one in a million type risk that paid off.
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One in a million like Giggs, the Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Owen, Fowler, Smith, Walcott, Lennon, Wilshere, Shaw etc etc?
I wouldn't be making Greenwood first choice, but he has a chance as back up
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It would be the ultimate sign of our decline if we went into next season with Rashford and Greenwood as our striking choices
I never see you advocating us playing any youngsters Robb, except maybe Chong whi will be 21 next season. Let us know when they are ready please in future.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
I never see you advocating us playing any youngsters Robb, except maybe Chong whi will be 21 next season. Let us know when they are ready please in future.
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There are plenty of youngsters who I feel could play for us
TFM - Imo he’s ready now and would happily see him back at the club next season. And I wouldn’t be against Tuanzebe getting games too. Chong as mentioned before should be in the squad as well.
Back when the class of 92 came through they were very lucky the likes of Bruce, Cantona, Big Pete, Irwin, Keane etc were there to guide them through some hard moments. We don’t have too many players like that in the side so imo over promoting youngsters at this stage is dangerous. Especially when we’re in a top 4 race every season and up against some excellent, top class and proven players.
Nowhere have I said Greenwood is rubbish and wont make it - just that it’s maybe a bit too soon for him and there’s really no rush for him to be playing. And that’s a judgment based on the two experts on youth football who watch him every week.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Rashford was a one in a million type risk that paid off.
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One in a million like Giggs, the Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Owen, Fowler, Smith, Walcott, Lennon, Wilshere, Shaw etc etc?
I wouldn't be making Greenwood first choice, but he has a chance as back up
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It would be the ultimate sign of our decline if we went into next season with Rashford and Greenwood as our striking choices
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That would depend who else we bring in. Martial could also be an option up top if we strengthen in the wide areas.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
I never see you advocating us playing any youngsters Robb, except maybe Chong whi will be 21 next season. Let us know when they are ready please in future.
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There are plenty of youngsters who I feel could play for us
TFM - Imo he’s ready now and would happily see him back at the club next season. And I wouldn’t be against Tuanzebe getting games too. Chong as mentioned before should be in the squad as well.
Back when the class of 92 came through they were very lucky the likes of Bruce, Cantona, Big Pete, Irwin, Keane etc were there to guide them through some hard moments. We don’t have too many players like that in the side so imo over promoting youngsters at this stage is dangerous. Especially when we’re in a top 4 race every season and up against some excellent, top class and proven players.
Nowhere have I said Greenwood is rubbish and wont make it - just that it’s maybe a bit too soon for him and there’s really no rush for him to be playing. And that’s a judgment based on the two experts on youth football who watch him every week.
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Robb, the only persons opinion that really matters is Ole's. The rest of us are irrelevant. He has been eager to get Greenwood in and around the first team and injuries have prevented that happening a few times.
You say that there is no rush to get him in the team, but there is a growing trend for young PL players to seek football elsewhere if they aren't breaking into the first team. We can't lose this lad.
Greenwood only just signed his contract 5 months ago. If not starting games means he’ll leave then he can go because that’s completely the wrong attitude.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 28 seconds ago
Greenwood only just signed his contract 5 months ago. If not starting games means he’ll leave then he can go because that’s completely the wrong attitude.
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Its the wrong attitude to want to play football? I'd say that's the right attitude. Didn't do Pogba any harm. Sancho is getting on nicely.
To threaten to leave (hypothetically if he did) for not playing games when he has just turned 19 a month ago isn’t the right attitude.
Who turned 19 a month ago?
Sorry, I was getting his age mixed up with Sancho. It’s even worse, Greenwood is 17!
There’s no indication he’s even thinking about leaving for regular football so I won’t paint him with a negative brush but at 17 he really shouldn’t be expecting much for a while and rightly so. It’s good he’s around the squad but there’s absolutely no way on earth he should start next season as Rashfords deputy.
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
Sorry, I was getting his age mixed up with Sancho. It’s even worse, Greenwood is 17!
There’s no indication he’s even thinking about leaving for regular football so I won’t paint him with a negative brush but at 17 he really shouldn’t be expecting much for a while and rightly so. It’s good he’s around the squad but there’s absolutely no way on earth he should start next season as Rashfords deputy.
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You would have said the same about Owen being backup to Fowler. He went on to win the PL golden Boot that season. Greenwood has been picked to play above his age group throughout his early career because of his talent.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
Sorry, I was getting his age mixed up with Sancho. It’s even worse, Greenwood is 17!
There’s no indication he’s even thinking about leaving for regular football so I won’t paint him with a negative brush but at 17 he really shouldn’t be expecting much for a while and rightly so. It’s good he’s around the squad but there’s absolutely no way on earth he should start next season as Rashfords deputy.
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You would have said the same about Owen being backup to Fowler. He went on to win the PL golden Boot that season. Greenwood has been picked to play above his age group throughout his early career because of his talent.
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There’s no indication he’s anywhere near as good as a Michael Owen who just 12 months after his debut (give or take a month or two) was scoring amazing goals at a World Cup.
And besides, Fowler was God and a reliable goal scorer. Rashford is still not quite that reliable and has never scored over 10 league goals in a season.
We need to give Ole all he needs to succeed. Not give him two strikers who aren’t going to guarantee him big returns on goals.
And I’m not even saying Lukaku is the answer. He may well leave. If he does the best thing `Ole can do for his job prospects at United is to bring in a 30 goal a season striker
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posted on 17/4/19
Not worth ruining his future by throwing him in now. We need to have a clear plan for bringing in youth players rather than just throwing them in for the sake of it.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 59 seconds ago
Not worth ruining his future by throwing him in now. We need to have a clear plan for bringing in youth players rather than just throwing them in for the sake of it.
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Did Rashford no harm.
He can’t be any worse than our current first team
posted on 17/4/19
Rashford was a one in a million type risk that paid off. Greenwood has all the time in the world and is going well in the reserves. A few bad games against some adults is potentially harmful. Him being in the side of not probably isn’t gonna be the difference between top 4 or not so he should stay in the reserves for now. Way too early.
posted on 17/4/19
You have a point Robb. May be time to bring in Chong at least. He’s nearly 20. We need to shake it up
posted on 17/4/19
Think Chong might get some game time as he’s a bit ahead in his development
Going forward Ole imo has targets to hit to keep his job and while I don’t think he’s gonna rely on youth , if he did it might be an issue as the league is so competitive that some proven talent has to be in there with at most maybe 2/3 young players in the side
posted on 17/4/19
Still huge doubts whether he is the long term answer.
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Yet a kid with 10 minutes action should play against Everton, City and Chelsea?
posted on 17/4/19
Spot on OP
Let's give the youth a go
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 14 minutes ago
Still huge doubts whether he is the long term answer.
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Yet a kid with 10 minutes action should play against Everton, City and Chelsea?
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I don’t know but he literally cannot be any worse
posted on 17/4/19
Robb, I know you are wary of promoting youth, and always advocate signing players, but I wish you would stop saying 'throwing them in'. They are introduced when the manager thinks they can gain from the experience or are ready to stake a claim to a first team place. And you know as a United fan, it's not one in a million who do well. Some do some don't and that's the same under all managers including SAF;
I don't know if Greenwood is ready, but I suspect you don't either. 30 or 45 minutes isn't going to ruin him for the future, and who knows, he may be another Rooney and ready even though young.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Robb, I know you are wary of promoting youth, and always advocate signing players, but I wish you would stop saying 'throwing them in'. They are introduced when the manager thinks they can gain from the experience or are ready to stake a claim to a first team place. And you know as a United fan, it's not one in a million who do well. Some do some don't and that's the same under all managers including SAF;
I don't know if Greenwood is ready, but I suspect you don't either. 30 or 45 minutes isn't going to ruin him for the future, and who knows, he may be another Rooney and ready even though young.
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True but regular watchers of him on here seem to think he had a way to go before he’s quite ready for the first team
We have the likes of Lukaku, Rashford, Sanchez, Martial etc all whom while not playing amazingly well now are still better players than the current incarnation of Greenwood and deserve to be given chances at least for this season.
Promoting youth should always be part of a long term plan rather than just shrugging shoulders and thinking ‘why not’
posted on 17/4/19
Rashford also had more size and muscle than our kids. All of Greenwood, Chong and Gomes are wee lads compared to what is required for the job. I'm not saying they aren't going to be the goods, but all need some time in the gym, and hopefully some of that McTominay growth spurt action.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Rashford was a one in a million type risk that paid off.
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One in a million like Giggs, the Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Owen, Fowler, Smith, Walcott, Lennon, Wilshere, Shaw etc etc?
I wouldn't be making Greenwood first choice, but he has a chance as back up
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Uncle Ray (U18999)
posted 11 minutes ago
Rashford also had more size and muscle than our kids. All of Greenwood, Chong and Gomes are wee lads compared to what is required for the job. I'm not saying they aren't going to be the goods, but all need some time in the gym, and hopefully some of that McTominay growth spurt action.
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Rashford and Greenwood are both 5ft 11" and I don't beleive that Rashford was more muscular than Greenwood when he broke through. Nor did any of his goals in his debut season have anything to do with strength. They all came from good movent and good finishing.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Rashford was a one in a million type risk that paid off.
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One in a million like Giggs, the Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Owen, Fowler, Smith, Walcott, Lennon, Wilshere, Shaw etc etc?
I wouldn't be making Greenwood first choice, but he has a chance as back up
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It would be the ultimate sign of our decline if we went into next season with Rashford and Greenwood as our striking choices
posted on 17/4/19
I never see you advocating us playing any youngsters Robb, except maybe Chong whi will be 21 next season. Let us know when they are ready please in future.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
I never see you advocating us playing any youngsters Robb, except maybe Chong whi will be 21 next season. Let us know when they are ready please in future.
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There are plenty of youngsters who I feel could play for us
TFM - Imo he’s ready now and would happily see him back at the club next season. And I wouldn’t be against Tuanzebe getting games too. Chong as mentioned before should be in the squad as well.
Back when the class of 92 came through they were very lucky the likes of Bruce, Cantona, Big Pete, Irwin, Keane etc were there to guide them through some hard moments. We don’t have too many players like that in the side so imo over promoting youngsters at this stage is dangerous. Especially when we’re in a top 4 race every season and up against some excellent, top class and proven players.
Nowhere have I said Greenwood is rubbish and wont make it - just that it’s maybe a bit too soon for him and there’s really no rush for him to be playing. And that’s a judgment based on the two experts on youth football who watch him every week.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
Rashford was a one in a million type risk that paid off.
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One in a million like Giggs, the Nevilles, Butt, Scholes, Owen, Fowler, Smith, Walcott, Lennon, Wilshere, Shaw etc etc?
I wouldn't be making Greenwood first choice, but he has a chance as back up
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It would be the ultimate sign of our decline if we went into next season with Rashford and Greenwood as our striking choices
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That would depend who else we bring in. Martial could also be an option up top if we strengthen in the wide areas.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 14 seconds ago
I never see you advocating us playing any youngsters Robb, except maybe Chong whi will be 21 next season. Let us know when they are ready please in future.
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There are plenty of youngsters who I feel could play for us
TFM - Imo he’s ready now and would happily see him back at the club next season. And I wouldn’t be against Tuanzebe getting games too. Chong as mentioned before should be in the squad as well.
Back when the class of 92 came through they were very lucky the likes of Bruce, Cantona, Big Pete, Irwin, Keane etc were there to guide them through some hard moments. We don’t have too many players like that in the side so imo over promoting youngsters at this stage is dangerous. Especially when we’re in a top 4 race every season and up against some excellent, top class and proven players.
Nowhere have I said Greenwood is rubbish and wont make it - just that it’s maybe a bit too soon for him and there’s really no rush for him to be playing. And that’s a judgment based on the two experts on youth football who watch him every week.
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Robb, the only persons opinion that really matters is Ole's. The rest of us are irrelevant. He has been eager to get Greenwood in and around the first team and injuries have prevented that happening a few times.
You say that there is no rush to get him in the team, but there is a growing trend for young PL players to seek football elsewhere if they aren't breaking into the first team. We can't lose this lad.
posted on 17/4/19
Greenwood only just signed his contract 5 months ago. If not starting games means he’ll leave then he can go because that’s completely the wrong attitude.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 28 seconds ago
Greenwood only just signed his contract 5 months ago. If not starting games means he’ll leave then he can go because that’s completely the wrong attitude.
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Its the wrong attitude to want to play football? I'd say that's the right attitude. Didn't do Pogba any harm. Sancho is getting on nicely.
posted on 17/4/19
To threaten to leave (hypothetically if he did) for not playing games when he has just turned 19 a month ago isn’t the right attitude.
posted on 17/4/19
Who turned 19 a month ago?
posted on 17/4/19
Sorry, I was getting his age mixed up with Sancho. It’s even worse, Greenwood is 17!
There’s no indication he’s even thinking about leaving for regular football so I won’t paint him with a negative brush but at 17 he really shouldn’t be expecting much for a while and rightly so. It’s good he’s around the squad but there’s absolutely no way on earth he should start next season as Rashfords deputy.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
Sorry, I was getting his age mixed up with Sancho. It’s even worse, Greenwood is 17!
There’s no indication he’s even thinking about leaving for regular football so I won’t paint him with a negative brush but at 17 he really shouldn’t be expecting much for a while and rightly so. It’s good he’s around the squad but there’s absolutely no way on earth he should start next season as Rashfords deputy.
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You would have said the same about Owen being backup to Fowler. He went on to win the PL golden Boot that season. Greenwood has been picked to play above his age group throughout his early career because of his talent.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 4 minutes ago
Sorry, I was getting his age mixed up with Sancho. It’s even worse, Greenwood is 17!
There’s no indication he’s even thinking about leaving for regular football so I won’t paint him with a negative brush but at 17 he really shouldn’t be expecting much for a while and rightly so. It’s good he’s around the squad but there’s absolutely no way on earth he should start next season as Rashfords deputy.
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You would have said the same about Owen being backup to Fowler. He went on to win the PL golden Boot that season. Greenwood has been picked to play above his age group throughout his early career because of his talent.
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There’s no indication he’s anywhere near as good as a Michael Owen who just 12 months after his debut (give or take a month or two) was scoring amazing goals at a World Cup.
And besides, Fowler was God and a reliable goal scorer. Rashford is still not quite that reliable and has never scored over 10 league goals in a season.
We need to give Ole all he needs to succeed. Not give him two strikers who aren’t going to guarantee him big returns on goals.
And I’m not even saying Lukaku is the answer. He may well leave. If he does the best thing `Ole can do for his job prospects at United is to bring in a 30 goal a season striker
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