First night it’s worked well in European football imo.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
First night it’s worked well in European football imo.
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It's not got stuff wrong, I think you can disagree with the rules (especially around hand ball and penalties) but it's got it right every time I've seen it used.
comment by (U22068)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
First night it’s worked well in European football imo.
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It's not got stuff wrong, I think you can disagree with the rules (especially around hand ball and penalties) but it's got it right every time I've seen it used.
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Don’t agree at all but too late for that debate!
Honestly, I'm still not a fan.
The two big moments of the night came down to VAR, and it's not even cleared up the controversy, as people are saying that Spurs' goal should have been disallowed with the new rulings regarding handballs.
Yes, it's brought a different kind of drama to the game, but not the kind of drama I want from football.
It did a good job tonight if we are honest. Much as it ruins the game.
New rulings on handball don't make a difference here, he's not tried to make himself 'bigger' which is what most of the pens have been for, it's just a question of whether he used his hand to gain an advantage, which he didn't really, it was still gonna hit him.
It also cleared up the offside call at the end
The only thing I wish they'd do is properly add time on for VAR checks, people were complaining about 5 minutes added on, but it should have been more.
They should probably stop the clock while the review is happening to be honest
How was the goal a hand ball? It hits his thigh. And it’s not like his arm was in an unnatural position.
I think Lorente’s goal hit his arm on the way to hitting his hip. The skin on his arm ripples which has to come from contact with the ball.
But I don’t know if that means it’s a handball as the arm is clearly by his side.
VAR on the whole has been great in the CL knock out stage.
I can’t wait for it next season in the PL 1982, it’ll finally put these fraud refs we have to shame.
As I said, VAR has been good, but the rules on handball are stupid. Kimpembe and Rose's should never have been pens.
Correct decisions, but shocking rules.
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
How was the goal a hand ball? It hits his thigh. And it’s not like his arm was in an unnatural position.
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Not seen it as I listened to the game on the radio.
But Shearer and the commentator were saying that a.) it hit Llorente's elbow first and b.) they'd been given a presentation, by UEFA, which seemed to suggest that such a goal wouldn't stand
comment by Jalisco Red 🇳🇴 (U4195)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
How was the goal a hand ball? It hits his thigh. And it’s not like his arm was in an unnatural position.
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Not seen it as I listened to the game on the radio.
But Shearer and the commentator were saying that a.) it hit Llorente's elbow first and b.) they'd been given a presentation, by UEFA, which seemed to suggest that such a goal wouldn't stand
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That’s the new rules for next year - hasn’t changed yet.
It creates a whole new dynamic to the game, the way City and their fans reacted to the disallowed goal was something I’ve never seen before. I think it could even have a big effect on how City preform for the rest of the season.
comment by Jalisco Red 🇳🇴 (U4195)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
How was the goal a hand ball? It hits his thigh. And it’s not like his arm was in an unnatural position.
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Not seen it as I listened to the game on the radio.
But Shearer and the commentator were saying that a.) it hit Llorente's elbow first and b.) they'd been given a presentation, by UEFA, which seemed to suggest that such a goal wouldn't stand
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You should also factor in to that that Shearer is a moron
Yeah the new rules don’t come into place until next season. So maybe it’s simply a case of following the rules and had the exact same thing happened next season then it would have been disallowed.
One angle shows it hits his thigh and another one shows it skims a milimetre of his skin. Would be absolutely harsh to call it handball. His arms were by his side too. Where was he meant to put them?
True, but I think with the new rules next season any handball even if it’s unavoidable is considered handball, might be wrong?
But right now I think even if the ref thinks it touched his arm it isn’t classed as handball.
Llorente's goal rightly stood, he couldn't have done any more to keep his arms in. If the ball does hit his arm then at some point common sense has to play a part. I really can't see the ball hitting his arm at all but Danny Murphy says it did which makes me dig my heels in all the more.
Linesmens days are numbered.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 20 seconds ago
True, but I think with the new rules next season any handball even if it’s unavoidable is considered handball, might be wrong?
But right now I think even if the ref thinks it touched his arm it isn’t classed as handball.
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Think you’re absolutely right.
Although not sure whether there’s any variance if the ball hits the hand, then another part of the body and then goes in!
It’s a ridiculous law change brought about by the governing body’s messing with the law.
If this is the new rule then surely players will just purposely kick the ball at opponents arms in the box and get a pen?
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 33 seconds ago
If this is the new rule then surely players will just purposely kick the ball at opponents arms in the box and get a pen?
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I think it’s only if the ball hitting the arm leads to a goal.
Any other situation and it defaults to the current laws (if anyone knows what they are anymore!)
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 51 seconds ago
If this is the new rule then surely players will just purposely kick the ball at opponents arms in the box and get a pen?
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Players doing star jumps whenever the ball is hit low...
Would have been stupid to rule it out.
If they decide handball is handball no matter what then fair enough so long as they remain consistent.
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posted on 17/4/19
First night it’s worked well in European football imo.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
First night it’s worked well in European football imo.
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It's not got stuff wrong, I think you can disagree with the rules (especially around hand ball and penalties) but it's got it right every time I've seen it used.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by (U22068)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
First night it’s worked well in European football imo.
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It's not got stuff wrong, I think you can disagree with the rules (especially around hand ball and penalties) but it's got it right every time I've seen it used.
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Don’t agree at all but too late for that debate!
posted on 17/4/19
Honestly, I'm still not a fan.
The two big moments of the night came down to VAR, and it's not even cleared up the controversy, as people are saying that Spurs' goal should have been disallowed with the new rulings regarding handballs.
Yes, it's brought a different kind of drama to the game, but not the kind of drama I want from football.
posted on 17/4/19
It did a good job tonight if we are honest. Much as it ruins the game.
posted on 17/4/19
New rulings on handball don't make a difference here, he's not tried to make himself 'bigger' which is what most of the pens have been for, it's just a question of whether he used his hand to gain an advantage, which he didn't really, it was still gonna hit him.
It also cleared up the offside call at the end
posted on 17/4/19
The only thing I wish they'd do is properly add time on for VAR checks, people were complaining about 5 minutes added on, but it should have been more.
They should probably stop the clock while the review is happening to be honest
posted on 17/4/19
How was the goal a hand ball? It hits his thigh. And it’s not like his arm was in an unnatural position.
posted on 17/4/19
I think Lorente’s goal hit his arm on the way to hitting his hip. The skin on his arm ripples which has to come from contact with the ball.
But I don’t know if that means it’s a handball as the arm is clearly by his side.
VAR on the whole has been great in the CL knock out stage.
posted on 17/4/19
I can’t wait for it next season in the PL 1982, it’ll finally put these fraud refs we have to shame.
posted on 17/4/19
As I said, VAR has been good, but the rules on handball are stupid. Kimpembe and Rose's should never have been pens.
Correct decisions, but shocking rules.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
How was the goal a hand ball? It hits his thigh. And it’s not like his arm was in an unnatural position.
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Not seen it as I listened to the game on the radio.
But Shearer and the commentator were saying that a.) it hit Llorente's elbow first and b.) they'd been given a presentation, by UEFA, which seemed to suggest that such a goal wouldn't stand
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Jalisco Red 🇳🇴 (U4195)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
How was the goal a hand ball? It hits his thigh. And it’s not like his arm was in an unnatural position.
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Not seen it as I listened to the game on the radio.
But Shearer and the commentator were saying that a.) it hit Llorente's elbow first and b.) they'd been given a presentation, by UEFA, which seemed to suggest that such a goal wouldn't stand
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That’s the new rules for next year - hasn’t changed yet.
posted on 17/4/19
It creates a whole new dynamic to the game, the way City and their fans reacted to the disallowed goal was something I’ve never seen before. I think it could even have a big effect on how City preform for the rest of the season.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by Jalisco Red 🇳🇴 (U4195)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
How was the goal a hand ball? It hits his thigh. And it’s not like his arm was in an unnatural position.
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Not seen it as I listened to the game on the radio.
But Shearer and the commentator were saying that a.) it hit Llorente's elbow first and b.) they'd been given a presentation, by UEFA, which seemed to suggest that such a goal wouldn't stand
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You should also factor in to that that Shearer is a moron
posted on 17/4/19
Yeah the new rules don’t come into place until next season. So maybe it’s simply a case of following the rules and had the exact same thing happened next season then it would have been disallowed.
posted on 17/4/19
One angle shows it hits his thigh and another one shows it skims a milimetre of his skin. Would be absolutely harsh to call it handball. His arms were by his side too. Where was he meant to put them?
posted on 17/4/19
True, but I think with the new rules next season any handball even if it’s unavoidable is considered handball, might be wrong?
But right now I think even if the ref thinks it touched his arm it isn’t classed as handball.
posted on 17/4/19
Llorente's goal rightly stood, he couldn't have done any more to keep his arms in. If the ball does hit his arm then at some point common sense has to play a part. I really can't see the ball hitting his arm at all but Danny Murphy says it did which makes me dig my heels in all the more.
Linesmens days are numbered.
posted on 17/4/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 20 seconds ago
True, but I think with the new rules next season any handball even if it’s unavoidable is considered handball, might be wrong?
But right now I think even if the ref thinks it touched his arm it isn’t classed as handball.
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Think you’re absolutely right.
Although not sure whether there’s any variance if the ball hits the hand, then another part of the body and then goes in!
It’s a ridiculous law change brought about by the governing body’s messing with the law.
posted on 17/4/19
If this is the new rule then surely players will just purposely kick the ball at opponents arms in the box and get a pen?
posted on 17/4/19
So close yet so VAR
posted on 17/4/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 33 seconds ago
If this is the new rule then surely players will just purposely kick the ball at opponents arms in the box and get a pen?
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I think it’s only if the ball hitting the arm leads to a goal.
Any other situation and it defaults to the current laws (if anyone knows what they are anymore!)
posted on 17/4/19
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 51 seconds ago
If this is the new rule then surely players will just purposely kick the ball at opponents arms in the box and get a pen?
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Players doing star jumps whenever the ball is hit low...
posted on 17/4/19
Would have been stupid to rule it out.
If they decide handball is handball no matter what then fair enough so long as they remain consistent.
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