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Can’t even blame the manager to be honest, the players are letting United down.
United need to be rebuilt, and the only way that’s gonna happen is sticking with a manager for a few seasons.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Robb is calling ole clueless 😂
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Robb is a top class wum who states incorrect comments for a reaction.
What happened in the first ten games under Ole?
What is the difference between those ten games and the last ten?
The players are the same, aren't they?
He's lookes out his depth for weeks.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
What happened in the first ten games under Ole?
What is the difference between those ten games and the last ten?
The players are the same, aren't they?
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Jamie Carragher just explained it perfectly. The first months under Ole WAS the blip.
This is the true level of the players that we have been seeing for years. This is who they are, inconsistent average players with no pride, workrate or passion for the club.
Kept them in the dressing room, hope he's telling a few to get their agents on the phone
comment by Who's Kissing Cameras. (U1703)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
What happened in the first ten games under Ole?
What is the difference between those ten games and the last ten?
The players are the same, aren't they?
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Jamie Carragher just explained it perfectly. The first months under Ole WAS the blip.
This is the true level of the players that we have been seeing for years. This is who they are, inconsistent average players with no pride, workrate or passion for the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those first ten games we saw a terrific workrate and great passion; that's absolutely undeniable. They ran as hard and as far as just about anyone else in the league.
Ole apologising to the fans..."talent has never ever been enough"
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Who's Kissing Cameras. (U1703)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
What happened in the first ten games under Ole?
What is the difference between those ten games and the last ten?
The players are the same, aren't they?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jamie Carragher just explained it perfectly. The first months under Ole WAS the blip.
This is the true level of the players that we have been seeing for years. This is who they are, inconsistent average players with no pride, workrate or passion for the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those first ten games we saw a terrific workrate and great passion; that's absolutely undeniable. They ran as hard and as far as just about anyone else in the league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the standard for most clubs who change manager after a shocking start. The players will perform for a ‘honeymoon period’ and then revert to type. A million examples in football of this happening.
We played a completely different brand of football in those ten games.
We played three in the middle nearly every week, went out to dominate possession, fought for the ball in the middle third, and pushed like hell in a coordinated press in the final third.
Pogba played on the left of midfield with a central DM and a B2B.
Now we've completely reverted to the Mourinho approach with a quicker, more direct (and usually more wasteful) transition and without the defensive rigidity. And it hasn't worked.
If the players look disinterested, it's probably because they aren't excited about playing without the ball again.
I'm not absolving them completely, to be clear. They have to take responsibility for their mistakes, sloppy passing and profligacy.
But don't berate them for failing to press the ball on matchday. That's on the manager and his instructions.
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
We played a completely different brand of football in those ten games.
We played three in the middle nearly every week, went out to dominate possession, fought for the ball in the middle third, and pushed like hell in a coordinated press in the final third.
Pogba played on the left of midfield with a central DM and a B2B.
Now we've completely reverted to the Mourinho approach with a quicker, more direct (and usually more wasteful) transition and without the defensive rigidity. And it hasn't worked.
If the players look disinterested, it's probably because they aren't excited about playing without the ball again.
I'm not absolving them completely, to be clear. They have to take responsibility for their mistakes, sloppy passing and profligacy.
But don't berate them for failing to press the ball on matchday. That's on the manager and his instructions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Personnel issue too tho... No herrera no press... Teams chopped and changed through injuries
Without being in the dressing room nobody knows the instructions being given... We're guessing
I doubt they're being told to swan about like they don't give a fůck
On whether he has seen enough hurt in the #MUFC dressing room, Solskjaer was non-committal.
“Don’t know,” he replied.
there you have it, they're all scuuumbags stealing a living
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
We played a completely different brand of football in those ten games.
We played three in the middle nearly every week, went out to dominate possession, fought for the ball in the middle third, and pushed like hell in a coordinated press in the final third.
Pogba played on the left of midfield with a central DM and a B2B.
Now we've completely reverted to the Mourinho approach with a quicker, more direct (and usually more wasteful) transition and without the defensive rigidity. And it hasn't worked.
If the players look disinterested, it's probably because they aren't excited about playing without the ball again.
I'm not absolving them completely, to be clear. They have to take responsibility for their mistakes, sloppy passing and profligacy.
But don't berate them for failing to press the ball on matchday. That's on the manager and his instructions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m sorry but do you really think it’s down to the coaching and management that the same players that did this under Jose, are not working hard enough? They ran 4km less than Everton in the first half. F**king disgrace.
Jose’s start in 2017/2018 was excellent, just like Oles start. Then what happened? The players stopped following instructions. The EXACT same thing has happened now.
They don’t need a manager to tell them to run after the ball, and put the effort in. That’s what was missing today, and has been since PSG, and was missing for Jose in 2018, and was missing for LVG in some parts. The players do not care about this club.
No players is bigger than the club and they have a big shock coming if they think they can hound another manager out and hide behind him. The faithful will not hound Ole out and big changes will have to happen very soon.
No players is bigger than the club and they have a big shock coming if they think they can hound another manager out and hide behind him. The faithful will not hound Ole out and big changes will have to happen very soon.
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On the ego thing
Possible that some of them don't like that the attention and praise was solely on Ole during the revival and noses are out of joint?
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 11 minutes ago
No players is bigger than the club and they have a big shock coming if they think they can hound another manager out and hide behind him. The faithful will not hound Ole out and big changes will have to happen very soon.
---------------------
On the ego thing
Possible that some of them don't like that the attention and praise was solely on Ole during the revival and noses are out of joint?
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Possibly but that would be completely unacceptable.
Unimaginable but you never know with these set of cvnts.
Never been about the coach manager
Roy was bang on (despite the ridiculous ridicule from the unknowing on these boards ).
The younger players are not of united quality, not of united character and clueless in the team sense. The older players are, well, old really (and played out of position).
Successful, aspirational clubs don't try to build a defense around a poor keeper, or don't expect to maintain an attacking threat without wingers (especially in front of a weakened defensive set up), or rely on one out and out centre forward. As good as lukaku woud be if he had the service, he cannot be expected to carry such ordinariness around him for an entire season.
All the condemnation of Moyes, LvG, jose and (pretty soon) Ole are pointless when the players are not right.
Just as Roy pointed out. Indeed, if he was still young enough to be at the club as a player, I suspect a few of them would be getting the odd punch and dig on the training ground - although that is an extraordinarily bad coaching methodology, but it might have made some of them just leave - and they need to.
We are back to trying to point the finger at one element rather than seeing various factors.
Ole came in and we got a honeymoon period... But also a change in tactics and changes to the XI. We maybe ran ourselves ragged to the point of injury. Those injuries and subsequent lack of form have led to leggy, disjointed performances and forced tactical changes.
People are freaking out... But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what was right during Ole's first 12 games (fitness, a steady XI, good energy and everyone in their right place) then see what's wrong in the last 12 games (injuries, tiredness, complacency, disjointed formation and question marks over the future of key players).
Most of these issues can be fixed over the summer.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 25 seconds ago
People are freaking out... But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what was right during Ole's first 12 games (fitness, a steady XI, good energy and everyone in their right place) then see what's wrong in the last 12 games (injuries, tiredness, complacency, disjointed formation and question marks over the future of key players).
Most of these issues can be fixed over the summer.
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This is true. However what cannot be excused is a blatant lack of effort verging on outright arrogance.
It can't be excused... It can be rectified by shipping said players out, benching them... Putting an arm around them or giving them the hairdryer.
Season over for me.
Full backing for Ole to get the squad and style right ahead of 20/21 season, because it will take that long.
Want to see signs of the right style next season but don’t expect trophies myself.
comment by Who's Kissing Cameras. (U1703)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
We played a completely different brand of football in those ten games.
We played three in the middle nearly every week, went out to dominate possession, fought for the ball in the middle third, and pushed like hell in a coordinated press in the final third.
Pogba played on the left of midfield with a central DM and a B2B.
Now we've completely reverted to the Mourinho approach with a quicker, more direct (and usually more wasteful) transition and without the defensive rigidity. And it hasn't worked.
If the players look disinterested, it's probably because they aren't excited about playing without the ball again.
I'm not absolving them completely, to be clear. They have to take responsibility for their mistakes, sloppy passing and profligacy.
But don't berate them for failing to press the ball on matchday. That's on the manager and his instructions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m sorry but do you really think it’s down to the coaching and management that the same players that did this under Jose, are not working hard enough? They ran 4km less than Everton in the first half. F**king disgrace.
Jose’s start in 2017/2018 was excellent, just like Oles start. Then what happened? The players stopped following instructions. The EXACT same thing has happened now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The players followed Jose's instructions.
His (default) instructions were about concentrating on shape, structure and rigidity; not letting the opposition pull us about and not burning up energy chasing the ball; patience in retrieving the ball and in working it back up the pitch; letting the opposition make their mistakes and letting our (supposedly superior) talent show.
We ran so few kilometres under Jose week after week, month after month not because the players had downed tools, but due to his tactical approach. We ran as few kilometres as anyone last season and finished second in the league.
Not running a lot, doesn't mean a lack of effort. Barcelona can run half as many kilometres as any given opponent and play them off the park. City can and have under Pep (although they will also leave everything on the pitch when they need to).
I agree that we should have been putting in a lot more work in the last three months. But I disagree absolutely on the primary reason for that.
If Ole was sending the players out with a setup that would help us retain possession and with the instructions to get ahold of and keep the ball at all costs, playing a higher tempo pressing game, getting tight to players and letting them feel our presence - just as Everton did today - we'd absolutely see a different team.
Total shambles. We’re not even contesting decisions. Ambling about the pitch like they’ve got a right to be there. Embarrassment to the badge.
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posted on 21/4/19
Can’t even blame the manager to be honest, the players are letting United down.
United need to be rebuilt, and the only way that’s gonna happen is sticking with a manager for a few seasons.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Robb is calling ole clueless 😂
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Robb is a top class wum who states incorrect comments for a reaction.
posted on 21/4/19
What happened in the first ten games under Ole?
What is the difference between those ten games and the last ten?
The players are the same, aren't they?
posted on 21/4/19
He's lookes out his depth for weeks.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
What happened in the first ten games under Ole?
What is the difference between those ten games and the last ten?
The players are the same, aren't they?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jamie Carragher just explained it perfectly. The first months under Ole WAS the blip.
This is the true level of the players that we have been seeing for years. This is who they are, inconsistent average players with no pride, workrate or passion for the club.
posted on 21/4/19
Kept them in the dressing room, hope he's telling a few to get their agents on the phone
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Who's Kissing Cameras. (U1703)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
What happened in the first ten games under Ole?
What is the difference between those ten games and the last ten?
The players are the same, aren't they?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jamie Carragher just explained it perfectly. The first months under Ole WAS the blip.
This is the true level of the players that we have been seeing for years. This is who they are, inconsistent average players with no pride, workrate or passion for the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those first ten games we saw a terrific workrate and great passion; that's absolutely undeniable. They ran as hard and as far as just about anyone else in the league.
posted on 21/4/19
Ole apologising to the fans..."talent has never ever been enough"
posted on 21/4/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Who's Kissing Cameras. (U1703)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
What happened in the first ten games under Ole?
What is the difference between those ten games and the last ten?
The players are the same, aren't they?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jamie Carragher just explained it perfectly. The first months under Ole WAS the blip.
This is the true level of the players that we have been seeing for years. This is who they are, inconsistent average players with no pride, workrate or passion for the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Those first ten games we saw a terrific workrate and great passion; that's absolutely undeniable. They ran as hard and as far as just about anyone else in the league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the standard for most clubs who change manager after a shocking start. The players will perform for a ‘honeymoon period’ and then revert to type. A million examples in football of this happening.
posted on 21/4/19
We played a completely different brand of football in those ten games.
We played three in the middle nearly every week, went out to dominate possession, fought for the ball in the middle third, and pushed like hell in a coordinated press in the final third.
Pogba played on the left of midfield with a central DM and a B2B.
Now we've completely reverted to the Mourinho approach with a quicker, more direct (and usually more wasteful) transition and without the defensive rigidity. And it hasn't worked.
If the players look disinterested, it's probably because they aren't excited about playing without the ball again.
I'm not absolving them completely, to be clear. They have to take responsibility for their mistakes, sloppy passing and profligacy.
But don't berate them for failing to press the ball on matchday. That's on the manager and his instructions.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
We played a completely different brand of football in those ten games.
We played three in the middle nearly every week, went out to dominate possession, fought for the ball in the middle third, and pushed like hell in a coordinated press in the final third.
Pogba played on the left of midfield with a central DM and a B2B.
Now we've completely reverted to the Mourinho approach with a quicker, more direct (and usually more wasteful) transition and without the defensive rigidity. And it hasn't worked.
If the players look disinterested, it's probably because they aren't excited about playing without the ball again.
I'm not absolving them completely, to be clear. They have to take responsibility for their mistakes, sloppy passing and profligacy.
But don't berate them for failing to press the ball on matchday. That's on the manager and his instructions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Personnel issue too tho... No herrera no press... Teams chopped and changed through injuries
Without being in the dressing room nobody knows the instructions being given... We're guessing
I doubt they're being told to swan about like they don't give a fůck
posted on 21/4/19
On whether he has seen enough hurt in the #MUFC dressing room, Solskjaer was non-committal.
“Don’t know,” he replied.
there you have it, they're all scuuumbags stealing a living
posted on 21/4/19
comment by rosso is facking happy (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
We played a completely different brand of football in those ten games.
We played three in the middle nearly every week, went out to dominate possession, fought for the ball in the middle third, and pushed like hell in a coordinated press in the final third.
Pogba played on the left of midfield with a central DM and a B2B.
Now we've completely reverted to the Mourinho approach with a quicker, more direct (and usually more wasteful) transition and without the defensive rigidity. And it hasn't worked.
If the players look disinterested, it's probably because they aren't excited about playing without the ball again.
I'm not absolving them completely, to be clear. They have to take responsibility for their mistakes, sloppy passing and profligacy.
But don't berate them for failing to press the ball on matchday. That's on the manager and his instructions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m sorry but do you really think it’s down to the coaching and management that the same players that did this under Jose, are not working hard enough? They ran 4km less than Everton in the first half. F**king disgrace.
Jose’s start in 2017/2018 was excellent, just like Oles start. Then what happened? The players stopped following instructions. The EXACT same thing has happened now.
They don’t need a manager to tell them to run after the ball, and put the effort in. That’s what was missing today, and has been since PSG, and was missing for Jose in 2018, and was missing for LVG in some parts. The players do not care about this club.
No players is bigger than the club and they have a big shock coming if they think they can hound another manager out and hide behind him. The faithful will not hound Ole out and big changes will have to happen very soon.
posted on 21/4/19
No players is bigger than the club and they have a big shock coming if they think they can hound another manager out and hide behind him. The faithful will not hound Ole out and big changes will have to happen very soon.
---------------------
On the ego thing
Possible that some of them don't like that the attention and praise was solely on Ole during the revival and noses are out of joint?
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Shugs (U14253)
posted 11 minutes ago
No players is bigger than the club and they have a big shock coming if they think they can hound another manager out and hide behind him. The faithful will not hound Ole out and big changes will have to happen very soon.
---------------------
On the ego thing
Possible that some of them don't like that the attention and praise was solely on Ole during the revival and noses are out of joint?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Possibly but that would be completely unacceptable.
Unimaginable but you never know with these set of cvnts.
posted on 21/4/19
Never been about the coach manager
Roy was bang on (despite the ridiculous ridicule from the unknowing on these boards ).
The younger players are not of united quality, not of united character and clueless in the team sense. The older players are, well, old really (and played out of position).
Successful, aspirational clubs don't try to build a defense around a poor keeper, or don't expect to maintain an attacking threat without wingers (especially in front of a weakened defensive set up), or rely on one out and out centre forward. As good as lukaku woud be if he had the service, he cannot be expected to carry such ordinariness around him for an entire season.
All the condemnation of Moyes, LvG, jose and (pretty soon) Ole are pointless when the players are not right.
Just as Roy pointed out. Indeed, if he was still young enough to be at the club as a player, I suspect a few of them would be getting the odd punch and dig on the training ground - although that is an extraordinarily bad coaching methodology, but it might have made some of them just leave - and they need to.
posted on 21/4/19
We are back to trying to point the finger at one element rather than seeing various factors.
Ole came in and we got a honeymoon period... But also a change in tactics and changes to the XI. We maybe ran ourselves ragged to the point of injury. Those injuries and subsequent lack of form have led to leggy, disjointed performances and forced tactical changes.
posted on 21/4/19
People are freaking out... But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what was right during Ole's first 12 games (fitness, a steady XI, good energy and everyone in their right place) then see what's wrong in the last 12 games (injuries, tiredness, complacency, disjointed formation and question marks over the future of key players).
Most of these issues can be fixed over the summer.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy squids (U2958)
posted 25 seconds ago
People are freaking out... But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what was right during Ole's first 12 games (fitness, a steady XI, good energy and everyone in their right place) then see what's wrong in the last 12 games (injuries, tiredness, complacency, disjointed formation and question marks over the future of key players).
Most of these issues can be fixed over the summer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is true. However what cannot be excused is a blatant lack of effort verging on outright arrogance.
posted on 21/4/19
It can't be excused... It can be rectified by shipping said players out, benching them... Putting an arm around them or giving them the hairdryer.
posted on 21/4/19
Season over for me.
Full backing for Ole to get the squad and style right ahead of 20/21 season, because it will take that long.
Want to see signs of the right style next season but don’t expect trophies myself.
posted on 21/4/19
comment by Who's Kissing Cameras. (U1703)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
comment by rosso is facking happy(U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
We played a completely different brand of football in those ten games.
We played three in the middle nearly every week, went out to dominate possession, fought for the ball in the middle third, and pushed like hell in a coordinated press in the final third.
Pogba played on the left of midfield with a central DM and a B2B.
Now we've completely reverted to the Mourinho approach with a quicker, more direct (and usually more wasteful) transition and without the defensive rigidity. And it hasn't worked.
If the players look disinterested, it's probably because they aren't excited about playing without the ball again.
I'm not absolving them completely, to be clear. They have to take responsibility for their mistakes, sloppy passing and profligacy.
But don't berate them for failing to press the ball on matchday. That's on the manager and his instructions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I’m sorry but do you really think it’s down to the coaching and management that the same players that did this under Jose, are not working hard enough? They ran 4km less than Everton in the first half. F**king disgrace.
Jose’s start in 2017/2018 was excellent, just like Oles start. Then what happened? The players stopped following instructions. The EXACT same thing has happened now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The players followed Jose's instructions.
His (default) instructions were about concentrating on shape, structure and rigidity; not letting the opposition pull us about and not burning up energy chasing the ball; patience in retrieving the ball and in working it back up the pitch; letting the opposition make their mistakes and letting our (supposedly superior) talent show.
We ran so few kilometres under Jose week after week, month after month not because the players had downed tools, but due to his tactical approach. We ran as few kilometres as anyone last season and finished second in the league.
Not running a lot, doesn't mean a lack of effort. Barcelona can run half as many kilometres as any given opponent and play them off the park. City can and have under Pep (although they will also leave everything on the pitch when they need to).
I agree that we should have been putting in a lot more work in the last three months. But I disagree absolutely on the primary reason for that.
If Ole was sending the players out with a setup that would help us retain possession and with the instructions to get ahold of and keep the ball at all costs, playing a higher tempo pressing game, getting tight to players and letting them feel our presence - just as Everton did today - we'd absolutely see a different team.
posted on 21/4/19
Total shambles. We’re not even contesting decisions. Ambling about the pitch like they’ve got a right to be there. Embarrassment to the badge.
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