MB's reaction yesterday just reiterates why he sounded so confused and hurt after the Spygate debacle - clearly no malice was ever intended just a no stones unturned approach to his preparation.
Always felt questioning his integrity was like asking whether Pele could play football.
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
I think Bielsa managed a very difficult situation really well.
Agree with every point made in the OP.
100% agreement from me for the OP!
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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You mean disobeying the Manager?
He's a great man. Without taking into account his qualities as a manager he is a great example to everyone anyway.
What is telling is that even Bielsa himself got so wound up by the performance of the ref during the game he ended up with a booking.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/leeds-united-confident-of-retaining-marcelo-bielsa-next-season-regardless-of-promotion-1-9735377
Let's hope we do keep hold of him
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 17 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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Player who plays with passion and gives all he has, but susceptible to the occasional rush of blood to the head that has cost us at times.
Agree with Sgt Wilko!
I think Bielsa has actually been quite smart about this. Not sure he would give them the goal if we were fighting for 2nd still.
Imagine the headlines and prematch if we meet Villa in the playoffs had we won that goal 1 nil.
Glad this occurred in a league game and not in one of the play-off games, or even the final itself.
Would hate to think that this scenario/result could have led to losing in a penalty shoot-out. I imagine though, that Bielsa would have done exactly the same thing regardless of the consequences because it was the right thing to do, and because, as the OP mentions, his integrity would not allow for any less.
The club should give Bielsa a fine for doing what he did.
comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) (U9756)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 17 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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Player who plays with passion and gives all he has, but susceptible to the occasional rush of blood to the head that has cost us at times.
Agree with Sgt Wilko!
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No Janson was right in what he did and Bielsa was wrong
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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You mean disobeying the Manager?
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When the manager is wrong then yes
Looking at the whole saga again I really think Roberts thought about putting the ball out then thought - no I’ll give it to Klich and he can knock it out nearer the corner flag. You can see Roberts stops and makes no attempt to continue playing after the pass.
Not sure why Klick carried on but he says he didn’t see the player down.
Bamford might find himself banned for the next two games. No qualms about that. He was wrong and should admit it. However he won’t be the last player to do this because sometimes, in the heat of the moment, a players makes a bad decision. Take the rap, move on and learn from it.
Bamford and Pontus embarrassed themselves yesterday but Bielsa has managed to get the football world on our side for once and psychologically this could prove to be pivotal in our quest for play off glory.
Roberts was going to put the ball out. The reaction of the crowd stopped him. Klich was almost forced to continue by the crowd.
The crowd was so frustrated by the cheating tactics of Villa and were fed up that it had happened again.
Without the encouragement of the crowd wouldn't have happened.
Had the ref been in control of the game it wouldn't have happened.
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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You mean disobeying the Manager?
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I mean trying to win a game at all costs
Whatever way you look at it Bielsa and Pontus come out of it good.
Bielsa = man of integrity blah blah blah
Pontus = All footballers understood his mentality (winning) and Leeds fan still love him because he is Pontus.
WIN WIN.
I was gutted we gave them a goal, they cheated and dived all game and Kodja fouled Cooper in the build up to the goal, the ref played on.
The reaction from the Villa players and bench should see them given at least 5 long bans, the punch to Klich's stomach being one of them.
It will be overlooked by the FA.
I’m not jansson’a biggest fan. He’s a good footballer, very good when he’s on it, but he’s a drama queen.
However I don’t actually blame him really here. It’s just a reaction of passion. I don’t think Roberts and klich deserve flak either. It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. A stupid unwritten moral code, that there should be clear rules for.
Two biggest tools in this are Hourihane and Bamford. One started the fight, one feigned injury to get another pro sent off.
The manager instructs team what to do, Pontus ignores it, there is no justification for that.
Upon Klich scoring goal you see one of Villa defenders walk away, accepting the fate, the others who confronted and started an affray should be ashamed of themselves, as should any Leeds player inappropriately involved.
However, what I would say is that the football authroities need to have a long hard look at the referee and his impact on the lack of control in this game.
Had he been in complete control and this still happened I would say penalise every one of the protagonists.
Because he wasn't in control I would say that there might be more lenience shown all round, you cannot be lenient for one and not another.
"The manager instructs team what to do, Pontus ignores it, there is no justification for that."
Even when the manager is wrong?
So if a manager tell a player that he should break another players leg. He should do it then?
Some very interesting responses from sports writers and football people:
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/villa-were-lucky-how-the-national-media-viewed-marcelo-bielsa-s-incredible-decision-in-leeds-v-aston-villa-1-9737926?page=1
comment by Norwayleedsforever (U10023)
posted 10 minutes ago
"The manager instructs team what to do, Pontus ignores it, there is no justification for that."
Even when the manager is wrong?
So if a manager tell a player that he should break another players leg. He should do it then?
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What a stupid scenario to come up with, we're talking about Bielsa not Warnock.
Stop, there are some idiots in there, saying he only did it because of spy gate etc, just shows how little some of them really know about him.
The manager instructs team what to do, Pontus ignores it, there is no justification for that.
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Not sure it was that simple. Bielsa tried to shout the instruction the “give the goal” but Pontus was a long way away and the crowd was incensed at the time.
Maybe he didn’t hear or misunderstood - then he wondered what the fook was going on.
The only good thing to come out of it all is the fact Smiths team talk next time we play them won’t be as easy as it would have been. Plus Bielsa can point to us letting them score and getting them well and truly rattled.
Grealish then resorted to falling over and brandishing imaginary cards he was so far into Phillips pocket.
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posted on 29/4/19
MB's reaction yesterday just reiterates why he sounded so confused and hurt after the Spygate debacle - clearly no malice was ever intended just a no stones unturned approach to his preparation.
Always felt questioning his integrity was like asking whether Pele could play football.
posted on 29/4/19
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
posted on 29/4/19
I think Bielsa managed a very difficult situation really well.
Agree with every point made in the OP.
posted on 29/4/19
100% agreement from me for the OP!
posted on 29/4/19
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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You mean disobeying the Manager?
posted on 29/4/19
He's a great man. Without taking into account his qualities as a manager he is a great example to everyone anyway.
What is telling is that even Bielsa himself got so wound up by the performance of the ref during the game he ended up with a booking.
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/leeds-united-confident-of-retaining-marcelo-bielsa-next-season-regardless-of-promotion-1-9735377
Let's hope we do keep hold of him
posted on 29/4/19
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 17 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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Player who plays with passion and gives all he has, but susceptible to the occasional rush of blood to the head that has cost us at times.
Agree with Sgt Wilko!
posted on 29/4/19
I think Bielsa has actually been quite smart about this. Not sure he would give them the goal if we were fighting for 2nd still.
Imagine the headlines and prematch if we meet Villa in the playoffs had we won that goal 1 nil.
posted on 29/4/19
Glad this occurred in a league game and not in one of the play-off games, or even the final itself.
Would hate to think that this scenario/result could have led to losing in a penalty shoot-out. I imagine though, that Bielsa would have done exactly the same thing regardless of the consequences because it was the right thing to do, and because, as the OP mentions, his integrity would not allow for any less.
posted on 29/4/19
The club should give Bielsa a fine for doing what he did.
posted on 29/4/19
comment by JonnyLosAngeles (My Dad was made in Leeds) (U9756)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 17 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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Player who plays with passion and gives all he has, but susceptible to the occasional rush of blood to the head that has cost us at times.
Agree with Sgt Wilko!
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No Janson was right in what he did and Bielsa was wrong
posted on 29/4/19
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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You mean disobeying the Manager?
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When the manager is wrong then yes
posted on 29/4/19
Looking at the whole saga again I really think Roberts thought about putting the ball out then thought - no I’ll give it to Klich and he can knock it out nearer the corner flag. You can see Roberts stops and makes no attempt to continue playing after the pass.
Not sure why Klick carried on but he says he didn’t see the player down.
Bamford might find himself banned for the next two games. No qualms about that. He was wrong and should admit it. However he won’t be the last player to do this because sometimes, in the heat of the moment, a players makes a bad decision. Take the rap, move on and learn from it.
posted on 29/4/19
Bamford and Pontus embarrassed themselves yesterday but Bielsa has managed to get the football world on our side for once and psychologically this could prove to be pivotal in our quest for play off glory.
posted on 29/4/19
Roberts was going to put the ball out. The reaction of the crowd stopped him. Klich was almost forced to continue by the crowd.
The crowd was so frustrated by the cheating tactics of Villa and were fed up that it had happened again.
Without the encouragement of the crowd wouldn't have happened.
Had the ref been in control of the game it wouldn't have happened.
posted on 29/4/19
comment by Sgt Wilko 92 (U5983)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
comment by gelderd82 (U6817)
posted 9 minutes ago
Why on earth would you criticise Jansson for his actions and attitude yesterday?
Showed exactly what I want from a player wanting to win a game
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You mean disobeying the Manager?
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I mean trying to win a game at all costs
posted on 29/4/19
Whatever way you look at it Bielsa and Pontus come out of it good.
Bielsa = man of integrity blah blah blah
Pontus = All footballers understood his mentality (winning) and Leeds fan still love him because he is Pontus.
WIN WIN.
posted on 29/4/19
I was gutted we gave them a goal, they cheated and dived all game and Kodja fouled Cooper in the build up to the goal, the ref played on.
The reaction from the Villa players and bench should see them given at least 5 long bans, the punch to Klich's stomach being one of them.
It will be overlooked by the FA.
posted on 29/4/19
I’m not jansson’a biggest fan. He’s a good footballer, very good when he’s on it, but he’s a drama queen.
However I don’t actually blame him really here. It’s just a reaction of passion. I don’t think Roberts and klich deserve flak either. It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. A stupid unwritten moral code, that there should be clear rules for.
Two biggest tools in this are Hourihane and Bamford. One started the fight, one feigned injury to get another pro sent off.
posted on 29/4/19
The manager instructs team what to do, Pontus ignores it, there is no justification for that.
Upon Klich scoring goal you see one of Villa defenders walk away, accepting the fate, the others who confronted and started an affray should be ashamed of themselves, as should any Leeds player inappropriately involved.
However, what I would say is that the football authroities need to have a long hard look at the referee and his impact on the lack of control in this game.
Had he been in complete control and this still happened I would say penalise every one of the protagonists.
Because he wasn't in control I would say that there might be more lenience shown all round, you cannot be lenient for one and not another.
posted on 29/4/19
"The manager instructs team what to do, Pontus ignores it, there is no justification for that."
Even when the manager is wrong?
So if a manager tell a player that he should break another players leg. He should do it then?
posted on 29/4/19
Some very interesting responses from sports writers and football people:
https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/villa-were-lucky-how-the-national-media-viewed-marcelo-bielsa-s-incredible-decision-in-leeds-v-aston-villa-1-9737926?page=1
posted on 29/4/19
comment by Norwayleedsforever (U10023)
posted 10 minutes ago
"The manager instructs team what to do, Pontus ignores it, there is no justification for that."
Even when the manager is wrong?
So if a manager tell a player that he should break another players leg. He should do it then?
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What a stupid scenario to come up with, we're talking about Bielsa not Warnock.
posted on 29/4/19
Stop, there are some idiots in there, saying he only did it because of spy gate etc, just shows how little some of them really know about him.
posted on 29/4/19
The manager instructs team what to do, Pontus ignores it, there is no justification for that.
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Not sure it was that simple. Bielsa tried to shout the instruction the “give the goal” but Pontus was a long way away and the crowd was incensed at the time.
Maybe he didn’t hear or misunderstood - then he wondered what the fook was going on.
The only good thing to come out of it all is the fact Smiths team talk next time we play them won’t be as easy as it would have been. Plus Bielsa can point to us letting them score and getting them well and truly rattled.
Grealish then resorted to falling over and brandishing imaginary cards he was so far into Phillips pocket.
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