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I've just seen the video.
It basically comes across as if we win the CL and we continue operating the way we are - he's out. But if he sits down with Levy and has a chat about the future and how they continue going forward then he would stay.
Makes sense to be honest. Why would he achieve such a massive feat and then continue at Spurs pretty much knowing he won't get the backing and a miracle won't repeat itself. Waste of time in his eyes continuing like that.
BUUUUTTTTT, as people have said. Terrible timing.
sits down with Levy and has a chat about the future and how they continue going forward then he would stay.
fack me surely this should happen regardles
To me I just thought that Poch was toying with the journalists. Nothing in it.
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 26 seconds ago
To me I just thought that Poch was toying with the journalists. Nothing in it.
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He's not really one for toying with journalists is he? More often he seems to say daft stuff because things get lost in translation.
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 12 minutes ago
sits down with Levy and has a chat about the future and how they continue going forward then he would stay.
fack me surely this should happen regardles
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As in, depends on the outcome ultimately. If Poch manages Spurs to a CL title and Levy tells him you're still operating at £30m net spend budget.
What is Poch's incentive? He knows a similar achievement would be very unlikely under current circumstances and a relatively tiny investment compared to our competitors isn't going to change our fortunes. So rather than continuously working towards something we would be operating the same and hoping for miracles.
And I don't think it's got anything to do with him toying with journalists or loss in translation. He put similar pressure last season on us getting business done early and rather than moving business from 'late to early' to move it from 'late to none'. Don't think he will stand for anything similar again.
But at the same time, BBH, all that's true if we don't win the CL.
Thing is, winning the CL would be a hilarious over-achievement, but also a proper sword of Damocles for Pochettino. It would raise expectations to completely unrealistic and unsustainable levels, considering the lack of spending at Spurs.
Put it this way - Spurs win the Champions League, then the expectation from then on will be to challenge for the title and push to win the CL again soon. Minimum. After all, if Spurs can do it once, surely they can do it again.
Trouble is, this season (considering the lack of spending) has been a massive fluke. I'd completely understand Pochettino wanting to leave on a high if Spurs did win the CL - before the press tear him down for failing to follow it up with more trophies afterwards.
Course, the glass-half-full outlook would be that winning the CL would attract the sorts of player that might enable Spurs to win it again soon, but... well. I don't think that's likely, if Spurs refuse to operate outside a positive net spend, or at worst, a minimal negative one.
it could even be a dig at the players, he may feel that he cant motivate them or they cant be bothered to turn up for the run of the mill games, but will have turned up for a one off final and he can take them no further
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 7 minutes ago
But at the same time, BBH, all that's true if we don't win the CL.
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To some extent it would be but from Pochettino's perspective I would imagine the CL title would be validation and confirmation that he's done something great here at Spurs.
At which point, if the club doesn't back him in the market to make us genuine contenders then he can walk away knowing he's left his legacy behind.
If we fail to win CL and he walks out, he doesn't have much of an achievement to look back to.
Course, the glass-half-full outlook would be that winning the CL would attract the sorts of player that might enable Spurs to win it again soon, but... well. I don't think that's likely, if Spurs refuse to operate outside a positive net spend, or at worst, a minimal negative one.
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I don't believe that and never have.
It's not winning the CL that will attract players. We have been a top four club in the Premier League. We're based in one of the best cities in the world. Fantastic training facilities and stadium now too.
But we don't invest much in players and their wages relative to the market. Players will look at Spurs and feel that the club won't put up the funds to compete for the best players and neither will they match the market wages.
I've just watched it.
One thing is for sure, he's not happy. Really flat and cagey.
Something isn't right at the moment, our performances have been awful and even our manager looks bored.
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 8 minutes ago
I've just watched it.
One thing is for sure, he's not happy. Really flat and cagey.
Something isn't right at the moment, our performances have been awful and even our manager looks bored.
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Last season, he banged on about us maybe needing to change our operating model and do business early - "to be brave".
12 months on. We've no new signings, have been plagued by injuries and in terrible form as a result.
Probably knowing that this will continue for the foreseeable future will pretty much anyone. I don't think he wants to be in a position where he is constantly working within restricted resources and just finishing top four at the end of the year.
And putting on the old tin foil hat - maybe he knows there are players departing at the end of the season and we won't be replacing appropriately.
https://twitter.com/gaffneyvlc/status/1126070155350564864?s=21
A good read of a Spanish interview
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/gaffneyvlc/status/1126070155350564864?s=21
A good read of a Spanish interview
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If true he wants out
Looks like Madrid were keen and so was he but Levy refused and Pochettino isn't the personality to cause trouble and dishonour an agreement.
Some damning quotes there and doesn't look great for the club's future. He's obviously backing players who want to leave because like them he doesn't want to linger for years viewing top four as a successful season and watching other teams win.
Sadly, I have zero confidence in Levy spending vast amounts of money.
I know people moan about City and their spend etc. but I would love for Spurs to get that lucky.
Certainly seems this summer is a either back me or lose me situation for poch.
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 5 minutes ago
Certainly seems this summer is a either back me or lose me situation for poch.
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Yep. I guess Levy called his bluff successfully last year, and the new stadium and facilities will no doubt have smoothed things over, but it feels like Levy would be taking a huge risk trying to do the same again this year.
Levy got away with it last summer, but he won’t get away with it again. No state of the art stadium is going to keep the fans on his side if he doesn’t start injecting money into the playing squad. Another summer of no activity and Levy is done for me.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
Levy got away with it last summer, but he won’t get away with it again. No state of the art stadium is going to keep the fans on his side if he doesn’t start injecting money into the playing squad. Another summer of no activity and Levy is done for me.
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No activity would be suicidal and the breaking point would come way before that.
If we are looking to sell players like Eriksen and Alderweireld and then telling Pochettino "here take this money and an extra £20-30m" that will have similar outcomes.
We could spend £300m this summer but if it's going to replacing outgoing players then you might as well has spent nothing again.
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posted on 8/5/19
I've just seen the video.
It basically comes across as if we win the CL and we continue operating the way we are - he's out. But if he sits down with Levy and has a chat about the future and how they continue going forward then he would stay.
Makes sense to be honest. Why would he achieve such a massive feat and then continue at Spurs pretty much knowing he won't get the backing and a miracle won't repeat itself. Waste of time in his eyes continuing like that.
BUUUUTTTTT, as people have said. Terrible timing.
posted on 8/5/19
sits down with Levy and has a chat about the future and how they continue going forward then he would stay.
fack me surely this should happen regardles
posted on 8/5/19
To me I just thought that Poch was toying with the journalists. Nothing in it.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 26 seconds ago
To me I just thought that Poch was toying with the journalists. Nothing in it.
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This
posted on 8/5/19
He's not really one for toying with journalists is he? More often he seems to say daft stuff because things get lost in translation.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 12 minutes ago
sits down with Levy and has a chat about the future and how they continue going forward then he would stay.
fack me surely this should happen regardles
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As in, depends on the outcome ultimately. If Poch manages Spurs to a CL title and Levy tells him you're still operating at £30m net spend budget.
What is Poch's incentive? He knows a similar achievement would be very unlikely under current circumstances and a relatively tiny investment compared to our competitors isn't going to change our fortunes. So rather than continuously working towards something we would be operating the same and hoping for miracles.
And I don't think it's got anything to do with him toying with journalists or loss in translation. He put similar pressure last season on us getting business done early and rather than moving business from 'late to early' to move it from 'late to none'. Don't think he will stand for anything similar again.
posted on 8/5/19
we moved it from*
posted on 8/5/19
But at the same time, BBH, all that's true if we don't win the CL.
posted on 8/5/19
Thing is, winning the CL would be a hilarious over-achievement, but also a proper sword of Damocles for Pochettino. It would raise expectations to completely unrealistic and unsustainable levels, considering the lack of spending at Spurs.
Put it this way - Spurs win the Champions League, then the expectation from then on will be to challenge for the title and push to win the CL again soon. Minimum. After all, if Spurs can do it once, surely they can do it again.
Trouble is, this season (considering the lack of spending) has been a massive fluke. I'd completely understand Pochettino wanting to leave on a high if Spurs did win the CL - before the press tear him down for failing to follow it up with more trophies afterwards.
Course, the glass-half-full outlook would be that winning the CL would attract the sorts of player that might enable Spurs to win it again soon, but... well. I don't think that's likely, if Spurs refuse to operate outside a positive net spend, or at worst, a minimal negative one.
posted on 8/5/19
it could even be a dig at the players, he may feel that he cant motivate them or they cant be bothered to turn up for the run of the mill games, but will have turned up for a one off final and he can take them no further
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Flashy flibble (U10324)
posted 7 minutes ago
But at the same time, BBH, all that's true if we don't win the CL.
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To some extent it would be but from Pochettino's perspective I would imagine the CL title would be validation and confirmation that he's done something great here at Spurs.
At which point, if the club doesn't back him in the market to make us genuine contenders then he can walk away knowing he's left his legacy behind.
If we fail to win CL and he walks out, he doesn't have much of an achievement to look back to.
posted on 8/5/19
Course, the glass-half-full outlook would be that winning the CL would attract the sorts of player that might enable Spurs to win it again soon, but... well. I don't think that's likely, if Spurs refuse to operate outside a positive net spend, or at worst, a minimal negative one.
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I don't believe that and never have.
It's not winning the CL that will attract players. We have been a top four club in the Premier League. We're based in one of the best cities in the world. Fantastic training facilities and stadium now too.
But we don't invest much in players and their wages relative to the market. Players will look at Spurs and feel that the club won't put up the funds to compete for the best players and neither will they match the market wages.
posted on 8/5/19
I've just watched it.
One thing is for sure, he's not happy. Really flat and cagey.
Something isn't right at the moment, our performances have been awful and even our manager looks bored.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 8 minutes ago
I've just watched it.
One thing is for sure, he's not happy. Really flat and cagey.
Something isn't right at the moment, our performances have been awful and even our manager looks bored.
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Last season, he banged on about us maybe needing to change our operating model and do business early - "to be brave".
12 months on. We've no new signings, have been plagued by injuries and in terrible form as a result.
Probably knowing that this will continue for the foreseeable future will pretty much anyone. I don't think he wants to be in a position where he is constantly working within restricted resources and just finishing top four at the end of the year.
posted on 8/5/19
Deflate anyone*
posted on 8/5/19
And putting on the old tin foil hat - maybe he knows there are players departing at the end of the season and we won't be replacing appropriately.
posted on 8/5/19
https://twitter.com/gaffneyvlc/status/1126070155350564864?s=21
A good read of a Spanish interview
posted on 8/5/19
Good points all.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/gaffneyvlc/status/1126070155350564864?s=21
A good read of a Spanish interview
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If true he wants out
Looks like Madrid were keen and so was he but Levy refused and Pochettino isn't the personality to cause trouble and dishonour an agreement.
Some damning quotes there and doesn't look great for the club's future. He's obviously backing players who want to leave because like them he doesn't want to linger for years viewing top four as a successful season and watching other teams win.
Sadly, I have zero confidence in Levy spending vast amounts of money.
posted on 8/5/19
I know people moan about City and their spend etc. but I would love for Spurs to get that lucky.
posted on 8/5/19
Certainly seems this summer is a either back me or lose me situation for poch.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 5 minutes ago
Certainly seems this summer is a either back me or lose me situation for poch.
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Yep. I guess Levy called his bluff successfully last year, and the new stadium and facilities will no doubt have smoothed things over, but it feels like Levy would be taking a huge risk trying to do the same again this year.
posted on 8/5/19
Levy got away with it last summer, but he won’t get away with it again. No state of the art stadium is going to keep the fans on his side if he doesn’t start injecting money into the playing squad. Another summer of no activity and Levy is done for me.
posted on 8/5/19
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 3 minutes ago
Levy got away with it last summer, but he won’t get away with it again. No state of the art stadium is going to keep the fans on his side if he doesn’t start injecting money into the playing squad. Another summer of no activity and Levy is done for me.
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No activity would be suicidal and the breaking point would come way before that.
If we are looking to sell players like Eriksen and Alderweireld and then telling Pochettino "here take this money and an extra £20-30m" that will have similar outcomes.
We could spend £300m this summer but if it's going to replacing outgoing players then you might as well has spent nothing again.
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