Shaw is good going forward but only in the first 3/4 of the pitch, specially when we move quickly and he links up well with the central players. The problem arises when he gets in the final quarter because he can't take a man on, even worse when he has to do it from a standing position. He just doesn't have the foot work.
I'm with Russian on this.
Ive seen Shaw put quite a few decent balls into the box this season only for their to be a poor finish on the end of noone bursting a gut to get in the box.
people far too often look at stats such as assists, but it only becomes an assist if the ball is stuck in the back of the net.
looking at Shaw and PVA this season shaw has created as many big chances as PVA and has a better crossing accuracy %.
Are Palace not guilty of abysmal finishing too though? They do have Benteke afterall. He went over a year without a goal until recently.
I feel too many people constantly make excuses for our players. It seems to always been other people's faults.
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
All our midfielders would have better stats if our strikers could finish though, thats a fact. But it's hard to lay the blame with the strikers, they'd be posting much better figures if they got better service from the midfield, can't argue that fact either.
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 minutes ago
Are Palace not guilty of abysmal finishing too though? They do have Benteke afterall. He went over a year without a goal until recently.
I feel too many people constantly make excuses for our players. It seems to always been other people's faults.
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But the accuracy % and created chances is more of a realistic stat to look at, it doesnt matter if the ball ends up in the back of the net then, you are getting a more truer reading
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
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why would Tierney be a massive upgrade on shaw?
how many players come down from the scottish league and really make that much of an impact.
for every Robertson or VVD you'll always get a Liam Miller.
lets not forget Shaw has just won our POTY, and while he has been the best of a pretty average bunch he has probably been our most consistent player and to be fair to him he has been decent.
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
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why would Tierney be a massive upgrade on shaw?
how many players come down from the scottish league and really make that much of an impact.
for every Robertson or VVD you'll always get a Liam Miller.
lets not forget Shaw has just won our POTY, and while he has been the best of a pretty average bunch he has probably been our most consistent player and to be fair to him he has been decent.
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VVD
Wanyama
Robertson
Fraser
It's been a pretty fruitful market in recent years.
Even McGinn at Villa has walked in from Hibs and is their best player if you look past floppy head.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
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why would Tierney be a massive upgrade on shaw?
how many players come down from the scottish league and really make that much of an impact.
for every Robertson or VVD you'll always get a Liam Miller.
lets not forget Shaw has just won our POTY, and while he has been the best of a pretty average bunch he has probably been our most consistent player and to be fair to him he has been decent.
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VVD
Wanyama
Robertson
Fraser
It's been a pretty fruitful market in recent years.
Even McGinn at Villa has walked in from Hibs and is their best player if you look past floppy head.
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but its no guarantee and thats my point.
tierney may very well be a great signing, but is replacing our best player last season really that much of a pressing concern?
He's not great defensively which is a surprise.
You'd expect PVA to stick to his opponent like glue.
When we have so many disastrously bad players in our squad and so much improvement to attempt over the coming window, why would we waste resources on trying to upgrade the most consistent player in the team, who has just been voted our player of the year (with the widespread agreement of most of our fans)?
When X plays in a weaker league, it's reasonable to be cautious about whether they are world class or made to look better because of the standard of the league. (On the other hand, "X can't be good because he plays in Holland - look at Alfonso Alves" is a classic of stupid fan logic.)
A helpful mind experiment in these cases would be to imagine the players in the weaker and stronger leagues swapping places. He might not look like a young Dani Alves if he played in Scotland, but Luke Shaw's qualities would certainly stand out more.
I thought AWB was gonna be like £40m or so, if you could get PVA as well for £10m more you’d be daft not to. Would mean Shaw and him for lb, Dalot and AWB for rb.
We have positions of higher priority than LB but we’re far from perfect in that area, and still much weaker than the teams we want to get back above.
It's not a priority, but if we had the luxury to improve on the player, we should do so. We don't. Other pressing matters need to be addressed.
If we sign AWB, that's 4 full backs, 2 of which can play either side in Young and Dalot. That should be enough for now and we should concentrate on other positions. We also have TFM who could play RB/CB as well.
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
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why would Tierney be a massive upgrade on shaw?
how many players come down from the scottish league and really make that much of an impact.
for every Robertson or VVD you'll always get a Liam Miller.
lets not forget Shaw has just won our POTY, and while he has been the best of a pretty average bunch he has probably been our most consistent player and to be fair to him he has been decent.
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Quite simply tierney is better. Better going forward, good in defence, more intelligent, accurate and a better passer. Agree shaw has been consistent this year, hence why I said lb is not a priority, he can certainly be improved upon.
Shaw not even in England squad again. United's player of the year.
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posted on 16/5/19
Shaw is good going forward but only in the first 3/4 of the pitch, specially when we move quickly and he links up well with the central players. The problem arises when he gets in the final quarter because he can't take a man on, even worse when he has to do it from a standing position. He just doesn't have the foot work.
posted on 16/5/19
I'm with Russian on this.
Ive seen Shaw put quite a few decent balls into the box this season only for their to be a poor finish on the end of noone bursting a gut to get in the box.
people far too often look at stats such as assists, but it only becomes an assist if the ball is stuck in the back of the net.
looking at Shaw and PVA this season shaw has created as many big chances as PVA and has a better crossing accuracy %.
posted on 16/5/19
Are Palace not guilty of abysmal finishing too though? They do have Benteke afterall. He went over a year without a goal until recently.
I feel too many people constantly make excuses for our players. It seems to always been other people's faults.
posted on 16/5/19
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
posted on 16/5/19
All our midfielders would have better stats if our strikers could finish though, thats a fact. But it's hard to lay the blame with the strikers, they'd be posting much better figures if they got better service from the midfield, can't argue that fact either.
posted on 16/5/19
comment by Glazers_Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 minutes ago
Are Palace not guilty of abysmal finishing too though? They do have Benteke afterall. He went over a year without a goal until recently.
I feel too many people constantly make excuses for our players. It seems to always been other people's faults.
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But the accuracy % and created chances is more of a realistic stat to look at, it doesnt matter if the ball ends up in the back of the net then, you are getting a more truer reading
posted on 16/5/19
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
why would Tierney be a massive upgrade on shaw?
how many players come down from the scottish league and really make that much of an impact.
for every Robertson or VVD you'll always get a Liam Miller.
lets not forget Shaw has just won our POTY, and while he has been the best of a pretty average bunch he has probably been our most consistent player and to be fair to him he has been decent.
posted on 16/5/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
why would Tierney be a massive upgrade on shaw?
how many players come down from the scottish league and really make that much of an impact.
for every Robertson or VVD you'll always get a Liam Miller.
lets not forget Shaw has just won our POTY, and while he has been the best of a pretty average bunch he has probably been our most consistent player and to be fair to him he has been decent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VVD
Wanyama
Robertson
Fraser
It's been a pretty fruitful market in recent years.
Even McGinn at Villa has walked in from Hibs and is their best player if you look past floppy head.
posted on 16/5/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
why would Tierney be a massive upgrade on shaw?
how many players come down from the scottish league and really make that much of an impact.
for every Robertson or VVD you'll always get a Liam Miller.
lets not forget Shaw has just won our POTY, and while he has been the best of a pretty average bunch he has probably been our most consistent player and to be fair to him he has been decent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
VVD
Wanyama
Robertson
Fraser
It's been a pretty fruitful market in recent years.
Even McGinn at Villa has walked in from Hibs and is their best player if you look past floppy head.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
but its no guarantee and thats my point.
tierney may very well be a great signing, but is replacing our best player last season really that much of a pressing concern?
posted on 16/5/19
He's not great defensively which is a surprise.
You'd expect PVA to stick to his opponent like glue.
posted on 16/5/19
When we have so many disastrously bad players in our squad and so much improvement to attempt over the coming window, why would we waste resources on trying to upgrade the most consistent player in the team, who has just been voted our player of the year (with the widespread agreement of most of our fans)?
posted on 16/5/19
When X plays in a weaker league, it's reasonable to be cautious about whether they are world class or made to look better because of the standard of the league. (On the other hand, "X can't be good because he plays in Holland - look at Alfonso Alves" is a classic of stupid fan logic.)
A helpful mind experiment in these cases would be to imagine the players in the weaker and stronger leagues swapping places. He might not look like a young Dani Alves if he played in Scotland, but Luke Shaw's qualities would certainly stand out more.
posted on 16/5/19
I thought AWB was gonna be like £40m or so, if you could get PVA as well for £10m more you’d be daft not to. Would mean Shaw and him for lb, Dalot and AWB for rb.
We have positions of higher priority than LB but we’re far from perfect in that area, and still much weaker than the teams we want to get back above.
posted on 16/5/19
It's not a priority, but if we had the luxury to improve on the player, we should do so. We don't. Other pressing matters need to be addressed.
If we sign AWB, that's 4 full backs, 2 of which can play either side in Young and Dalot. That should be enough for now and we should concentrate on other positions. We also have TFM who could play RB/CB as well.
posted on 16/5/19
comment by Nostraduncus (U11713)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
I wouldn’t say lb is a priority at all, but if we are getting someone than the likes of tierney would be a big upgrade on shaw.
Right back we need to sort, WB would be a good addition.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
why would Tierney be a massive upgrade on shaw?
how many players come down from the scottish league and really make that much of an impact.
for every Robertson or VVD you'll always get a Liam Miller.
lets not forget Shaw has just won our POTY, and while he has been the best of a pretty average bunch he has probably been our most consistent player and to be fair to him he has been decent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Quite simply tierney is better. Better going forward, good in defence, more intelligent, accurate and a better passer. Agree shaw has been consistent this year, hence why I said lb is not a priority, he can certainly be improved upon.
posted on 16/5/19
Shaw not even in England squad again. United's player of the year.
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