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posted on 16/5/19

No not at all, I don't particularly like comparing players like this anyway because there are so many different variables to the game, what I am saying is that "assists" is a flawed stat that shouldn't be used when comparing the quality of one player to another, assists is completely dependant on another player scoring the chance, if your going on goals scored at least its directly talking about the player whos scored and nothing else.

posted on 16/5/19

Nobody disputes it’s a flawed stat, but that doesn’t make it meaningless. Grey areas exist.

posted on 16/5/19

comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 2 hours, 42 minutes ago
I saw next to vvd recently a new stat of not being dribbled past, when did that get made up?
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Whenever somebody went a full season without being dribbled past.

comment by sandy (U20567)

posted on 16/5/19

OP

I agree assists have only come into the modern game. Goals were the only thing to judge midfielders, strikers on for about 120 years.

posted on 16/5/19

what about the assist before the assist!

posted on 16/5/19

Wouldn't say it's completely pointless. If you look at the assists table at the end of a season it's no coincidence that generally the most creative players come out on top.

I do agree that people pay far too much attention to them though.

posted on 16/5/19

All stats are useless for fans, we do not have the context. Better just to watch, I did an article on it, but few agree, don't know why.
When you watched, Roy or Becks or Giggs you didn't need stats to know they were good, what they could do.

posted on 16/5/19

I think the one that annoys me the most is when people use "tackles per game" as a way to judge a centre back/defensive mid. Complete nonsense.

posted on 16/5/19

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 7 minutes ago
I think the one that annoys me the most is when people use "tackles per game" as a way to judge a centre back/defensive mid. Complete nonsense.
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It's true. Stats like that need the context behind the teams they play for and the style the team plays.

posted on 16/5/19

But the problem isn’t the stats themselves, but how people are using them for their judgement/justification. That’s just a problem of football fans.

posted on 16/5/19

Assists create goals of course its relevant.

It's not the most important stat but to dismiss it entirely makes no sense.

posted on 16/5/19

No, it's not relevant unless you have all the context, which we don't.
Winger À is one of the best, beats his man regularly, sends over a stream of good crosses which the donkey in the middle makes a hash of.
Winger B hardly ever beats his man, but just hoofs it in the middle, where RVP or equivalent converts dross to gold, giving winger B many more assists over the season.

posted on 16/5/19

But that doesn’t make the assist stat itself irrelevant.

I’m not even that big a fan of stats myself. I think we are oversaturated with them in football nowadays, and some do place far too much importance on them, but that doesn’t make them irrelevant or pointless - they quite clearly serve a purpose, and statistical analysis is a fundamental part of scouting nowadays.

posted on 16/5/19

I said they're irrelevant to fans, and I believe that. Unless you are Hafi how on earth can it increase your enjoyment of football knowing player A had more assists than player B, especially as we don't know all the factors involved. Watching the players tell us all we need to know.

posted on 16/5/19

Quite clearly they aren’t irrelevant to fans, we wouldn't be having this discussion otherwise.

posted on 16/5/19

15 posters does not really show relevance

posted on 16/5/19

Well it shows it’s relevant to some, so yes it does.

comment by Rouge (U19907)

posted on 17/5/19

Ye lets ignore Trents assist record. Irrelevant

posted on 17/5/19

Yes Rouge it is irrelevant. If he played for a team other than Liverpool, with worse players in attack, his assists would be much worse despite him being the same player.
Yet the fans of that team would all know just how good he was. It's the ultimate team game, each player impacts on other players and therefore their stats.

posted on 17/5/19

By that logic goal stats are irrelevant.

posted on 17/5/19

It is logical and they are. There have been many strikers with great records at one club who flop at another. We've had some in the past, Gary Birtles comes to mind, but there have been plenty more and at other teams.

posted on 17/5/19

Yeah and they are usually judged as flops because their goal stats aren’t sufficient.

posted on 17/5/19

Bit they were bought because their goal stats were.

posted on 17/5/19

Meaning goal stats are relevant. We got there in the end.

posted on 17/5/19

No it means there stats were only good in one team, not the second, so irrelevant in football terms. Relevant in getting a good price though.
Plus at the commencement of this I did say stats are only good if you have all the context. For fans they are useless.

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