In my opinion the best cheque book manager in the world. I do think he can do it with a lesser team but that remains to be seen.
comment by Desperate Dier (U6468)
posted 9 minutes ago
In my opinion the best cheque book manager in the world. I do think he can do it with a lesser team but that remains to be seen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cheque book manager is probably unfair. Best manager of top players.
Would be tougher for him with a lesser team but Pep is a class manager.
A man ahead of his time not just by of his tactical nous but how he galvanizes his charges to buy into his obsession for football perfection.
I genuinely don’t understand this point.
Across all walks of life people build up their reputation and in turn their careers. The goal Being to get to the higher level and be successful at that level.
The underlying principle of that being that if you can succeed at the highest level then you have “made it”.
I think the reason why this is a talking point for Pep is because he started his management at the highest level. But he has been successful at that level. So why would he take a step down? What would be the point? To earn a place at the higher level again? A level he has proved he can already operate at?
It’s all relative anyway. If he did drop down a leven, then what would be regarded as being successful at that level? Bringing a mid-table team into the European places? Or saving a relegation level team from relegation? Of dropping down a division and managing a team to promotion?
Those are different challenges of course. Should Ferguson have taken on a second tier club just to prove that he could get them promoted and thus succeed at that level?
He’ll end up back coaching youth players and there will
be a generation of coaches that will speak about him the same way he does about Cruyff (a lot are already). That will be his main legacy.
He’ll go to a few more countries before doing that though and he absolutely should go to the best club possible each time he does it.
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.
Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.
Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
When he has shown that he can do it at the best clubs, and the best clubs want him, he’ll go to the best clubs.
The insinuation here is that it’s harder the lower down you go.
That insinuation doesn’t stack up.
If it did, then the best clubs wouldn’t require the best managers paying them the most money.
i personally prefer klopp as a manager and I have always said so and this is not to say I necessarily think klopp is better.
i remember posting this article before we sign jose and pep officially joined city. I felt we could simply not afford to let him join city no matter the cost. If only we had put in as much fight as we did getting sanches away from city
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/330271
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/330271
comment by Boris 'Fourmidable’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.
Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.
Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a jibe used by supporters of clubs nearer mid table in points than they are to City. Pathetic really.
If I were CEO of a major supermarket, I wouldn't feel I had to take a corner shop to retail heaven in order to prove I'm decent at my job. Don't get the relevance?
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Fourmidable’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.
Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.
Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a jibe used by supporters of clubs nearer mid table in points than they are to City. Pathetic really.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. The cheque manager is earned when you spend £50m in each of the back four positions. Buy an expensive goalkeeper and then replace him immediately next season. You also have a bench valued at more than most teams.
So the comment is well deserved. However, saying that Guardiola is still a quality manager. For me he is the difference between great and elite. His style of play can't be replicated with poor players but neither can managers copy it. Unique position.
Spoken like a true plastic
Money = Success.
NEXT.
If you were given a company to run and told you must succeed but you could have the best machines and materials would you prefer to buy poorer quality ?
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bayern Munich just won a treble the season before Pep took over
Pep will probably go down as the greatest of all time. I think he will eventually win the CL with City most likely along with other trophies, perhaps a quadruple.
I don't think we've heard the last of all this FFP situation. Whether you agree with the rules or not, they are there and it looks like they are repeatedly being broken by City. It shouldn't have a reflection on Pep's legacy but it might.
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bayern Munich just won a treble the season before Pep took over
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you think BH is a better or worse club than Barca?
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bayern Munich just won a treble the season before Pep took over
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How many times did Bayern win the treble before and after Pep?
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Pep will probably go down as the greatest of all time. I think he will eventually win the CL with City most likely along with other trophies, perhaps a quadruple.
I don't think we've heard the last of all this FFP situation. Whether you agree with the rules or not, they are there and it looks like they are repeatedly being broken by City. It shouldn't have a reflection on Pep's legacy but it might.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We did not repeatedly broke FFP.
The case being reviewed relates to the same 2013 season for which we have already been punised.
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Fourmidable’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.
Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.
Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a jibe used by supporters of clubs nearer mid table in points than they are to City. Pathetic really.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. The cheque manager is earned when you spend £50m in each of the back four positions. Buy an expensive goalkeeper and then replace him immediately next season. You also have a bench valued at more than most teams.
So the comment is well deserved. However, saying that Guardiola is still a quality manager. For me he is the difference between great and elite. His style of play can't be replicated with poor players but neither can managers copy it. Unique position.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at it this way:
For one Pogba and Lukaku, you can get Ederson, Laporte, Walker & Stones.
Its called smart investment.
Think Pep was brought into BH to refresh their thinking which is why they started to do global searches for young players. Think the Sane approach is a backlash from Der Spiegel and others about German players being overlooked. However BH have also suffered from other German clubs not wanting to sell to them and make them stronger, something that happens in the prem except funnily enough Arsenal seem quite happy to do this or run down contracts.
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club.
———
Are you kidding?
Ok Ed what would your pecking order be of the 3 clubs mentioned?
Pep reminds me of Wenger when he first arrived, simply way ahead of his peers but not well understood by the environment and culture in which he would work in.
Remember Neville banged on about how small technical players wouldn't make it in the domestic game. His methods are also difficult to replicate especially without good players
Obviously Pep is way better than Wenger but that single mindedness to do things their own way.Klopp is another but the difference between Klopp and Pep is the winning mentality.I just feel Pep demands more and subsequently gets more.Obviously Peps methods are not as sustainable as Klopps but like Fergie Klopp wont win as many trophies as Pep, or Mourinho, thats just obvious
Klopp is willing to grow teams organically the same way Wenger did.
Why does the pecking order matter? They aren’t lower clubs.
Not that Pep should take a lower club, he’s proven himself at the elite level.
It’s actually incredible the consistency his teams have. At all of Barca, Bayern and City he’s had his teams post totals in the 90’s or close to (and it’s equivalent in Germany) in all but his first season at City.
It’s just ridiculous the level he gets his team playing at.
Sign in if you want to comment
Guardiola
Page 1 of 2
posted on 20/5/19
In my opinion the best cheque book manager in the world. I do think he can do it with a lesser team but that remains to be seen.
posted on 20/5/19
comment by Desperate Dier (U6468)
posted 9 minutes ago
In my opinion the best cheque book manager in the world. I do think he can do it with a lesser team but that remains to be seen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Cheque book manager is probably unfair. Best manager of top players.
posted on 20/5/19
Would be tougher for him with a lesser team but Pep is a class manager.
A man ahead of his time not just by of his tactical nous but how he galvanizes his charges to buy into his obsession for football perfection.
posted on 20/5/19
I genuinely don’t understand this point.
Across all walks of life people build up their reputation and in turn their careers. The goal Being to get to the higher level and be successful at that level.
The underlying principle of that being that if you can succeed at the highest level then you have “made it”.
I think the reason why this is a talking point for Pep is because he started his management at the highest level. But he has been successful at that level. So why would he take a step down? What would be the point? To earn a place at the higher level again? A level he has proved he can already operate at?
It’s all relative anyway. If he did drop down a leven, then what would be regarded as being successful at that level? Bringing a mid-table team into the European places? Or saving a relegation level team from relegation? Of dropping down a division and managing a team to promotion?
Those are different challenges of course. Should Ferguson have taken on a second tier club just to prove that he could get them promoted and thus succeed at that level?
posted on 20/5/19
He’ll end up back coaching youth players and there will
be a generation of coaches that will speak about him the same way he does about Cruyff (a lot are already). That will be his main legacy.
He’ll go to a few more countries before doing that though and he absolutely should go to the best club possible each time he does it.
posted on 20/5/19
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.
Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.
Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
posted on 20/5/19
When he has shown that he can do it at the best clubs, and the best clubs want him, he’ll go to the best clubs.
The insinuation here is that it’s harder the lower down you go.
That insinuation doesn’t stack up.
If it did, then the best clubs wouldn’t require the best managers paying them the most money.
posted on 20/5/19
i personally prefer klopp as a manager and I have always said so and this is not to say I necessarily think klopp is better.
i remember posting this article before we sign jose and pep officially joined city. I felt we could simply not afford to let him join city no matter the cost. If only we had put in as much fight as we did getting sanches away from city
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/330271
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/330271
posted on 20/5/19
comment by Boris 'Fourmidable’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.
Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.
Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a jibe used by supporters of clubs nearer mid table in points than they are to City. Pathetic really.
posted on 21/5/19
If I were CEO of a major supermarket, I wouldn't feel I had to take a corner shop to retail heaven in order to prove I'm decent at my job. Don't get the relevance?
posted on 21/5/19
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Fourmidable’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.
Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.
Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a jibe used by supporters of clubs nearer mid table in points than they are to City. Pathetic really.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. The cheque manager is earned when you spend £50m in each of the back four positions. Buy an expensive goalkeeper and then replace him immediately next season. You also have a bench valued at more than most teams.
So the comment is well deserved. However, saying that Guardiola is still a quality manager. For me he is the difference between great and elite. His style of play can't be replicated with poor players but neither can managers copy it. Unique position.
posted on 21/5/19
Spoken like a true plastic
Money = Success.
NEXT.
posted on 21/5/19
If you were given a company to run and told you must succeed but you could have the best machines and materials would you prefer to buy poorer quality ?
posted on 21/5/19
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
posted on 21/5/19
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bayern Munich just won a treble the season before Pep took over
posted on 21/5/19
Pep will probably go down as the greatest of all time. I think he will eventually win the CL with City most likely along with other trophies, perhaps a quadruple.
I don't think we've heard the last of all this FFP situation. Whether you agree with the rules or not, they are there and it looks like they are repeatedly being broken by City. It shouldn't have a reflection on Pep's legacy but it might.
posted on 21/5/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bayern Munich just won a treble the season before Pep took over
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you think BH is a better or worse club than Barca?
posted on 21/5/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by LEE1PEN (U6707)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club. Barca and their achievements are well above BM and he left Barca to try and improve BM. Similarly at the time he left BM's achievements were above City and their achievements.
By man management of the players and judicial transfer dealing did he Improve those 2 clubs?Definitely not maybe.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bayern Munich just won a treble the season before Pep took over
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How many times did Bayern win the treble before and after Pep?
posted on 21/5/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Pep will probably go down as the greatest of all time. I think he will eventually win the CL with City most likely along with other trophies, perhaps a quadruple.
I don't think we've heard the last of all this FFP situation. Whether you agree with the rules or not, they are there and it looks like they are repeatedly being broken by City. It shouldn't have a reflection on Pep's legacy but it might.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We did not repeatedly broke FFP.
The case being reviewed relates to the same 2013 season for which we have already been punised.
posted on 21/5/19
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 3 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Fourmidable’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Don't get the 'chequebook manager' jibe.
Sane and Bernardo must have doubled in value under his guidance.
Zinchenko cost £1.5m, Foden cost nothing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its a jibe used by supporters of clubs nearer mid table in points than they are to City. Pathetic really.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. The cheque manager is earned when you spend £50m in each of the back four positions. Buy an expensive goalkeeper and then replace him immediately next season. You also have a bench valued at more than most teams.
So the comment is well deserved. However, saying that Guardiola is still a quality manager. For me he is the difference between great and elite. His style of play can't be replicated with poor players but neither can managers copy it. Unique position.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at it this way:
For one Pogba and Lukaku, you can get Ederson, Laporte, Walker & Stones.
Its called smart investment.
posted on 21/5/19
Think Pep was brought into BH to refresh their thinking which is why they started to do global searches for young players. Think the Sane approach is a backlash from Der Spiegel and others about German players being overlooked. However BH have also suffered from other German clubs not wanting to sell to them and make them stronger, something that happens in the prem except funnily enough Arsenal seem quite happy to do this or run down contracts.
posted on 21/5/19
Actually the original premise is wrong about him not taking a lower club.
———
Are you kidding?
posted on 21/5/19
Ok Ed what would your pecking order be of the 3 clubs mentioned?
posted on 21/5/19
Pep reminds me of Wenger when he first arrived, simply way ahead of his peers but not well understood by the environment and culture in which he would work in.
Remember Neville banged on about how small technical players wouldn't make it in the domestic game. His methods are also difficult to replicate especially without good players
Obviously Pep is way better than Wenger but that single mindedness to do things their own way.Klopp is another but the difference between Klopp and Pep is the winning mentality.I just feel Pep demands more and subsequently gets more.Obviously Peps methods are not as sustainable as Klopps but like Fergie Klopp wont win as many trophies as Pep, or Mourinho, thats just obvious
Klopp is willing to grow teams organically the same way Wenger did.
posted on 21/5/19
Why does the pecking order matter? They aren’t lower clubs.
Not that Pep should take a lower club, he’s proven himself at the elite level.
It’s actually incredible the consistency his teams have. At all of Barca, Bayern and City he’s had his teams post totals in the 90’s or close to (and it’s equivalent in Germany) in all but his first season at City.
It’s just ridiculous the level he gets his team playing at.
Page 1 of 2