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posted on 22/5/19

Credit to Liverpool

Fark City

posted on 22/5/19

You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

posted on 22/5/19

Leave City out of your problem OP.

posted on 22/5/19

problems*

posted on 22/5/19

He's crying about it because they threaten the Spanish clubs.

Football would be much more stale without these clubs shaking up the established clubs over the years.

If he wants to be taken seriously a worldwide football salary cap and bring budgets down to a level where all teams in a league can compete.

posted on 22/5/19

Fash I agree with paragraph 1 but not 2.

It can easily be that football would be more electric without PSG and City utterly dominating and winning the league every year.

The title run ins would be awesome.

posted on 22/5/19

PSG. What can be said about them and their position in football? Based in a country and having financial clout that results in them winning each game each season, on and on. Proclaimed League champions within the first third of their season.

How exciting!

It makes even the Scottish PL seem more competitive.

Then they play in the CL. Oh dear. Even United can beat them, and that's not a dig at United, bearing in mind their own situation.

City. Fantastic team, no question, worthy winners of the PL. Again.

Last season, romped on to win with 100 points, nearest rival United (manusince I am not having a dig!) second. This season, as we all know, 1.

So you end up having two contrasting outcomes. In France, one team and one team only in it from the start to the end. Here, a fight till the very last game.

Solution, if one is needed? It all depends on the ambition of other clubs in the respective leagues. If they spend, wisely - I know, look no further than Fulham - then they can make a game of it.

For me, FFP must be adhered to, or the clubs involved must suffer the penalty.

That could well mean that next season, there's no City and/or PSG in the CL.

posted on 22/5/19

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posted 19 minutes ago
Fash I agree with paragraph 1 but not 2.

It can easily be that football would be more electric without PSG and City utterly dominating and winning the league every year.

The title run ins would be awesome.
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History would suggest otherwise.

Even without these oil clubs we had long periods of domination by certain clubs in lots of countries.

Both Liverpool and Manchester United have had long periods of domination in England, it's fresher for City to have one than United to have another would be my point.

If nobody invests heavily in Italy for example Juventus will strangle the competition for a long time. We need fresh money to invest in the game to stop the biggest clubs dominating.

posted on 22/5/19

The Spanish league should be the last ones to talk with the way Real & Barca monopolise the league.

comment by Naby8 (U6997)

posted on 22/5/19

It’s incredibly difficult to keep money out of football because it generates so damn much of it.

Honestly, I don’t have a massive problem with any of the new super clubs. At least the owners are putting money into football, that’s better than the leveraged buy outs that seek to make money out of the clubs they buy and occasionally leave them in tatters.

The origins of money, would it bother me if I were a Chelsea/City/PSG fan? I’d like to think so but history has proved fans sell their judgements for a trophy or two, not convinced I’d be any different tbh.

posted on 22/5/19

I forgot about the other side of the money coin: taking money out.

Remember Butch and Sundance? LFC Days away from administration? Club in managerial/financial tatters?

posted on 22/5/19

I don't actually mind what City's owners are doing there. It's not like they've come in, stuck 11 quality footballers on a pitch and said "right, let's just win trophies". They've invested not only in the club but the wider community as a whole. They've built superb, modern facilities in which young talent can thrive and maximise their development in the game. It will take time but City will eventually start churning out stars of the future from that academy, many of them English.

Yeah they should be punished if they've broken rules, but those rules are a bit daft to begin with tbh.

posted on 22/5/19

HB, you make a lot of sense.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 22/5/19

comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
I don't actually mind what City's owners are doing there. It's not like they've come in, stuck 11 quality footballers on a pitch and said "right, let's just win trophies". They've invested not only in the club but the wider community as a whole. They've built superb, modern facilities in which young talent can thrive and maximise their development in the game. It will take time but City will eventually start churning out stars of the future from that academy, many of them English.

Yeah they should be punished if they've broken rules, but those rules are a bit daft to begin with tbh.
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Sometimes, when you read some posts, you get the iimpression that City is a serial cheat bent on undermining the competition through illegal means.

The reality though, is that we are being investigated for the same breach that happened in 2014. They are simply stating that we did not provide full information regarding the source of some sponsorship deal.

Nothing new.

We have complied with FFP ever since. That was why UEFA returned £39m portion of the fine back to us.

Etihad deal today is less than 10% of our total revenue.

But I understand why opposition fans chose to run with the "cheat" narrative.
Just a stick to beat City off the pitch.

posted on 22/5/19

comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 24 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

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posted on 22/5/19

Some things correctly said, but by the wrong person. The money now means clubs from small provincial towns have no chance of ever competing at the top without a sugar daddy. Which is a shame. Cities have always had the most money, larger population equals more supporters, but it wasn't black and white, a Clough could get Derby winning the title, I don't see that happening again.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 22/5/19

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
Some things correctly said, but by the wrong person. The money now means clubs from small provincial towns have no chance of ever competing at the top without a sugar daddy. Which is a shame. Cities have always had the most money, larger population equals more supporters, but it wasn't black and white, a Clough could get Derby winning the title, I don't see that happening again.
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But Clough also spent big at the time before he went on to win things.

There is no magic formula. If you have good players, you improve your chances of winning. But good players are rare and hence, expensive.

posted on 22/5/19

He spent big at Forest but not so much at Derby as I remember, which I probably don't. Only really remember Colin Todd costing much.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 22/5/19

comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

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Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.

posted on 22/5/19

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

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Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.
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Yeah, they were that smart, they now face being excluded from world footballs premier club competition.
Very clever indeed.

posted on 22/5/19

Couldnt give a fack about the Spanish clubs crying that now they cant compete and tap up the best players alone. Now teams are bending them over and shafting them whilst PSG are signing their top stars and PSG and City can buy who they want because money talks.

Honestly as unfair as it may be at times they were not the first and wont be the last and if theres some joy to take out of them its for moments like this . Bit funny the corrupt UEFA complaining about and investigating corruption too.

comment by mancini (U7179)

posted on 22/5/19

comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

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Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, they were that smart, they now face being excluded from world footballs premier club competition.
Very clever indeed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, lets pray and hope Liverpool's emails are hacked and revealed next.
Then at least we will all get to see how pure Liverpool are.
Remember the explanation your club gave UEFA after you failed FFP in 2014? It may not be over yet you know.

posted on 22/5/19

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 hours, 39 minutes ago
You've started out on one topic and ended up on an entirely different one.

Us and next season.

The topic you started on was city and PSG.

My view on this is the following:

Juventus 7 wins and counting?
Bayern 7 wins?
Barca 4 out of last 5 la ligas, And of course add real and the little has been won once in last 10/15 years by someone else
PSg 6/7 titles in last 8 years.. fair play monaco i suppose.

The reality is all the top leagues have been dominated by one or two clubs.

It was Utd, then cheslea, then utd and now city. Over allong long time with just a couple of arsneal seasons in there.

the RICH dominate. So FFP is not about oil money. Its actually about the rich staying rich. FFP IN THEORY should prevent a wolves, in theory. but it doesn't.

What's happening at wolves with chinese owners but a certain agent all over it funnelling his players in and taking out fees is corrupt imo. Others may not agree.

City have a very special set of circumstances where sponsorship deals magically appear through no effort on the part of the club to circumvent the rules.

LFC have worked for now 9 years to build up from where we were at after G&H were turfed out by the banks. 9 years... to build a sustainable revenue stream to support our team. where we built a stand off admittedly a very low interest loan form owners but have paid that back openly and its all there in black and white.

We then get wums throwing we are just as bad as city in our faces.

City have indeed made a mockery of the rules and as such should be punished.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sponsorship from the UAE accounts for less than 10% of our revenue.

Maybe you can go ask all the other non UAE sponsors about their deals with City.
Don't know which club you support but I can bet if we dig up a little bit into you club's sponsorship deals, some can be traced to your owners as well.

If you hire smart people, they usually deliver. City hired smart people to run the club and hence, they are delivering.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, they were that smart, they now face being excluded from world footballs premier club competition.
Very clever indeed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, lets pray and hope Liverpool's emails are hacked and revealed next.
Then at least we will all get to see how pure Liverpool are.
Remember the explanation your club gave UEFA after you failed FFP in 2014? It may not be over yet you know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

posted on 22/5/19

History would suggest otherwise.

Even without these oil clubs we had long periods of domination by certain clubs in lots of countries.

Both Liverpool and Manchester United have had long periods of domination in England, it's fresher for City to have one than United to have another would be my point.

If nobody invests heavily in Italy for example Juventus will strangle the competition for a long time. We need fresh money to invest in the game to stop the biggest clubs dominating.
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One huge problem is that its not a true sport if one team has to work for 9 years (like Liverpool) and another team can just be state/oil funded and become a better team after a few transfer windows.

While City were flouting FFP, Liverpool were making annual losses thanks the the cowboys. Our new owners are rich enough to have done what City did but they didn't so no excuses there.

In addition to this, the investment argument is moot and a bit funny to me. They could have invested in the area without doping up their club. Are you saying its OK to dope up the club if you improve the surrounding area? Sounds like an excuse to me.

Finally, I understand fans might want to see a different club winning but that's another moot argument.

You can't replace a dominating tea by creating and even more ferocious dominating team. I mean, what are you aiming to accomplish?

If you go to Italy and dope up one team so that they outdo Juventus, the resulting team will be better than Juve (who were already dominating) whereas the rest of the league will remain the same. So you will be in for even more and worse domination.

We are already seeing that. No team has ever won the domestic treble since football began in 1992. City will be confident they can do it again next year.

I honestly think that a lot of fans allow their dislike of Liverpool and United or "the big clubs" to cloud their judgment and convince themselves "well at least they invested".

Investment is great when limited to infrastructure but football is unique and should be protected and change should be controlled IMO.

posted on 22/5/19

Furthermore, Liverpool never "failed" FFP. We had to explain our losses of 50m which was down to writing off stadium debts caused by the cowboys.

Seeing as stadium finances are exempt to FFP, they had to accept our explanation.

At the same time, City were forging sponsorships and taking oil money under the table so its not the same thing.

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