My union Nipsa is leave and hard left.
We went on strike twice against a paramilitary threat to a colleague, which turned out to be the colleague spoofing to get a move...And second time for public sector rights and pay.
These are not EDL or dup folk but Thursday I would vote Corbyn for being against the capitalist Brussels elite
Yet the left on this forum are the cheerleaders for the eu experiment??
Corbyn and the left did not vote with Kate hoey on the eurosceptic benches for decades by accident.
The eu has left right and nationalist questions to answer...not just Farage or Boris
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Tbbab, is used to the never never never no no no sectarian head count. Unfortunatley for him no no no is coming from the EU. Tbabb should have engaged his brain before voting. Don't be like Tbbab. Be clever.
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comment by Aye, OK, its Subs - what's the fvkkin point!? (U5683)
posted 21 hours, 29 minutes ago
Folks voted with heir conscience and heart as well as their head. That happens every election.
Unfortunately the referendum was, in big part, politics of hate vs fear, with little actual objective fact from either side.
Doesn't matter tbh, - pretty much the only way no deal happens now is via another referendum with that clearly on the ticket (which, like it or not, it certainly wasn't in 2016).
Trouble is, to get that they have to risk revoke 50 winning out as the other side of the ticket.
Parliament has already proven it won't permit no-deal - only way round that is to go round parliament. Or have a GE and hope the numbers come back significantly differently in favour of it (unlikely but possible)
I don't want no deal, but that's irrelevant anyway too. Without a clear mandate, parliament won't permit it anyway.
What should have happened is something based on a softer Brexit that parliament could get behind (Even Farage cited Norway in 2016). May's incompetence and arrogance kyboshed that form the off.
I'm no huge fan of the EU - becoming even less us as I see the rising influence of the populist right begin to entrench and exert its-self. BUT I'm not about to endorse plunging poor folk into even worse abject misery by tanking our economy, or giving cause to bampots in NI to restart the troubles. There are ways to leave, and I'm ok with some of them - no deal is just fvcking nuts though. Just thankful coincidence most MPs agree with me on that.
The swivel eyed brigade need to grow up and realise they ain't getting what they want. TBH they don't deserve it. If they had been grown up about things in 16 then they might have gotten a better position they didn't though. Instead, sugar coating the unpalatable sides of leaving with notions of getting good deals because of VW and Mercedes n'natno - and an ill-informed electorate, swallowed it.
So now they are faced with realistically having to risk losing everything to try and get what they want.
Probably as it should be, on reflection - but May wasted years. Because, as always, she and her tory cvnts looked inward and put party before country and themselves before party. Cvnts
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Good post buddy.
I voted with heart as much as head and a couple of years ago began to ask..what is the brexit economic plan after leave, and so I started putting forward the idea of a vote on the Final deal....not a second ref.
I have become so bemused by the May team and the WA deal that I openly said remain is better than this WA where we pay in with no say and do not even leave.
Remain and reform is the way ahead.
As I also put forward, the wider left has been eurosceptic too, not just the so called swivel eyed right and Tories...my union and Corbyn and Galloway and the hard left and millions of Labour voters support brexit.
Well done on the treble btw.
comment by Aye, OK, its Subs - what's the fvkkin point!? (U5683)
posted 1 day, 10 hours ago
You're missing the point.
It is utterly irrelevant what you want or I want.
Parliament is sovereign and holds the decision making power. End of story. Folks won't like that. Irrelevant.
And there us no parliamentary majority for no deal (jezuz its the only thing there has been any majority for in this whole cluster fvck is stating it's not on). A new cvnt in chief won't change that.
We're not leaving without a deal. Unless a specific mandate for that forces the issue or the parliamentary arithmetic changes.
This idea that default is no deal is true only in so far as it's the current position. It was the default for 29th March too. Nothing happened. Parliament will change that before it happens. So beyond soundbites it is meaningless.
Carry on debating all you like but as matters stand no deal is a dead duck. You need to face that fact.
29th March should have taught you that. The true default is further extension.
Mays deal is dead. No Deal won't happen. So we're staying in by default unless and until the status quo is changed. That means a softer deal or a direct mandate to leave with no deal, or not.
I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm not comfortable with the 2016 referendum result being frustrated. But it is nevertheless what will continue to happen.
Hard brexit just doesn't have the necessary parliamentary numbers. Mays biggest mistake was not recognising that fact in 2017.
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Not sure this was for ging or myself.
Can't speak for ging, but if as a reluctant remainer you hsve the idea I am advocating no deal or saying it will certainly happen, this is not true.
No deal may or may not happen and at this stage it is leave proper, coke not diet coke, but not my idea or goal.
I accepted a very soft brexit and I realise what we want does not matter...you say our view is irrelevant and that is partially true, but you then asert parl sovereignty is key and the arithmetic in parl...who puts them there?
The new Tory leader Can change parl arithmetic as they could lead and persuade Tories who were not inspired by May...Remember Boris and Gove and even Mogg backed the WA, so people can change their views. Therefore parl numbers are not static and a new Tory leader could alter the maths in parl.
Interesting times, and I think down the line we will see England going away from the rest of the UK, perhaps with Wales,
Scotland could go Indy and NI could become part of a British Irish federal state.
It is all fascinating for us political animals and the good thing is we debate and do not fight and welcome that.
After so much violence in the twentieth century, in these islands and Europe and Africa and Vietnam and Russia and India, at least we are talking and not shooting.
Sadly, the middle East is still in turmoil, and I always hold back from western intervention there, so that is one area of failure, alongside climate change and threats to the planet and nature and wildlife and ourselves.
Peace.🙏
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posted on 24/5/19
Sweet one for the ton.
posted on 24/5/19
My union Nipsa is leave and hard left.
We went on strike twice against a paramilitary threat to a colleague, which turned out to be the colleague spoofing to get a move...And second time for public sector rights and pay.
These are not EDL or dup folk but Thursday I would vote Corbyn for being against the capitalist Brussels elite
Yet the left on this forum are the cheerleaders for the eu experiment??
Corbyn and the left did not vote with Kate hoey on the eurosceptic benches for decades by accident.
The eu has left right and nationalist questions to answer...not just Farage or Boris
posted on 25/5/19
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posted on 25/5/19
Tbbab, is used to the never never never no no no sectarian head count. Unfortunatley for him no no no is coming from the EU. Tbabb should have engaged his brain before voting. Don't be like Tbbab. Be clever.
posted on 25/5/19
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posted on 26/5/19
comment by Aye, OK, its Subs - what's the fvkkin point!? (U5683)
posted 21 hours, 29 minutes ago
Folks voted with heir conscience and heart as well as their head. That happens every election.
Unfortunately the referendum was, in big part, politics of hate vs fear, with little actual objective fact from either side.
Doesn't matter tbh, - pretty much the only way no deal happens now is via another referendum with that clearly on the ticket (which, like it or not, it certainly wasn't in 2016).
Trouble is, to get that they have to risk revoke 50 winning out as the other side of the ticket.
Parliament has already proven it won't permit no-deal - only way round that is to go round parliament. Or have a GE and hope the numbers come back significantly differently in favour of it (unlikely but possible)
I don't want no deal, but that's irrelevant anyway too. Without a clear mandate, parliament won't permit it anyway.
What should have happened is something based on a softer Brexit that parliament could get behind (Even Farage cited Norway in 2016). May's incompetence and arrogance kyboshed that form the off.
I'm no huge fan of the EU - becoming even less us as I see the rising influence of the populist right begin to entrench and exert its-self. BUT I'm not about to endorse plunging poor folk into even worse abject misery by tanking our economy, or giving cause to bampots in NI to restart the troubles. There are ways to leave, and I'm ok with some of them - no deal is just fvcking nuts though. Just thankful coincidence most MPs agree with me on that.
The swivel eyed brigade need to grow up and realise they ain't getting what they want. TBH they don't deserve it. If they had been grown up about things in 16 then they might have gotten a better position they didn't though. Instead, sugar coating the unpalatable sides of leaving with notions of getting good deals because of VW and Mercedes n'natno - and an ill-informed electorate, swallowed it.
So now they are faced with realistically having to risk losing everything to try and get what they want.
Probably as it should be, on reflection - but May wasted years. Because, as always, she and her tory cvnts looked inward and put party before country and themselves before party. Cvnts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good post buddy.
I voted with heart as much as head and a couple of years ago began to ask..what is the brexit economic plan after leave, and so I started putting forward the idea of a vote on the Final deal....not a second ref.
I have become so bemused by the May team and the WA deal that I openly said remain is better than this WA where we pay in with no say and do not even leave.
Remain and reform is the way ahead.
As I also put forward, the wider left has been eurosceptic too, not just the so called swivel eyed right and Tories...my union and Corbyn and Galloway and the hard left and millions of Labour voters support brexit.
Well done on the treble btw.
posted on 26/5/19
comment by Aye, OK, its Subs - what's the fvkkin point!? (U5683)
posted 1 day, 10 hours ago
You're missing the point.
It is utterly irrelevant what you want or I want.
Parliament is sovereign and holds the decision making power. End of story. Folks won't like that. Irrelevant.
And there us no parliamentary majority for no deal (jezuz its the only thing there has been any majority for in this whole cluster fvck is stating it's not on). A new cvnt in chief won't change that.
We're not leaving without a deal. Unless a specific mandate for that forces the issue or the parliamentary arithmetic changes.
This idea that default is no deal is true only in so far as it's the current position. It was the default for 29th March too. Nothing happened. Parliament will change that before it happens. So beyond soundbites it is meaningless.
Carry on debating all you like but as matters stand no deal is a dead duck. You need to face that fact.
29th March should have taught you that. The true default is further extension.
Mays deal is dead. No Deal won't happen. So we're staying in by default unless and until the status quo is changed. That means a softer deal or a direct mandate to leave with no deal, or not.
I'm not saying that's a good thing. I'm not comfortable with the 2016 referendum result being frustrated. But it is nevertheless what will continue to happen.
Hard brexit just doesn't have the necessary parliamentary numbers. Mays biggest mistake was not recognising that fact in 2017.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure this was for ging or myself.
Can't speak for ging, but if as a reluctant remainer you hsve the idea I am advocating no deal or saying it will certainly happen, this is not true.
No deal may or may not happen and at this stage it is leave proper, coke not diet coke, but not my idea or goal.
I accepted a very soft brexit and I realise what we want does not matter...you say our view is irrelevant and that is partially true, but you then asert parl sovereignty is key and the arithmetic in parl...who puts them there?
The new Tory leader Can change parl arithmetic as they could lead and persuade Tories who were not inspired by May...Remember Boris and Gove and even Mogg backed the WA, so people can change their views. Therefore parl numbers are not static and a new Tory leader could alter the maths in parl.
Interesting times, and I think down the line we will see England going away from the rest of the UK, perhaps with Wales,
Scotland could go Indy and NI could become part of a British Irish federal state.
It is all fascinating for us political animals and the good thing is we debate and do not fight and welcome that.
After so much violence in the twentieth century, in these islands and Europe and Africa and Vietnam and Russia and India, at least we are talking and not shooting.
Sadly, the middle East is still in turmoil, and I always hold back from western intervention there, so that is one area of failure, alongside climate change and threats to the planet and nature and wildlife and ourselves.
Peace.🙏
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